"Fat Head" - is dietary fat REALLY that bad for you?
dsnyprincessRN
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I just finished watching the documentary "Fat Head" and thought it was really interesting. A quick article search through ProQuest showed that a lot of what the documentary showed about dietary fat was true - which totally goes against what society tells us (fat is the devil).
I'm curious to hear from anyone who has adopted a high-fat low carb or paleo or similar type diet, and your results. It just makes so much sense when you take the time to think about it (or research...)
I'm curious to hear from anyone who has adopted a high-fat low carb or paleo or similar type diet, and your results. It just makes so much sense when you take the time to think about it (or research...)
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Dietary fat is necessary for many metabolic processes. Going wild on dietary fat is unnecessary.0
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I guess to expand on my comment:
Balanced macros (fat, carbs, protein) are great because the more restrictive the diet the more likely people are to fail. Carbs are great for energy, fat is important to metabolic processes, protein is great for tissue repair. There's no need to cut one out to lose weight.0 -
I tried low carb and got really bad headaches. I can understand the science behind it but it never suited my preference. My preference is to eat a diet that is focused on fruit, vegetables, fish, whole grains, dairy and the occasional red meat - "meditarranean" style.... studies have shown this is a great diet for health.0
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I personally have never felt well or performed well on High fat/Low carb. Not to say that some people wouldn't. I just prefer to have a moderate and balanced approach to my macros.0
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honkytonks85 wrote: »I tried low carb and got really bad headaches. I can understand the science behind it but it never suited my preference. My preference is to eat a diet that is focused on fruit, vegetables, fish, whole grains, dairy and the occasional red meat - "meditarranean" style.... studies have shown this is a great diet for health.
The science behind it usually claims that when you eat more fat you burn more fat. That's only true because you are burning dietary fat along with the fat from your body.0 -
Yep, I've always heard you need to eat fat to lose fat. How much to eat, I have no idea...0
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I feel like diets are so completely individual and what works for one person may totally NOT work for someone else. I just thought that the higher fat lower carb diet totally goes against what is mainstream (hi food pyramid) and was interested in hearing from those who practiced this sort of diet.0
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I watched Fat Head last week. It's biased, as most of the food documentaries are. Fat Head promotes low carb diets. I found the documentary interesting, but unconvincing.0
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honkytonks85 wrote: »I tried low carb and got really bad headaches. I can understand the science behind it but it never suited my preference. My preference is to eat a diet that is focused on fruit, vegetables, fish, whole grains, dairy and the occasional red meat - "meditarranean" style.... studies have shown this is a great diet for health.
The science behind it usually claims that when you eat more fat you burn more fat. That's only true because you are burning dietary fat along with the fat from your body.
This. Here is a good explanation
http://sigmanutrition.com/eat-more-fat-burn-more-fat-myth-magic-or-metabolic-advantage/0 -
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dsnyprincessRN wrote: »I feel like diets are so completely individual and what works for one person may totally NOT work for someone else. I just thought that the higher fat lower carb diet totally goes against what is mainstream (hi food pyramid) and was interested in hearing from those who practiced this sort of diet.
Atkins is pretty popular, so I don't really think it isn't mainstream.
I tried low carb for a while when I first started. I really enjoyed that I felt free to eat meat and cheese all I wanted. Then came the struggle of getting vegetables in (fruit was out of the question, too many carbs). Vegetables and fruit are important to providing the micronutrients our bodies need. I started to feel horrible and had zero energy. They say it passes once you "detox" of carbs and sugar (which is false). Once your body runs out of the easy energy from carbs it switches to a different process and you get used to that energy level it provides.
You drop weight quickly at the beginning because carbs hold water in the body. So, you're just dropping water and glycogen weight. Unless you are careful to get a variety of vegetables you could end up with problems. Workouts can be very rough when on a low carb diet.0 -
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I really liked Fat Head, insofar as a counter to the nonsense of Supersize Me.
I'm not sure I buy into the high fat diet promoted by the experts in the doc. My experience is that fat is not satiating, I struggle the most with hunger when my fat macro level is high for the day. My experience tells me that a high fat diet, if I wasn't paying attention, that I would overeat on it, by a lot.0 -
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Lourdesong wrote: »I really liked Fat Head, insofar as a counter to the nonsense of Supersize Me.
I'm not sure I buy into the high fat diet promoted by the experts in the doc. My experience is that fat is not satiating, I struggle the most with hunger when my fat macro level is high for the day. My experience tells me that a high fat diet, if I wasn't paying attention, that I would overeat on it, by a lot.
I saw on my random internet dawdling a guy who did the high-fat low carb thing and topped his steak with half a stick of butter.... a) that looks nauseating and b) i just have a hard time seeing how someone thinks "that looks good for me."
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Just because you don't think someone can think something is good for you that doesn't mean someone else can't?dsnyprincessRN wrote: »Lourdesong wrote: »I really liked Fat Head, insofar as a counter to the nonsense of Supersize Me.
I'm not sure I buy into the high fat diet promoted by the experts in the doc. My experience is that fat is not satiating, I struggle the most with hunger when my fat macro level is high for the day. My experience tells me that a high fat diet, if I wasn't paying attention, that I would overeat on it, by a lot.
I saw on my random internet dawdling a guy who did the high-fat low carb thing and topped his steak with half a stick of butter.... a) that looks nauseating and b) i just have a hard time seeing how someone thinks "that looks good for me."
You're also looking at 1 piece of a person diet as opposed to the overall contents.
Welp I was aiming for light humor with that comment, but I get the flip side - someone can think the slice of pizza that I think looks godly looks like a greasy pile of crap. Diets are individual, no single diet is perfect for everyone, I was just interested in the discussion of this one.
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Steak topped with a butter/blue cheese crumble mixture sounds pretty delightful right about now.0
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dsnyprincessRN wrote: »
Just because you don't think someone can think something is good for you that doesn't mean someone else can't?dsnyprincessRN wrote: »Lourdesong wrote: »I really liked Fat Head, insofar as a counter to the nonsense of Supersize Me.
I'm not sure I buy into the high fat diet promoted by the experts in the doc. My experience is that fat is not satiating, I struggle the most with hunger when my fat macro level is high for the day. My experience tells me that a high fat diet, if I wasn't paying attention, that I would overeat on it, by a lot.
I saw on my random internet dawdling a guy who did the high-fat low carb thing and topped his steak with half a stick of butter.... a) that looks nauseating and b) i just have a hard time seeing how someone thinks "that looks good for me."
You're also looking at 1 piece of a person diet as opposed to the overall contents.
Welp I was aiming for light humor with that comment, but I get the flip side - someone can think the slice of pizza that I think looks godly looks like a greasy pile of crap. Diets are individual, no single diet is perfect for everyone, I was just interested in the discussion of this one.
I posted my experience above to start and actual discussion, but you didn't reply or ask questions about my experience. I've been at this since 2010 and I am a competitive bodybuilder. I'd say my experience as well as my knowledge of the science behind it would be enough for you to continue to ask me questions.0 -
dsnyprincessRN wrote: »
Just because you don't think someone can think something is good for you that doesn't mean someone else can't?dsnyprincessRN wrote: »Lourdesong wrote: »I really liked Fat Head, insofar as a counter to the nonsense of Supersize Me.
I'm not sure I buy into the high fat diet promoted by the experts in the doc. My experience is that fat is not satiating, I struggle the most with hunger when my fat macro level is high for the day. My experience tells me that a high fat diet, if I wasn't paying attention, that I would overeat on it, by a lot.
I saw on my random internet dawdling a guy who did the high-fat low carb thing and topped his steak with half a stick of butter.... a) that looks nauseating and b) i just have a hard time seeing how someone thinks "that looks good for me."
You're also looking at 1 piece of a person diet as opposed to the overall contents.
Welp I was aiming for light humor with that comment, but I get the flip side - someone can think the slice of pizza that I think looks godly looks like a greasy pile of crap. Diets are individual, no single diet is perfect for everyone, I was just interested in the discussion of this one.
I posted my experience above to start and actual discussion, but you didn't reply or ask questions about my experience. I've been at this since 2010 and I am a competitive bodybuilder. I'd say my experience as well as my knowledge of the science behind it would be enough for you to continue to ask me questions.
I do appreciate your input and experience and I'm sure you are much more educated than me on this topic - no denying that. Honestly I don't even know what questions to ask! Your approach to balanced macros makes sense to me and I would definitely see getting tired and feeling out of it when you're lacking in one of the areas. Thoughts on a paleo type diet? I feel like it's what our bodies were "designed" (evolutionary speaking) to eat.... so that part makes sense.... but then whole grains are good too..... and our bodies are very adaptable....
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Barbellarella_ wrote: »
Susan!0 -
A perfectly grilled steak topped with butter is one of the greatest indulgences there is. And, it's not unhealthy. It's delicious and nutritious0
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dsnyprincessRN wrote: »dsnyprincessRN wrote: »
Just because you don't think someone can think something is good for you that doesn't mean someone else can't?dsnyprincessRN wrote: »Lourdesong wrote: »I really liked Fat Head, insofar as a counter to the nonsense of Supersize Me.
I'm not sure I buy into the high fat diet promoted by the experts in the doc. My experience is that fat is not satiating, I struggle the most with hunger when my fat macro level is high for the day. My experience tells me that a high fat diet, if I wasn't paying attention, that I would overeat on it, by a lot.
I saw on my random internet dawdling a guy who did the high-fat low carb thing and topped his steak with half a stick of butter.... a) that looks nauseating and b) i just have a hard time seeing how someone thinks "that looks good for me."
You're also looking at 1 piece of a person diet as opposed to the overall contents.
Welp I was aiming for light humor with that comment, but I get the flip side - someone can think the slice of pizza that I think looks godly looks like a greasy pile of crap. Diets are individual, no single diet is perfect for everyone, I was just interested in the discussion of this one.
I posted my experience above to start and actual discussion, but you didn't reply or ask questions about my experience. I've been at this since 2010 and I am a competitive bodybuilder. I'd say my experience as well as my knowledge of the science behind it would be enough for you to continue to ask me questions.
I do appreciate your input and experience and I'm sure you are much more educated than me on this topic - no denying that. Honestly I don't even know what questions to ask! Your approach to balanced macros makes sense to me and I would definitely see getting tired and feeling out of it when you're lacking in one of the areas. Thoughts on a paleo type diet? I feel like it's what our bodies were "designed" (evolutionary speaking) to eat.... so that part makes sense.... but then whole grains are good too..... and our bodies are very adaptable....
Paleo diet's claims have been debunked many times. Our ancestors ate a wide variety of things depending on where they lived and some of those are on the "no" list.
Many people feel good or slimmer on it because the paleo diet eliminates many of the foods that cause minor bloating or water retention. The list of no foods are actually some of the most common food allergies.
Could you do well on Paleo or The Whole 30 or Atkins or *insert diet here*? Possibly. It still comes down to calories consumed compared to the amount of calories your body needs through the day/week/month/year. The best diet for each person is simply what they can stick to. For most of us it's simply smaller portions or lighter versions of our normal foods.0 -
dsnyprincessRN wrote: »dsnyprincessRN wrote: »
Just because you don't think someone can think something is good for you that doesn't mean someone else can't?dsnyprincessRN wrote: »Lourdesong wrote: »I really liked Fat Head, insofar as a counter to the nonsense of Supersize Me.
I'm not sure I buy into the high fat diet promoted by the experts in the doc. My experience is that fat is not satiating, I struggle the most with hunger when my fat macro level is high for the day. My experience tells me that a high fat diet, if I wasn't paying attention, that I would overeat on it, by a lot.
I saw on my random internet dawdling a guy who did the high-fat low carb thing and topped his steak with half a stick of butter.... a) that looks nauseating and b) i just have a hard time seeing how someone thinks "that looks good for me."
You're also looking at 1 piece of a person diet as opposed to the overall contents.
Welp I was aiming for light humor with that comment, but I get the flip side - someone can think the slice of pizza that I think looks godly looks like a greasy pile of crap. Diets are individual, no single diet is perfect for everyone, I was just interested in the discussion of this one.
I posted my experience above to start and actual discussion, but you didn't reply or ask questions about my experience. I've been at this since 2010 and I am a competitive bodybuilder. I'd say my experience as well as my knowledge of the science behind it would be enough for you to continue to ask me questions.
I do appreciate your input and experience and I'm sure you are much more educated than me on this topic - no denying that. Honestly I don't even know what questions to ask! Your approach to balanced macros makes sense to me and I would definitely see getting tired and feeling out of it when you're lacking in one of the areas. Thoughts on a paleo type diet? I feel like it's what our bodies were "designed" (evolutionary speaking) to eat.... so that part makes sense.... but then whole grains are good too..... and our bodies are very adaptable....
Paleo diet's claims have been debunked many times. Our ancestors ate a wide variety of things depending on where they lived and some of those are on the "no" list.
Many people feel good or slimmer on it because the paleo diet eliminates many of the foods that cause minor bloating or water retention. The list of no foods are actually some of the most common food allergies.
Could you do well on Paleo or The Whole 30 or Atkins or *insert diet here*? Possibly. It still comes down to calories consumed compared to the amount of calories your body needs through the day/week/month/year. The best diet for each person is simply what they can stick to. For most of us it's simply smaller portions or lighter versions of our normal foods.
"The best diet for each person is simply what they can stick to."
Can this be MFP's new slogan?
And now that you mention it, the paleo debunking makes sense, because they all didn't have the same food sources... for some reason didn't consider that
woops
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dsnyprincessRN wrote: »dsnyprincessRN wrote: »dsnyprincessRN wrote: »
Just because you don't think someone can think something is good for you that doesn't mean someone else can't?dsnyprincessRN wrote: »Lourdesong wrote: »I really liked Fat Head, insofar as a counter to the nonsense of Supersize Me.
I'm not sure I buy into the high fat diet promoted by the experts in the doc. My experience is that fat is not satiating, I struggle the most with hunger when my fat macro level is high for the day. My experience tells me that a high fat diet, if I wasn't paying attention, that I would overeat on it, by a lot.
I saw on my random internet dawdling a guy who did the high-fat low carb thing and topped his steak with half a stick of butter.... a) that looks nauseating and b) i just have a hard time seeing how someone thinks "that looks good for me."
You're also looking at 1 piece of a person diet as opposed to the overall contents.
Welp I was aiming for light humor with that comment, but I get the flip side - someone can think the slice of pizza that I think looks godly looks like a greasy pile of crap. Diets are individual, no single diet is perfect for everyone, I was just interested in the discussion of this one.
I posted my experience above to start and actual discussion, but you didn't reply or ask questions about my experience. I've been at this since 2010 and I am a competitive bodybuilder. I'd say my experience as well as my knowledge of the science behind it would be enough for you to continue to ask me questions.
I do appreciate your input and experience and I'm sure you are much more educated than me on this topic - no denying that. Honestly I don't even know what questions to ask! Your approach to balanced macros makes sense to me and I would definitely see getting tired and feeling out of it when you're lacking in one of the areas. Thoughts on a paleo type diet? I feel like it's what our bodies were "designed" (evolutionary speaking) to eat.... so that part makes sense.... but then whole grains are good too..... and our bodies are very adaptable....
Paleo diet's claims have been debunked many times. Our ancestors ate a wide variety of things depending on where they lived and some of those are on the "no" list.
Many people feel good or slimmer on it because the paleo diet eliminates many of the foods that cause minor bloating or water retention. The list of no foods are actually some of the most common food allergies.
Could you do well on Paleo or The Whole 30 or Atkins or *insert diet here*? Possibly. It still comes down to calories consumed compared to the amount of calories your body needs through the day/week/month/year. The best diet for each person is simply what they can stick to. For most of us it's simply smaller portions or lighter versions of our normal foods.
"The best diet for each person is simply what they can stick to."
Can this be MFP's new slogan?
And now that you mention it, the paleo debunking makes sense, because they all didn't have the same food sources... for some reason didn't consider that woops
I think often people come in here thinking they have to radically change their diet. I know I thought I couldn't have treats of any sort. Chicken, rice, vegetables, fruit and oatmeal. I also thought 1200 calories was enough and anything less than 2 pound loss per week was a failure.
Thankfully I eventually learned that setting MFP to lose a pound a week was more appropriate and there is no reason to feel guilty over having cake.0 -
dsnyprincessRN wrote: »dsnyprincessRN wrote: »dsnyprincessRN wrote: »
Just because you don't think someone can think something is good for you that doesn't mean someone else can't?dsnyprincessRN wrote: »Lourdesong wrote: »I really liked Fat Head, insofar as a counter to the nonsense of Supersize Me.
I'm not sure I buy into the high fat diet promoted by the experts in the doc. My experience is that fat is not satiating, I struggle the most with hunger when my fat macro level is high for the day. My experience tells me that a high fat diet, if I wasn't paying attention, that I would overeat on it, by a lot.
I saw on my random internet dawdling a guy who did the high-fat low carb thing and topped his steak with half a stick of butter.... a) that looks nauseating and b) i just have a hard time seeing how someone thinks "that looks good for me."
You're also looking at 1 piece of a person diet as opposed to the overall contents.
Welp I was aiming for light humor with that comment, but I get the flip side - someone can think the slice of pizza that I think looks godly looks like a greasy pile of crap. Diets are individual, no single diet is perfect for everyone, I was just interested in the discussion of this one.
I posted my experience above to start and actual discussion, but you didn't reply or ask questions about my experience. I've been at this since 2010 and I am a competitive bodybuilder. I'd say my experience as well as my knowledge of the science behind it would be enough for you to continue to ask me questions.
I do appreciate your input and experience and I'm sure you are much more educated than me on this topic - no denying that. Honestly I don't even know what questions to ask! Your approach to balanced macros makes sense to me and I would definitely see getting tired and feeling out of it when you're lacking in one of the areas. Thoughts on a paleo type diet? I feel like it's what our bodies were "designed" (evolutionary speaking) to eat.... so that part makes sense.... but then whole grains are good too..... and our bodies are very adaptable....
Paleo diet's claims have been debunked many times. Our ancestors ate a wide variety of things depending on where they lived and some of those are on the "no" list.
Many people feel good or slimmer on it because the paleo diet eliminates many of the foods that cause minor bloating or water retention. The list of no foods are actually some of the most common food allergies.
Could you do well on Paleo or The Whole 30 or Atkins or *insert diet here*? Possibly. It still comes down to calories consumed compared to the amount of calories your body needs through the day/week/month/year. The best diet for each person is simply what they can stick to. For most of us it's simply smaller portions or lighter versions of our normal foods.
"The best diet for each person is simply what they can stick to."
Can this be MFP's new slogan?
And now that you mention it, the paleo debunking makes sense, because they all didn't have the same food sources... for some reason didn't consider that woops
I think often people come in here thinking they have to radically change their diet. I know I thought I couldn't have treats of any sort. Chicken, rice, vegetables, fruit and oatmeal. I also thought 1200 calories was enough and anything less than 2 pound loss per week was a failure.
Thankfully I eventually learned that setting MFP to lose a pound a week was more appropriate and there is no reason to feel guilty over having cake.
Finding what works and not beating yourself up I think are some of the hardest parts, for me anyway!
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Barbellarella_ wrote: »
Susan!
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lemurcat12 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Barbellarella_ wrote: »
Susan!
Flash from the past!
I bought in to it until I discovered that cutting too much fat and protein from my diet made my hair fall out (maybe that's why Susan wore a buzz cut), my skin was dry and wrinkly, and I was tired and hungry all of the time. Flash forward to the last year eating more balanced (for me this means 35%-35%-30% (carb, protein, fat)) and I am losing steadily, have plenty of energy and stamina, still have my waist length hair, and rarely am hungry.
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you should eat however makes you feel best. I would classify my diet as low fat, but I do eat fats. Just today I had-almond milk in my coffee,some almonds crushed into a salad,egg and cheese bake,and 1/2 a piece of chocolate cake.
Too much fat makes me feel unwell, and triggers heartburn for me.0
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