What "diet" is the right diet for life?

dcavazos
dcavazos Posts: 17 Member
edited January 2015 in Food and Nutrition
I don't know about you all but lately I have found myself overwhelmed and confused with all of the information out there. I decided to start my weight loss journey again for the upteenth time. But I thought to myself - there has to be a new approach I need to think long term how should I really be eating for the rest of my life. Sounds easier than it was. Some people are strong proponents of the Keto Diets -- VLCD -- where you are in a constant state of Ketosis. Others say -- this is not natural this is not healthy. Some say, just watch your calories but others say "not so because the TYPE of calories is what is important". Low Carb, High Protein not anymore, they say Low Carb, Medium Protein, High Fat. What will the studies show tomorrow? Doctors are no better. I have had some tell me that staying in a low carb ketosis type diet is dangerous, too much fat etc. Some tell me that fat is ok but its carbs that are evil. My most recent trip to the doctor I was told basically the best diet is Vegan. Oh and then juicing.... don't get me started on that.

I just want to be healthy, but at this point I don't even know what healthy is anymore.

I guess what I want to know is for those of you who have lost weight and maintained do you have any information on what is the right diet for a healthy life? What has worked for you and what if any research have you done on what to eat?

I welcome your discussions and also welcome you to add me as a friend and give me pointers you have learned along the way :)
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  • Sinistrous
    Sinistrous Posts: 5,589 Member
    Start with the count your calories diet.

    NEVER eat something you don't like, as that will not sustain you.

    Learn portion control.

    Make sure you do some sort of strength training.

    Stay active.
  • NoelFigart1
    NoelFigart1 Posts: 1,276 Member
    Seriously? Get your calories under control first. Then start throwing in fruits and veggies that you like, and try to get enough protein and fats that make you satisfied.

    There are people who do better on lots of whole grains and veggies. There are others who need more meat and fats to feel at their optimum.

    The problem is that you really shouldn't be taking dieting advice from fitness mags (and to be honest, I think random strangers on the Internet are probably worse... so take what I say with a grain of salt and some professional advice) and that humans can live on ANY diet.

    And no diet is going to make you immortal or eternally young. That's just advertising.
  • dcavazos
    dcavazos Posts: 17 Member
    edited January 2015
    @NoelFigart1‌ point taken but it can't hurt to see what those who have found success have done. Although I do agree that all of our body make ups are different and what will work for some may not work for me.
  • flabassmcgee
    flabassmcgee Posts: 659 Member
    Eat at a calorie deficit and you can eat anything you already like. I like the 80-20 approach...80% whole foods, 20% not so whole foods ('junk'). It's great because I never feel deprived. I'm not focusing on macros right now because I'm just losing weight, but when I get closer to goal, I'll ramp up the macro counting.

    I've lost nearly 10 pounds so far, so I think it's working. :)
  • FatFreeFrolicking
    FatFreeFrolicking Posts: 4,252 Member
    Look into IIFYM (flexible dieting). http://iifym.com
  • kbmnurse
    kbmnurse Posts: 2,484 Member
    First delete the word "diet". Think of it as eating healthy for mental, physical and emotional health.
  • JoseCastaneda
    JoseCastaneda Posts: 245 Member
    Look into IIFYM (flexible dieting). http://iifym.com

    ^^This is what has worked for me. It seems like a lot of math and formulas, but it's not, it's the easiest way to go (at least for me).
  • Texafornia23
    Texafornia23 Posts: 177 Member
    The right diet is the same one you think you'll want to be on in 20 years. If it isn't fun, easy to incorporate, or helthy, then any diet or exercising you're doing isn't sustainable. Find something your comfortable with, keep it simple, and commit to it long term.
  • Metazoick
    Metazoick Posts: 96 Member
    There is so much conflicting information because the science behind nutrition isn't exactly decisive, and because people love to focus on the trivial - which is fine for them, but then to justify it some people act like unless you're only eating oranges upside down before 5pm you're going to die at 40. This is not true.

    But, to answer your question, it depends on what you mean by healthy. Do you mean not overweight? Just make sure you aren't eating more calories than you're burning off, it might be a bit fiddly to find that number but it's pretty easy to stick to once you have the hang of it. Do you mean not deficient in anything? Simply eat a range of food. Asparagus is good for you, but only eating that would eventually make you sick. Just try and eat some fruit and veg etc to get enough micronutrients to run and you'll be golden. You can go further down the rabbit hole and start looking at GI and macronutrient ratios and the like, but it isnt necessary.

    Eat what you enjoy eating, but don't go overboard in anything. Take all advice with a pinch of salt, a ton of it is 'I heard from a friend who heard from a friend who heard from a guy who sells multivitamins...' style. Don't get too hung up in the little things, it's simpler than it's made out to be. You don't need an official 'only eat x and never y at z numbers' rest of your life plan, just take it day by day and change something if it doesn't work.

    As for 'what works for me' style advice, eating 'healthier' did wonders for me as it's so, so much easier to overeat from cake compared to chicken and runnerbeans.
  • queenliz99
    queenliz99 Posts: 15,317 Member
    Eat what you like now just less of it. No fad diet needed.
  • bwogilvie
    bwogilvie Posts: 2,130 Member
    People can stay healthy on an astounding variety of diets. They can lose weight on them, too, by counting calories. That said, I think Michael Pollan's advice is sound: "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." By "food," Pollan means something that your grandmother would recognize as food.

    Probably at this point, it's better to say "great-grandmother," unless you're already a grandparent yourself, and to say "anyone's great-grandmother," since my Norwegian grandmother probably would not have recognized a Thai green coconut curry as food. :)

    The point is that highly processed foodstuffs, which are cheap to make on an industrial scale, and shelf-stable to boot, are highly profitable to the food industry, but they aren't necessarily the healthiest. And they can encourage overeating, e.g. by being digested relatively easily or not providing a feeling of satiety.

    A simpler way to put this is that most of your food should come from the outside of the supermarket: vegetables, fruit, seafood, poultry, meat, and dairy; relatively little should come from stuff in boxes that has been processed and then (re)enriched with (some of) the very nutrients that were processed out of it.

    Now, a lot of MFP forum members will point out that you can lose weight eating processed food and even fast food. I've made that point elsewhere, because if you're overweight to the point where it affects your health or well-being, it's most important to lose weight by starting where you are rather than make huge changes. It's also true that if you lose weight by making changes that you don't plan to sustain for the rest of your life, you're likely to gain it back. But since you asked specifically about diet, I'll stick with this answer.

    If you want to read further, I'd suggest Michael Pollan, In Defense of Food, Marion Nestle and Malden Nesheim, Why Calories Count: From Science to Politics, and maybe Mark Bittman, VB6 (his book about a "vegan before 6 pm" diet).
  • CharlieBeansmomTracey
    CharlieBeansmomTracey Posts: 7,682 Member
    everyone is different so what works for one will not work for another. tomorrow Im starting the IIFYM thingy.watch your calories and eat how you like as long as it fits into your calorie goal. if you feel crummy including junk food then cut that out for awhile, if you feel more energy doing low/higher carb go for that. just make sure you get a decent ratio of the right foods and nutrients and you should be ok.what ratio for you that is right is up to you and what you feel is right and what makes you feel better inside and out.I change things up after awhile just to see if it will make a difference for me.
  • GiveMeCoffee
    GiveMeCoffee Posts: 3,556 Member
    The Keep it Simple Diet:

    Find a reasonable calorie deficit
    Log food accurately and honestly
    Learn moderation, portion control and to have patience
    Find an activity you like to do
  • Mr_Knight
    Mr_Knight Posts: 9,532 Member
    dcavazos wrote: »
    I guess what I want to know is for those of you who have lost weight and maintained do you have any information on what is the right diet for a healthy life?

    Step 1 - define what "healthy life" means for YOU.

    IMO a huge part of people's problems is they want bodies that aren't consistent with their activity level. Someone living the typical bed-to-car-to-chair-to-car-to-bed lifestyle so typical in the US can put on a LOT of weight before their body is incompatible with their lifestyle. So if you are highly sedentary, it's going to be hard to keep the weight off because you are going to be constantly fighting your own body, which frankly speaking, doesn't need to shed the pounds based on the lifestyle.

    I think an awful lot of people are going about this completely backwards. Figure out the lifestyle you want first...

  • dcavazos
    dcavazos Posts: 17 Member
    @kbmnurse‌ I guess I meant more like diet in the noun sense, like dogs have a diet, cats have a diet, what is the best diet for us? But yes I get what you mean about the word diet and the baggage that comes with it.

    @bwogilvie‌ that makes sense and thanks for the books advice, I'll add them to my reading list. I just finished watching Hungry for Change on Netflix which is a message similar to what you are talking about and a message that makes sense.
  • eatsyork
    eatsyork Posts: 71 Member
    Nutrition isn't well understood. We are very complex organisms. One day saturated fat is the devil and the next day we should all start eating butter again. There's no real definitive answer as to what is the optimal human diet with the current state of scientific knowledge. Find something that works for you and go with it. For me that means eating more saturated fat, less omega six fatty acids, and minimal carbs. I did ok when I ate raw vegan, too. People will thrive on all kinds of diets in the short term, it's the long term sustainability for you that makes the real difference. I'm pretty nerdy about nutrition. I read a ton of books. Studied nutrition in college. I've dabbled in everything from raw vegan to LCHF paleo. The information out there would make your head spin. I know what works for me and the current science I personally believe, but I have no delusion that it's the only way way to be healthy for everyone so I don't push my beliefs on anyone else.
  • bwogilvie
    bwogilvie Posts: 2,130 Member
    eatsyork wrote: »
    Nutrition isn't well understood. We are very complex organisms. One day saturated fat is the devil and the next day we should all start eating butter again. There's no real definitive answer as to what is the optimal human diet with the current state of scientific knowledge.

    This is all true. There probably is no optimum human diet; we're omnivores with an enormous range of habitats.

    It does seem a lot easier to identify suboptimum diets, at least for creatures who evolved when food was relatively scarce, and then try to avoid them!
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    edited January 2015
    What I did was look at how I'd been eating and figure out what changes I could make within the ways that I liked to eat that would allow me to make my diet healthier, lower calorie, and even more enjoyable (so that it would be sustainable). (I also got active, and for me I simply tend to eat better when I'm active; they aren't unrelated.)

    I did like not ever having to think about how many calories were in anything, and feeling free to eat according to whim in any quantities, but I also didn't eat so terribly (or giant amounts or anything). I just ate kind of stupidly in a variety of ways, which was pretty easy to figure out when I thought about it. And a lot of the stupid stuff (like a bagel for breakfast, which is stupid for me, not necessarily others, or eating any "special treat" that showed up at work) wasn't based on my love for that particular way of eating, but a lack of organization. Others (like getting Indian takeout whenever I was stressed at work and hadn't bought stuff to cook) were simply overly self-indulgent.

    So based on that analysis, I decided that the diet that would work best for me would involve various principles such as: (1) try to cook most meals at home (including breakfast), and bring lunch when possible, (2) eat protein and vegetables at all meals when at all possible (again, including breakfast), (3) don't eat outside of mealtime (mealtime could include a scheduled snack if I decide to plan one) unless there's a really good reason for a rare indulgence of this time and NEVER eat to deal with emotional upset/stress, (4) keep going out to dinner regularly (1-2 times/week) but don't pretend like it's a special occasion that allows for major indulgence if you do it that often and watch portion size and order sensibly, and (5) don't waste calories on foods you don't care about. I'm sure I could come up with others if I thought about it. The main point, however, is that these are rules that make sense for me, based on my preferences and lifestyle, and the food I cook is both healthy and--just as important--every bit as delicious and appealing to my taste as the foods I was eating before.
  • rybo
    rybo Posts: 5,424 Member
    Eat real food. Plants, animals, seeds & nuts.
    Avoid processed junk that's calorie dense and nutritionally low. If you want to have a "treat" of that sort, by all means do so, but don't overindulge. Avoid foods that cause you problems. Be they allergies or intestinal. If you don't have any issue you don't need to avoid them.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    Putting this in another post, since it's a slightly separate point and the whole thing was too long because I'm a windbag:

    As for the nutrition stuff, the basics that everyone agrees on, and that aren't largely personal preference (or some guru vs. another guru on questionable evidence), really aren't complicated and I think people tend to overcomplicate them for whatever reason--perhaps thinking there's some key that will make weight loss easier. I'd say, think about what you learned of as a healthy meal as a kid--some protein, veggies, and then fill out the meal with some fruit or dairy or starch/grains as desired. Once you start logging and experimenting with this you'll easily figure out the combinations that work best for you. Beyond that, low carb or high, low fat or not, it really doesn't matter; it depends on the person and the lifestyle and how you feel. (Well, I suspect that more people are less hungry with moderate to somewhat low carbs and not low fat, but people really do vary and what else you eat will make a difference for you too.)
  • tincanonastring
    tincanonastring Posts: 3,944 Member
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  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    Eat at a calorie deficit and you can eat anything you already like. I like the 80-20 approach...80% whole foods, 20% not so whole foods ('junk'). It's great because I never feel deprived. I'm not focusing on macros right now because I'm just losing weight, but when I get closer to goal, I'll ramp up the macro counting.

    I've lost nearly 10 pounds so far, so I think it's working. :)

    this…

    I lost 50 pounds ten years ago and have kept it off….been cutting/bulking/maintaining ever since..

    I would say the NUMBER ONE thing is that you have to learn that there are no bad foods and you do not need to restrict sugar,carbs, etc to lose weight….< unless of course you have a medical condition that would make you sensitive to said food group..
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    dcavazos wrote: »
    @NoelFigart1‌ point taken but it can't hurt to see what those who have found success have done. Although I do agree that all of our body make ups are different and what will work for some may not work for me.

    actually eating in a calorie deficit works for everyone….

    any other diet/method/etc is just a tool to put you in said calorie deficit..

    CICO
  • Sinistrous
    Sinistrous Posts: 5,589 Member

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  • obscuremusicreference
    obscuremusicreference Posts: 1,320 Member
    I agree with that really colorful post up there. Best diet for me is eating lots of fruits and vegetables and eggs so I can save up for calorie-dense foods that are more worthwhile to me. Best diet for you may vary. Just get used to counting calories and your best way will fall into place.

  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    The Keep it Simple Diet:

    Find a reasonable calorie deficit
    Log food accurately and honestly
    Learn moderation, portion control and to have patience
    Find an activity you like to do

    i would just add get a food scale and weigh/log/measure everything..
  • sing809
    sing809 Posts: 54 Member
    IIFYM/Bodybuilding diet is working well for me, but everyone is different. I have been overweight my entire life. I finally realized in the last couple of years that my body is particularly carb sensitive. Flour and sugar stimulate my appetite and leave me always hungry. I aim for roughly 35/35/30 macros and try to get most of my carbs from vegetables. Cutting out wheat and reducing sugar intake has been a gradual process for me over the last year and a half, but it has made a huge difference. I eat roughly 1750 calories a day to achieve slow, but hopefully lasting weight loss. Some people think IIFYM is an excuse to eat whatever you want, but I find that in order to meet my macro and calorie goals and keep track of things, I need to choose healthy, often whole food options.

    My husband eats a primarily vegan diet, but adds omega-3 rich fish twice a week. He eats this way primarily to keep his cholesterol in check. Everyone is different, which is why I think we have so much conflicting information about what is good for us.
  • There is no such thing as a diet unless your looking at short term results.

    There are 2 things you have to do to lose weight...EAT LESS MOVE MORE. It's actually really simple.

    I eat anything I want...I don't ever tell myself I CAN'T have something. What I do ask myself is "does this food make my body feel good and will It help me in my new lifestyle?"...fast food does not make me feel good. Eating McDonald's, taco bell, del taco or any one of the plethora of fast food places I know are not healthy...so why put that in my body. So for me, who at my heaviest was having fast food once or more a day, I had to cut out fast food....it was my choice and because of that I've had no problem not eating it. Now when I want fast food I will do Subway or Chipotle or even IN N OUT but it's not often and I try to be aware of what I'm eating.

    I love chocolate, I love pastries and I know my control is limited so I don't buy the stuff for my house often. If I want it I'll have a dessert when I go out to eat or I'll buy it but only a serving or 2...I'm a binge eater and I know if a cake is sitting on my counter there is a 50 50 chance I'll eat it all. Know your triggers. Know what needs to be purged from your diet and know what needs to be minimized.

    There is no set guideline that works for everyone...you have to know yourself and do what's best for you. Fast food, junk food, soda, over eating, under eating, not moving are just a few things that I can guarantee aren't good for anybody so start there...eliminate what you can and minimize what you can't eliminate yet.

    I lose just about 10lbs a month. From July til October that was what I was losing by watching my food and calories and exercising. November and December I didn't lose anything...I gained a pound. I stopped watching my eating, stopped counting my calories and was eating out a lot and having a lot of sweets....but I was exercising and because of that I didn't gain more. That told me very clearly I have to watch my food in take and I have to exercise...if I want too lose weight I can't do one or the other I have to do both. Chances are, so do you.

    So here is the big diet secret....EAT LESS MOVE MORE.



  • I agree with "don't overhaul too much too fast". Eat foods you want and work on making your calorie goal. Try to slowly incorporate more fruits and veggies. Slowly phase out processed foods like soda, chips, etc and find healthier replacements that you enjoy. Opt for leaner cuts of meat. Drink more water. An all or nothing mentality sets you up to binge and fail hard.
  • GingerbreadCandy
    GingerbreadCandy Posts: 403 Member
    I would also side with the general opinion here and state – a diet that you feel comfortable with and that fits with the lifestyle you want.

    For instance, I grew up on a diet based on a traditional mediterranean diet – lots of grains, lots of veggies, moderate fish and little meat. I have the luck that it is a diet that is vastly considered one of the healthiest out there with little to no dispute, so thus far, I have never had to even consider changing a diet plan.

    However, after starting to seriously exercise and learn more about fitness, I realised that if I wanted to really "bulk" (as much as possible for a woman), I would not be able to do it eating like I am now. Regardless of how healthy the Med Diet may be – I would need to adapt my eating habits to include more protein.

    So, does that mean I would switch to a high protein, low carb diet or even Paleo? Nope. I would not feel comfortable with them. That is just not me. Probably I'd find a way to eat more fish – tuna and sardines are not that expensive, after all. Include more eggs and include a larger steak every once in a while. :)

    The only thing I'd personally recommend is make a diet choice that does not restrict whole food groups. Almost always they prove to either be difficult to sustain or lacking in certain nutrients.

    Besides, food is too amazing and life comes with way too many hurdles to deprive yourself from yummy yummy products.