BMI Sucks (technical term, yo)

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baisleac
baisleac Posts: 2,019 Member
edited September 2024 in Health and Weight Loss
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106268439

Americans keep putting on the pounds — at least according to a report released this week from the Trust for America's Health. The study found that nearly two-thirds of states now have adult obesity rates above 25 percent.

But you may want to take those findings — and your next meal — with a grain of salt, because they're based on a calculation called the body mass index, or BMI.

As the Weekend Edition math guy, I spoke to Scott Simon and told him the body mass index fails on 10 grounds:

1. The person who dreamed up the BMI said explicitly that it could not and should not be used to indicate the level of fatness in an individual.

The BMI was introduced in the early 19th century by a Belgian named Lambert Adolphe Jacques Quetelet. He was a mathematician, not a physician. He produced the formula to give a quick and easy way to measure the degree of obesity of the general population to assist the government in allocating resources. In other words, it is a 200-year-old hack.

2. It is scientifically nonsensical.

There is no physiological reason to square a person's height (Quetelet had to square the height to get a formula that matched the overall data. If you can't fix the data, rig the formula!). Moreover, it ignores waist size, which is a clear indicator of obesity level.

3. It is physiologically wrong.

It makes no allowance for the relative proportions of bone, muscle and fat in the body. But bone is denser than muscle and twice as dense as fat, so a person with strong bones, good muscle tone and low fat will have a high BMI. Thus, athletes and fit, health-conscious movie stars who work out a lot tend to find themselves classified as overweight or even obese.

4. It gets the logic wrong.

The CDC says on its Web site that "the BMI is a reliable indicator of body fatness for people." This is a fundamental error of logic. For example, if I tell you my birthday present is a bicycle, you can conclude that my present has wheels. That's correct logic. But it does not work the other way round. If I tell you my birthday present has wheels, you cannot conclude I got a bicycle. I could have received a car. Because of how Quetelet came up with it, if a person is fat or obese, he or she will have a high BMI. But as with my birthday present, it doesn't work the other way round. A high BMI does not mean an individual is even overweight, let alone obese. It could mean the person is fit and healthy, with very little fat.

5. It's bad statistics.

Because the majority of people today (and in Quetelet's time) lead fairly sedentary lives and are not particularly active, the formula tacitly assumes low muscle mass and high relative fat content. It applies moderately well when applied to such people because it was formulated by focusing on them. But it gives exactly the wrong answer for a large and significant section of the population, namely the lean, fit and healthy. Quetelet is also the person who came up with the idea of "the average man." That's a useful concept, but if you try to apply it to any one person, you come up with the absurdity of a person with 2.4 children. Averages measure entire populations and often don't apply to individuals.

6. It is lying by scientific authority.

Because the BMI is a single number between 1 and 100 (like a percentage) that comes from a mathematical formula, it carries an air of scientific authority. But it is mathematical snake oil.

7. It suggests there are distinct categories of underweight, ideal, overweight and obese, with sharp boundaries that hinge on a decimal place.

That's total nonsense.

8. It makes the more cynical members of society suspect that the medical insurance industry lobbies for the continued use of the BMI to keep their profits high.

Insurance companies sometimes charge higher premiums for people with a high BMI. Among such people are all those fit individuals with good bone and muscle and little fat, who will live long, healthy lives during which they will have to pay those greater premiums.

9. Continued reliance on the BMI means doctors don't feel the need to use one of the more scientifically sound methods that are available to measure obesity levels.

Those alternatives cost a little bit more, but they give far more reliable results.

10. It embarrasses the U.S.

It is embarrassing for one of the most scientifically, technologically and medicinally advanced nations in the world to base advice on how to prevent one of the leading causes of poor health and premature death (obesity) on a 200-year-old numerical hack developed by a mathematician who was not even an expert in what little was known about the human body back then.

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  • karensoxfan
    karensoxfan Posts: 902 Member
    Basically, BMI is a height/weight ratio measurement. It's absolutely not a one-size-fits-all tool for determining whether a person's weight is healthy, underweight, or overweight. But it IS a good general guideline for MOST people. It sucks if it's used inappropriately by insurance companies to charge inflated premiums for people who aren't really overweight, but otherwise, it's also pretty harmless IMO.
  • LarryPGH
    LarryPGH Posts: 349 Member
    On one hand, I've thought the same thing -- at 192 now (on the way down), I'm certainly more fit than I was at 192 on the way up, yet my BMI doesn't reflect this difference!

    On the other hand, as a general indicator, it does a good enough job: obese is obese, whether you use a micrometer or a yardstick to measure it; just don't get the idea that your yardstick measurement is incredibly precise...!

    The Halls MD take on BMI takes care of one of the problems -- the difference in activity levels, by changing the thresholds and their labels (ok, they also did it to be sensitive to folks not liking the names of the labels).

    Other, more accurate techniques are out there, but BMI seems to still have some value...
  • baisleac
    baisleac Posts: 2,019 Member
    It's not necessarily harmless. It gives a range that may not be healthy for many people.

    If someone has a large frame and tends to build/hold on to muscle more than "average" their healthy weight may be in the "overweight" range. If, however, they feel they have to get into the healthy BMI range they may harm their body trying to get there, because it's not right for them.

    Likewise, if someone has a small frame and finds it difficult to build/keep muscle, may think they're healthy simply because they're in the healthy BMI range. But they might actually be putting undue stress on their vital organs by carrying too much fat.
  • AnaNotBanana
    AnaNotBanana Posts: 963 Member
    I completely agree!!! At my last doctor's appointment at the end of April the doctor told me I needed to lose weight because he was looking at the BMI scale. I told him I had lost 50+ lbs and could run 3+ miles. He told me that I still needed to lose another 30 lbs. to be healthy. I think doctor's need to be careful when they just give you a blanket statement like that. They should look more closely at the person to determine what a "healthy" weight is.
  • bmontgomery87
    bmontgomery87 Posts: 1,260 Member
    I definately hate the BMI.

    When I get to my goal size, I'll be classified as overweight.


    It's totally inaccurate if you're athletic at all.
  • Huffdogg
    Huffdogg Posts: 1,934 Member
    It's not necessarily harmless. It gives a range that may not be healthy for many people.

    Just so. And my "ideal weight" according to BMI standards is like 158. At that weight I would look like a death camp survivor. Seriously. At 188 right now, I look healthy. Take another 30 pounds off of me, and I'd look freakish, not "ideal."
  • edorice
    edorice Posts: 4,519 Member
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  • Oishii
    Oishii Posts: 2,675 Member
    I can see the weaknesses of bmi round the normal/overweight boundary, but at the overweight/obese boundary there will be very few people who aren't at least overweight. Of course you can be overweight and far fitter than most in the normal range, but statistically, those in the obese category risk shortening their lives considerably.

    I agree BMI is flawed, but ignoring a problem you really should be able to see with your own eyes, just because it is measured badly, has far more potential for harm.
  • RiaLucia
    RiaLucia Posts: 121
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    That pretty much sums it up for me right there. I know that I am still overweight, but BMI charts classify me as obese and online calculators basically say stuff like, "Well, you're about one candy bar away from a heart attack." Yet I can run 3+ miles and I am an active dancer, etc. So basically I have to ignore BMI and go based on waist/hip ratios and body fat calculators instead.
  • baisleac
    baisleac Posts: 2,019 Member
    I agree BMI is flawed, but ignoring a problem you really should be able to see with your own eyes, just because it is measured badly, has far more potential for harm.

    I don't think anyone on MFP is ignoring what they see in front of them.

    All this focus on an antiquated, unrealistic, unscientific scale is unhealthy. Body fat percentage is so superior in terms of measuring fitness as to make the comparison laughable.
  • cmriverside
    cmriverside Posts: 34,817 Member
    I have to agree with this article .....I find it hard to believe there is so much argument here! Anyone who has ever become fit and able to do strenuous physical activity will see the fallacy of BMI calculations based on the current formula.


    But then, let's face it, I'm one of the more cynical of our society: convinced the insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies and the government are all in cahoots. And let's throw in the oil companies for good measure. :grumble:
  • summalovaable
    summalovaable Posts: 287 Member
    I completely agree!!! At my last doctor's appointment at the end of April the doctor told me I needed to lose weight because he was looking at the BMI scale. I told him I had lost 50+ lbs and could run 3+ miles. He told me that I still needed to lose another 30 lbs. to be healthy. I think doctor's need to be careful when they just give you a blanket statement like that. They should look more closely at the person to determine what a "healthy" weight is.
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    I didn't look at your numbers but from what you've said you have not defined a healthy person...more so a person on there way to being healthy. Bmi is by no means helpful for muscular people but if the doctor is worried about 30 lbs I highly suggest you listen! I do agree though that healthy is a person to person thing...after alll how many anorexics and bulimics are there that have a healthy bmi but have totally ruined their bodies on the inside?
  • karensoxfan
    karensoxfan Posts: 902 Member
    Body fat percentage is so superior in terms of measuring fitness as to make the comparison laughable.

    I agree body fat % would be a much better measure of someone's categorization as healthy, overweight, obese, etc., but the problem with it is that it's not something everyone can easily & accurately (and privately) identify for themselves. To have it accurately measured, it has to be administered by another person, ideally with pincers, which can be embarrassing, esp. for the overweight & obese people who KNOW they're overweight. Scales & hand-held analyzers are notoriously inaccurate, and if there's some other private way to measure it, I don't know what it is.
  • LarryPGH
    LarryPGH Posts: 349 Member
    bmi-comparison.jpg

    That pretty much sums it up for me right there. I know that I am still overweight, but BMI charts classify me as obese and online calculators basically say stuff like, "Well, you're about one candy bar away from a heart attack." Yet I can run 3+ miles and I am an active dancer, etc. So basically I have to ignore BMI and go based on waist/hip ratios and body fat calculators instead.

    LOL -- true, but the issue isn't whether BMI is the perfect measure, but whether its shortcomings can be dangerous. Would you say that either the bodybuilder on the left or the person on the right would misunderstand their BMI number and take inappropriate action? If not, then there's no foul, right?
  • jknops2
    jknops2 Posts: 171 Member
    I can see the weaknesses of bmi round the normal/overweight boundary, but at the overweight/obese boundary there will be very few people who aren't at least overweight. Of course you can be overweight and far fitter than most in the normal range, but statistically, those in the obese category risk shortening their lives considerably.

    I agree BMI is flawed, but ignoring a problem you really should be able to see with your own eyes, just because it is measured badly, has far more potential for harm.

    Yes, I think that's the key point. If you are in the healthy range, no problem, If you are way over it doesn't really matter if you are overweight or obese. You need to bring your weight down, or you are going to have health issues.
  • Noctuary
    Noctuary Posts: 255
    Maybe some people don't need a bmi to tell them they are fat. Then again if they are fat..they probably want to go with that whole I'M BIG BONED. I'd like to measure your bones. See just how big they are. Fatty.

    I am fat. The bmi says I am fat. And so does my mirror.
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