Help! I am a sugar AND carb-aholic!!

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  • Alluminati
    Alluminati Posts: 6,208 Member
    edited January 2015
    I'm a sleep addict. Everyday I sleep

    Damn man.. you got it hard..
    ..he got the 'itis
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  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    I know how bad it is but I am totally addicted to sugar and sweets! I try to only have one indulgence a day (3-6 squares of chocolate, etc) but whenever I have cravings that's the first place I go and the same with carbs. I literally gag by the end of my salads if I don't have a carb to go with it.... :(
    Has anyone had success cutting sugar and/or bad carbs from their life and what tips do you have?

    To try to focus on the problem, and not the language choice (although I think it actually makes the problem worse to think of it as an addiction when it's not), this is what comes to mind:

    If you are telling yourself that eating particular foods is "bad" and "ruins you diet" or the like, I think you are setting yourself up for failure, because that often creates a dynamic of all or nothing, where if you screw up at all, well, might as well go nuts, since it's already ruined for the day. Or, similarly, where you feel like a bad and worthless person for blowing it, so if you are an emotional eater you tend to eat more (or have a lot more pressure to do so).

    So first I think you need to adopt a more self-forgiving attitude. It's NOT bad to like sugar and sweets, but normal. It's also pretty human to struggle with this at first and to have emotional eating tendencies. I certainly did (and do).

    I did not find it useful to think of "cutting sugar" from my life or to think in terms of "bad carbs," but I cut down on both sugar and carbs and have focused more on nutrient dense foods while reducing calories.

    What I did was, first, to understand what in my diet was a problem and what this was related to. Some things were easy to fix, like have a real breakfast, rather than a bagel that would leave me hungry in a couple of hours and set up to crash and spike my blood sugar all day long (and I don't even have blood sugar issues if I eat normally). Or cook dinner most nights instead of being unprepared and working late and using it as an excuse for Indian take out. Or don't eat every sweet that appears in my office as if that were a sign from God that I was intended to eat it.

    Others were more challenging, as they related to temptations or habits, and required some understanding of what was going on. For example, I am prone to habitual eating (from having done it in the past) or emotional eating under certain stresses, so I try to be aware of them and use the consciousness to avoid it or be prepared so I can avoid the temptation (if I am working late I will bring some sort of healthy food so I don't go eat cookies because I'm hungry and tired). If there's a place (like in front of the TV) that you are in a habit of eating, maybe try not to have your usual food choice available so easily for a while or do something else instead when tempted--eat something else or choose a different activity. Also, be aware that when you are tired or stressed your will power will be weaker and try to protect yourself at those times.

    I cut out sugary treats for a couple of weeks to teach myself I didn't need them, and that helped me do moderation, but that's going to be individual. After that I told myself I could eat a dessert after dinner when I had the calories, but only if it fit. But I also told myself that it was always available tomorrow, so no need to go crazy tonight. And, for me, I found that it was pretty easy to limit sweets IF I focused on first getting in the protein and veggies I needed and not eating between meals as a practice. At first I just wanted to munch (did carrots and such) and soon enough that feeling went away.

    It's really about understanding your own triggers and habits and not being too hard on yourself, as shaming yourself generally is counterproductive. Hope that helps some.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    edited January 2015
    emily_stew wrote: »
    Do you...even know what gluten is or does?

    Isn't it, like, just BAD?! Must be in those white foods.
  • girlviernes
    girlviernes Posts: 2,402 Member
    edited January 2015
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    I know how bad it is but I am totally addicted to sugar and sweets! I try to only have one indulgence a day (3-6 squares of chocolate, etc) but whenever I have cravings that's the first place I go and the same with carbs. I literally gag by the end of my salads if I don't have a carb to go with it.... :(
    Has anyone had success cutting sugar and/or bad carbs from their life and what tips do you have?

    To try to focus on the problem, and not the language choice (although I think it actually makes the problem worse to think of it as an addiction when it's not), this is what comes to mind:

    If you are telling yourself that eating particular foods is "bad" and "ruins you diet" or the like, I think you are setting yourself up for failure, because that often creates a dynamic of all or nothing, where if you screw up at all, well, might as well go nuts, since it's already ruined for the day. Or, similarly, where you feel like a bad and worthless person for blowing it, so if you are an emotional eater you tend to eat more (or have a lot more pressure to do so).

    So first I think you need to adopt a more self-forgiving attitude. It's NOT bad to like sugar and sweets, but normal. It's also pretty human to struggle with this at first and to have emotional eating tendencies. I certainly did (and do).

    I did not find it useful to think of "cutting sugar" from my life or to think in terms of "bad carbs," but I cut down on both sugar and carbs and have focused more on nutrient dense foods while reducing calories.

    What I did was, first, to understand what in my diet was a problem and what this was related to. Some things were easy to fix, like have a real breakfast, rather than a bagel that would leave me hungry in a couple of hours and set up to crash and spike my blood sugar all day long (and I don't even have blood sugar issues if I eat normally). Or cook dinner most nights instead of being unprepared and working late and using it as an excuse for Indian take out. Or don't eat every sweet that appears in my office as if that were a sign from God that I was intended to eat it.

    Others were more challenging, as they related to temptations or habits, and required some understanding of what was going on. For example, I am prone to habitual eating (from having done it in the past) or emotional eating under certain stresses, so I try to be aware of them and use the consciousness to avoid it or be prepared so I can avoid the temptation (if I am working late I will bring some sort of healthy food so I don't go eat cookies because I'm hungry and tired). If there's a place (like in front of the TV) that you are in a habit of eating, maybe try not to have your usual food choice available so easily for a while or do something else instead when tempted--eat something else or choose a different activity. Also, be aware that when you are tired or stressed your will power will be weaker and try to protect yourself at those times.

    I cut out sugary treats for a couple of weeks to teach myself I didn't need them, and that helped me do moderation, but that's going to be individual. After that I told myself I could eat a dessert after dinner when I had the calories, but only if it fit. But I also told myself that it was always available tomorrow, so no need to go crazy tonight. And, for me, I found that it was pretty easy to limit sweets IF I focused on first getting in the protein and veggies I needed and not eating between meals as a practice. At first I just wanted to munch (did carrots and such) and soon enough that feeling went away.

    It's really about understanding your own triggers and habits and not being too hard on yourself, as shaming yourself generally is counterproductive. Hope that helps some.

    This post is amazing. I hope you repost it as its own thread or as a blog post, because this is pure gold.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    Blush. Thanks!
  • amusedmonkey
    amusedmonkey Posts: 10,330 Member
    I'm addicted to tomatoes, I mean seriously addicted. I need to have at least 2 pounds of tomatoes a day, which I munch on like apples. Honestly, I wouldn't call any of this an addiction. Being "addicted" to carbs comes down to a few basic things: evolution (seeking quick energy), habit, and preferences.

    If someone likes meat a lot and would eat it at every chance they get, why isn't "protein addiction" the first thing people cry out? Just a thought.
  • amusedmonkey
    amusedmonkey Posts: 10,330 Member
    I have a tip that worked for me successfully. When I have insane cravings for something, I only let myself have it after a very filling meal. Lots of soup, salad, and protein will make you feel really full and even if you decide to indulge, you won't be able to over-indulge because you are physically too full.
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  • amusedmonkey
    amusedmonkey Posts: 10,330 Member
    MrM27 wrote: »
    I'm addicted to tomatoes, I mean seriously addicted. I need to have at least 2 pounds of tomatoes a day, which I munch on like apples. Honestly, I wouldn't call any of this an addiction. Being "addicted" to carbs comes down to a few basic things: evolution (seeking quick energy), habit, and preferences.

    If someone likes meat a lot and would eat it at every chance they get, why isn't "protein addiction" the first thing people cry out? Just a thought.

    Serious question. Do you really eat that many tomatoes a day?

    Yes, seriously. I snack on them whenever I pass by the kitchen. It was my favorite snack as a kid, and still is.
  • Cravings for chocolate often signal a magnesium deficiency. Perhaps a magnesium supplement would help.
  • trina1049
    trina1049 Posts: 593 Member
    I'm addicted to random internet people.
  • royaldrea
    royaldrea Posts: 259 Member
    edited January 2015
    I have a slight issue with using the word "addiction" to describe one's relationship with sugar and carbs. This is because I feel that most people are not addicted to sugar and carbs at all. If they were, they would scarf down bananas and apples and oranges (as they contain sugar) without being able to stop themselves. This rarely happens. They would remove all cake from the house, but helplessly pour table sugar down their throats. *ETA - They would also eat plain flour. (I know of nobody who claims to be addicted to sugar *and carbs, who actually eats plain table sugar *and flour. Nobody. This is what a true sugar addict would do. Alcoholics, on the other hand, will sometimes drink rubbing alcohol, and perfume, in order to get their fix. Heroin and cocaine addicts will sell their children to get high. I don't think the self-proclaimed sugar addict would even consider lending a shifty-looking neighbour a moderately tolerated pet for a week, in a world where table sugar was outlawed).

    I do believe that people compulsively eat delicious foods. Sugar and carbs are delicious, and fatty food. You don't love chocolate because it has sugar in it, you love it because it is delicious. Same with cakes, and bacon, and cheeseburgers.

    Whether persons can be addicted to delicious foods is not something I'm qualified to discuss. I do feel that you can have an addictive relationship with food, or sex, or gambling. (My definition of addiction is a dependence on a thing which goes past gratification and into the ream of compulsion and self-harm - eg where you have sex even when you don't want to, when you know it's dangerous or unsafe, when you can't stop yourself even when you try. Or when you stuff food down your throat compulsively when you don't want it, past the point of discomfort and pain, even when you try to stop yourself.)

    Now on to you - you may legitimately be addicted (using my wonderful definition, of course) to good tasting food. It is likely that you're not, and that you have an issue with moderation and self-control. While cutting out all sugars and carbs may help you with weight loss in the short term, this isn't really a good long term goal. I would recommend that you work on moderation and self-control instead - learn to say no when you want to say yes, or accept smaller portions, or indulge on certain things less than you do currently. Do what other persons in this thread have suggested. These are practices that will be useful if you plan to modify your eating habits for the long run.

    Good luck to you!

    *Edits
  • Lasmartchika
    Lasmartchika Posts: 3,440 Member
    Cravings for chocolate often signal a magnesium deficiency. Perhaps a magnesium supplement would help.

    I'd rather have the chocolate than a pill. Thank you very much.
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  • Sued0nim
    Sued0nim Posts: 17,456 Member
    Chocolate tacos?
  • Sued0nim
    Sued0nim Posts: 17,456 Member
    Good god, that's a thing

    Chocolate-Taco-Recipe-at-Love-From-The-Oven-13-650x433.jpg
  • elphie754 wrote: »
    I know how bad it is but I am totally addicted to sugar and sweets! I try to only have one indulgence a day (3-6 squares of chocolate, etc) but whenever I have cravings that's the first place I go and the same with carbs. I literally gag by the end of my salads if I don't have a carb to go with it.... :(
    Has anyone had success cutting sugar and/or bad carbs from their life and what tips do you have?

    No you are not. I really wish people would stop misusing the word addiction.

    Sugar and the sugar in carbs activate the same sensors in the brain that drugs do, so sugar addiction is real. The dependency is real. Check out this article: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2235907/
  • Serah87 wrote: »
    Maridar wrote: »
    I feel terrible, same addiction. I had a shortbread cookie and tootsie rolls for breakfast, coffee with splenda... overdid suger by 18 grams or points in the Food count, feeling very guilty...:( Walked for 45 min and have abour 360 cal left to eat but that sugar I think just cancels everything...

    So you had a cookie, some tootsie rolls and coffee and only 360 calories left for the day?? I sure hope I read that wrong, if not YOU NEED TO EAT MORE!!!

  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    i see OP never came back to this thread…shocking...
  • thedomesticmum
    thedomesticmum Posts: 16 Member
    elphie754 wrote: »
    I know how bad it is but I am totally addicted to sugar and sweets! I try to only have one indulgence a day (3-6 squares of chocolate, etc) but whenever I have cravings that's the first place I go and the same with carbs. I literally gag by the end of my salads if I don't have a carb to go with it.... :(
    Has anyone had success cutting sugar and/or bad carbs from their life and what tips do you have?

    No you are not. I really wish people would stop misusing the word addiction.

    I wish that people that had nothing of value to contribute would stop sharing their negative voice with the world, but here you are...so I guess we will both just have to live with it
  • thedomesticmum
    thedomesticmum Posts: 16 Member
    Luv2Munch wrote: »
    Hi, as a suggestion for sweets try eating dried apricots instead of sugar. For carbs the best solution is to decrease slowly so if you are eating white bread, rice etc switch to brown, then whatever portions you are eating of the carbs regularly try decreasing by a quarter/half. in the case of rice you could eat less by adding low glycemic veggies etc. for the chocolate you can still eat it but try and buy it without added sugar [ie dark chocolate/chocolate for diabetics]etc. you might also want to try meeting with a dietitician or nutritionist who could also offer you advice. Whatever you do STAY STRONG and move forward one step at a time. Lasty if you do falter don't beat yourself up, as long as you try you have not failed. Good luck!

    Thank you :)
  • thedomesticmum
    thedomesticmum Posts: 16 Member
    elphie754 wrote: »

    No you are not. I really wish people would stop misusing the word addiction.

    Admitting to an addiction does not by default displace accountability - just saying. I don't understand why people attack semantics and then give no useful insight to the original question. The OP is obviously trying to improve themselves which is a show of accountability. Instead of focusing on the fact that they used the word addiction why not focus on posting meaningful tips as they requested.

    Thank you!!

  • thedomesticmum
    thedomesticmum Posts: 16 Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    elphie754 wrote: »

    No you are not. I really wish people would stop misusing the word addiction.

    Admitting to an addiction does not by default displace accountability - just saying. I don't understand why people attack semantics and then give no useful insight to the original question. The OP is obviously trying to improve themselves which is a show of accountability. Instead of focusing on the fact that they used the word addiction why not focus on posting meaningful tips as they requested.

    then OP should join a 12 step program if she is truly addicted to sugar...

    Isn't the first step admitting it? Lucky you...you get to be a part of my 12 steps!!
  • thedomesticmum
    thedomesticmum Posts: 16 Member
    I know how bad it is but I am totally addicted to sugar and sweets! I try to only have one indulgence a day (3-6 squares of chocolate, etc) but whenever I have cravings that's the first place I go and the same with carbs. I literally gag by the end of my salads if I don't have a carb to go with it.... :(
    Has anyone had success cutting sugar and/or bad carbs from their life and what tips do you have?

    Carbs and sugar are important,your body body runs on glucose.Just substitute chocolate,with non-dairy dark chocolate ,white sugar with brown or coconat sugar and eat more fruit and veggies.Restricting on fruit is restricting on life.Just cut the nasty dairy and meat from your diet and you are good to go and try to restrict gluten if you can (eat more brown rice and whole wheat pasta).Belive me I am vegan for 3 months and I have never felt more positive and happy in my life ! :)

    You tell her to restrict gluten and the recommend whole wheat pasta??? :o

    There's no need to avoid gluten unless you have celiac disease.

    What's so nasty about dairy?

    OP, make gradual changes. Are you using the site to log your intake? Start with looking at how much protein you consume. You should be consuming somewhere between around .75 and 1g of protein per pound of lean body mass. That's 75 to 100 grams of protein. That's 300-400 calories. Next you'll want to look at your fat intake. For satiety, a nice ballpark is around 25-30% of your total calories. That leaves you with 40-45% of your calories for carbohydrates. The bulk of those should be fruit and veg. You can work a treat in there, but make it something you really enjoy. Time it after a meal so you're not starved.

    I also find anything that you find daunting in life is helped by a simple visualization exercise. Right now, you're giving the foods you crave power. In your mind, visualize yourself standing next to the food, and the food is GIANT. It's dwarfing you. It's going to overcome you. Right now, that's what you're allowing it by saying that you're addicted.

    Okay, in your visualization, slowly shrink that food down to its actual size and think about how you're bigger than it while you repeat to yourself the idea that you are in charge of your choices. Take back the power that you've given to the food.

    Thanks for the advice on checking my percentages. I do log everyday but havent really looked at the percentage ratios
  • thedomesticmum
    thedomesticmum Posts: 16 Member
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    I know how bad it is but I am totally addicted to sugar and sweets! I try to only have one indulgence a day (3-6 squares of chocolate, etc) but whenever I have cravings that's the first place I go and the same with carbs. I literally gag by the end of my salads if I don't have a carb to go with it.... :(
    Has anyone had success cutting sugar and/or bad carbs from their life and what tips do you have?

    To try to focus on the problem, and not the language choice (although I think it actually makes the problem worse to think of it as an addiction when it's not), this is what comes to mind:

    If you are telling yourself that eating particular foods is "bad" and "ruins you diet" or the like, I think you are setting yourself up for failure, because that often creates a dynamic of all or nothing, where if you screw up at all, well, might as well go nuts, since it's already ruined for the day. Or, similarly, where you feel like a bad and worthless person for blowing it, so if you are an emotional eater you tend to eat more (or have a lot more pressure to do so).

    So first I think you need to adopt a more self-forgiving attitude. It's NOT bad to like sugar and sweets, but normal. It's also pretty human to struggle with this at first and to have emotional eating tendencies. I certainly did (and do).

    I did not find it useful to think of "cutting sugar" from my life or to think in terms of "bad carbs," but I cut down on both sugar and carbs and have focused more on nutrient dense foods while reducing calories.

    What I did was, first, to understand what in my diet was a problem and what this was related to. Some things were easy to fix, like have a real breakfast, rather than a bagel that would leave me hungry in a couple of hours and set up to crash and spike my blood sugar all day long (and I don't even have blood sugar issues if I eat normally). Or cook dinner most nights instead of being unprepared and working late and using it as an excuse for Indian take out. Or don't eat every sweet that appears in my office as if that were a sign from God that I was intended to eat it.

    Others were more challenging, as they related to temptations or habits, and required some understanding of what was going on. For example, I am prone to habitual eating (from having done it in the past) or emotional eating under certain stresses, so I try to be aware of them and use the consciousness to avoid it or be prepared so I can avoid the temptation (if I am working late I will bring some sort of healthy food so I don't go eat cookies because I'm hungry and tired). If there's a place (like in front of the TV) that you are in a habit of eating, maybe try not to have your usual food choice available so easily for a while or do something else instead when tempted--eat something else or choose a different activity. Also, be aware that when you are tired or stressed your will power will be weaker and try to protect yourself at those times.

    I cut out sugary treats for a couple of weeks to teach myself I didn't need them, and that helped me do moderation, but that's going to be individual. After that I told myself I could eat a dessert after dinner when I had the calories, but only if it fit. But I also told myself that it was always available tomorrow, so no need to go crazy tonight. And, for me, I found that it was pretty easy to limit sweets IF I focused on first getting in the protein and veggies I needed and not eating between meals as a practice. At first I just wanted to munch (did carrots and such) and soon enough that feeling went away.

    It's really about understanding your own triggers and habits and not being too hard on yourself, as shaming yourself generally is counterproductive. Hope that helps some.

    Thank you for the advice!!
  • thedomesticmum
    thedomesticmum Posts: 16 Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    i see OP never came back to this thread…shocking...

    This 'OP' is a full-time University student with 3 children under 6 so I don't have the same time to devote to the trolling of threads to argue someones use of the word addiction and to talk about tacos as some others that have made their way on here. But thanks for taking the time to notice and provide your ever so memorable feedback....
  • Kalikel
    Kalikel Posts: 9,603 Member
    There is a huge push to classify fat people. They have to figure out whether they're going to classify obesity as an eating disorder or an addiction or whatever, but they're going to start classifying it as some damn thing. The anorexics have their label. The muscle dysmorphics have their label. The fat people will get one, too.

    OP, I had a serious issue with white pasta and breads. If I had some, I wanted more. It would drive me nuts. Even if I ate more, it wouldn't help. I'd still want more. It would go on all day long until I slept.

    I finally just eliminated them. I was just so sick of fighting it. I kept looking for and eventually found whole grain alternatives that I liked. That seems to have done the trick for me. The whole grains are better for me, too, so it's all good. I don't know if it would work for you.

    Potatoes were never an issue for me. I never crave more of those. I love them! But I don't crave them.

    People always say it's an issue of personal weakness, but if think that's BS. There are PLENTY of things I like more than white bread - berries, Starbursts, etc. I don't crave those like mad.

    I'm confident that they'll figure out why some people have issues with white bread, pasta, et cetera, and why some don't. I hope I live to hear it. :)
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