Calorie Counting 101

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  • bacardiandcoke2
    bacardiandcoke2 Posts: 1 Member
    I am struggling a bit when trying to cook a family meal and then work out the calorific value of a portion that I'm then going to eat.

    Also if I'm counting calories do Ignore the nutritional value on MFP ?
  • Momocushman
    Momocushman Posts: 1 Member
    vismal wrote: »
    Calorie Counting 101

    With the crazy amount of "I'm eating 1200 calories and I'm not losing weight" or "My weight loss has stalled" threads that get posted every day I decided to copy a calorie counting sticky I wrote for another forum. This is a guide to help ensure as much accuracy as possible when counting calories. It may seem OCD to some but for beginners I feel the more accurate they can be, the better. Before you post about how you can't count calories because of an ED, this thread isn't for you. If you have psychological issues with counting calories, simply don't. This thread is to help those who want to use calorie counting as a means to lose weight. It is based on the fact that if you eat less calories then you burn in a day you will lose weight. If you do not believe in this fact then please just don't post here. This thread is also not about how much you should eat and what you should eat. It is simply about how to accurately track what you do eat. Please keep the reply's to things that deal with calorie counting. If you want to talk about any of the aforementioned things, start a new thread.

    Logging foods: In the old days, to calorie count, we had to use paper and pencil. This is why programs like weight watchers became so popular. It essentially dumbed down calorie counting to a point system and made things easier to track. With the advent of software like Myfitnesspal, there is no need for the dumbing down. You can track calories, macro nutrients, micro nutrients, and exercise with very little hassle.

    To correctly implement calorie counting you must log everything you consume in a day that contains calories. This includes liquids and/or supplements that contain calories. Some people also log calorie free foods (gum, diet soda, black coffee, etc). Since they do not contain any calories, this is optional. They may however contain something that you want to track (vitamins, minerals, sodium).

    Weighing foods: You must weigh your foods! Do not estimate! Weigh everything on a kitchen scale. Preferably a digital scale that weighs in grams. Only liquids should be measured by volume (cups tablespoons, etc). On a package of oatmeal the label will usually say that a serving size is ½ cup. It will also have 40g in parentheses. Use a scale to weigh out 40 grams. You will find that if you dump oats into a ½ cup measuring cup that it won’t always equal 40 grams. This becomes more important with calorically dense food such as peanut butter. 1 tablespoon is usually 100 calories, however one can easily put 2-3 “tablespoons” worth of peanut butter on the end of a normal kitchen spoon. Instead weigh the peanut butter according to how many grams are in a serving. The same goes for scoopers found in supplements. One scoop of whey does not always equal 1 serving. Always weigh your whey! Here are some links to a couple of kitchen scales for purchase:
    http://www.amazon.com/EatSmart-Precision-Digital-Kitchen-Silver/dp/B001N07KUE/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1391480839&sr=8-5&keywords=eatsmart+scale
    http://www.amazon.com/Ozeri-Digital-Multifunction-Kitchen-Elegant/dp/B004164SRA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391480816&sr=8-1&keywords=food+scale

    [b[Handling foods with no nutritional information[/b]: Sometimes fruits, vegetables, and meats do not come with nutritional information. The USDA has a comprehensive list of nearly all fruits, vegetables, and many different cuts of meats in grams.

    http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/search/list

    Using myfitnesspal you can simply search the fruit, vegetable, or meat with “usda” afterwards to obtain the same nutritional information. When weighing meat, ALWAYS WEIGH IT RAW. The nutritional facts are based on the raw weight of meat unless packaging specifically states otherwise. This is true for just about any food you cook. If you are simply searching the database for a food with no nutritional information, be wise at what you pick. Don't pick the one option that is significantly lower in calories then all the others simply because it is. You must also be careful with the bar code scanner. Sometimes the scanner will not give you the correct product. Verify this whenever possible.

    Dining out: When dining out, attempt to find nutritional information on the restaurant you are at. Many larger chains have all that information available. Know that this is somewhat of an estimate as they are not weighing things to the gram in the kitchen. They also might be liberal with ingredients like butter and oil which can add up quickly. If the restaurant does not provide nutritional information for their meals, attempt to deconstruct your meal and track it piece by piece. If you want to be 100% accurate you can bring a scale to a restaurant. This not something I do as I don't often eat out, but depending on how accurate you wish to be, it is an option. It's worth considering if you eat out frequently.

    Accuracy: Accept the fact that you will never be 100% accurate. The FDA allows for up to a 20% margin of error with nutritional information. You must simply do the best you can possibly do to not let that margin grow any larger by estimating what you have eaten. Along these lines you will find products that claim to be zero calories like mustard, cooking spray, and many others. They actually have somewhere between 0-5 calories per serving. Because of rounding they can claim zero on the label. If you want to be precise, count them as 5 calories a serving. This is increasingly important if you consume these products frequently.

    Once you have a solid idea of what your daily/weekly consumption is like, it is easy to manipulate calories to fulfill whatever your goals may be. Before you decide that you need to increase or decrease calories to help accomplish goals, ask yourself “Am I tracking everything correctly?” Are you drinking something with calories and not counting it? Are you weighing everything to the gram? Are you having cheat days/meals that you are not tracking? If you answer yes to any of these then your caloric goals may be correct, you are simply not meeting them. Know that if you eat 1500 calories a day and have a once a week cheat day of 3000 calories you are effectively eating 1714 calories a day. This is why you need to track your cheat days. It's okay to have them but if you track them, you can prevent them from skewing your results.

    Tips:Here are some tips that I personally like to use in my own tracking of calories:

    When weighing condiments I zero the scale with the container sitting on the scale. I apply the condiments to my food. I then put the container back on the scale. It will read a negative number in grams. That is how much condiment I used. This does not work for aerosols like pam or whip cream.

    If my goal is weight loss and am going out to eat at a restaurant with no nutritional information, I reconstruct the meal in myfitnesspal and add 10% to the caloric total. This is in case I underestimated. Research shows humans are notorious at underestimating what they eat. In the rare case I overestimated the calories contained in the meal, I can enjoy a small extra deficit for the day. Even if they do provide nutritional information, this might be worth doing. Again, the chef is going to exercise portion control but he isn't weight his butter or your steak on a food scale and tracking to the gram.

    Myfitnesspal lets you enter in your own foods. If something is not in their database you can add it. I get my burritos from Chipotle the same way every time. They have all their nutritional information listed on their website. After I determine the values of my burrito I create the food in MFP and don’t have to bother with it next time. The same goes for Subway.

    If you want to weigh liquids, this site will help you based on what liquid you are weighing http://www.convert-me.com/en/convert/cooking/

    Final thoughts: Counting calories is in my opinion the best thing one can do to help lose weight. This guide was written to help you be as close to 100% accurate as possible. Some of you might not like the idea of bringing a food scale to a restaurant or weighing condiments. These things aren't musts. If you don’t want to do them then you must accept that you will be less accurate than if you had. If you are a bodybuilder preparing for a competition then you will want to be as accurate as humanly possible. If you are just trying to lose weight with no real deadlines and don’t mind if your diet takes a few weeks longer than planned, feel free to be a little less strict. If you find you are not losing weight despite the fact that your caloric intake is low enough that you should be, then you need to start considering doing things like weighing condiments. Only then can you be truly sure it is time to lower calories. I hope this guide helps you guys. Feel free to add your own tips and ask questions! Again, don't turn this into a debate about anything, that isn't the intention of this thread. Make sure your reply's are about calorie counting!

  • SmaugHugs
    SmaugHugs Posts: 60 Member
    I love using MFP for adding in my own recipes. It has helped me with tweaking the recipes to be more accommodating to my goals as well as seeing which ones I should cut out or find an alternative for.

    And thank you for this post, it is super helpful and I am so trying that condiment trick. I am just started on weighing what I eat as eyeing it is misleading and where I seem to be having problems.
  • MrM27 wrote: »
    Geez, you must have a never-ending supply of self-control and motivation to do something like this (weighing to the gram, always overestimating calorie amount, etc.).
    Time to start absorbing some of that self control and motivation.

    I needed to read that. Thanks :) this was really helpful! Thank you!
  • genie172
    genie172 Posts: 11 Member
    Ive just started my first ever diet and am finding the calorie counting quite difficult and long winded at the moment. But I will persevere as it has already made me aware of how much I overeat. The condiment thing is very useful tip as I would have just not bothered or perhaps underestimates
  • I am new to MFP and I must admit I am struggling with the calorie count at the moment. How are you meant to calorie count seasoning? I hate bland foods and I tend to season everything I eat but don't know how to account for it. Great post by the way very useful.
  • Ps: can i please add you as a friend. very useful memeber of MFP... would love to keep up with your posts
  • fatmelter8
    fatmelter8 Posts: 3 Member
    I usually try and over estimate on how much i consumed...ir when i have 100 cals left for the day, I don't try and fill it, assuming I more than likely ate a few extra bites at some point during the day....is this bad to do this way? Im new at this!!
  • Becka4Real
    Becka4Real Posts: 1,527 Member
    I lost 5 lbs (trying to lose 30lbs total) then weight loss stalled. This is a good reminder that maybe I'm underestimating. I'll try weighing to see if that gets me going in the right direction again.
  • malibu927
    malibu927 Posts: 17,562 Member
    fatmelter8 wrote: »
    I usually try and over estimate on how much i consumed...ir when i have 100 cals left for the day, I don't try and fill it, assuming I more than likely ate a few extra bites at some point during the day....is this bad to do this way? Im new at this!!

    If you're losing by doing this, then you're fine. If you hit a 4-6 week run of no loss, then you'll want to reevaluate how you're determining how much you're eating.
  • BethLiam1
    BethLiam1 Posts: 15 Member
    Great post.. I have been using cups for some and eyeballing others.. I have now ordered a scale and get it Saturday so as I do my meal prepping Sunday for the week everything will be packaged and weighed...

    I'm torn on the eating back calories from workouts.. And get conflicting ideas on this is there anywhere I can read up on the eating back topic?
  • Barbara0853
    Barbara0853 Posts: 4 Member
    I am doing weight watchers and today I ate exactly my 26 points plus but yet in calories I only had 1001 missing the 1200 mark all together. Any help or advice good or bad. I am going to ask at my meeting tomorrow also.
  • GreenValli
    GreenValli Posts: 1,054 Member
    I am new to MFP and I must admit I am struggling with the calorie count at the moment. How are you meant to calorie count seasoning? I hate bland foods and I tend to season everything I eat but don't know how to account for it. Great post by the way very useful.

    Kissmyabs,

    Good question! Most of the spices and seasonings do not have significant calories, so you do not have to count them. However, you may want to be careful with salt and items that are salty. They often make your body hold on to water and affect your weight loss.

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  • ryanbrowning115
    ryanbrowning115 Posts: 69 Member
    So helpful, thank you so much!
  • ryanbrowning115
    ryanbrowning115 Posts: 69 Member
    MrM27 wrote: »
    Geez, you must have a never-ending supply of self-control and motivation to do something like this (weighing to the gram, always overestimating calorie amount, etc.).
    Time to start absorbing some of that self control and motivation.

    I agree, I thought I was doing a pretty good job until I read this!
  • Sherriediva1
    Sherriediva1 Posts: 345 Member
    bump .... for later
  • top_mom
    top_mom Posts: 59 Member
    MFP has also set 1200 as calories for the day. Some days, not a problem.. other days, especially if I've been working out, I consume about 200 more than than but I make sure the calories come from a healthy source.
  • martpl81
    martpl81 Posts: 3 Member
    Great post mate. Thanks!
  • mamaomefo
    mamaomefo Posts: 418 Member
    Thank you for the information. I learn something new every day!
  • Great tips. It's not easy losing weight but with motivation, dedication and the my fitness app along with some encourage will get you through it. I have been using this app for 2 weeks and have lost 5 pounds. It definitely helps to keep track of what you eat daily. Good luck to everyone
  • I am new to all this (my first diet, god help me) and I am a bit confused about it all. I understand that if you burn off more calories than you eat you will loose weight (obviously) but is this the only way to loose weight? Surely if you eat the right things then the weight will drop off right? Even fruit and veggies have calories so if I had 1500 calories of fruit and veg but did no exercise then I should still loose weight. Please correct me if I am wrong
  • malibu927
    malibu927 Posts: 17,562 Member
    edited January 2015
    Mulfey36 wrote: »
    I am new to all this (my first diet, god help me) and I am a bit confused about it all. I understand that if you burn off more calories than you eat you will loose weight (obviously) but is this the only way to loose weight? Surely if you eat the right things then the weight will drop off right? Even fruit and veggies have calories so if I had 1500 calories of fruit and veg but did no exercise then I should still loose weight. Please correct me if I am wrong

    You can have 1500 calories of McDonalds and lose weight. The calorie deficit is all that matters; what you consume to get there matters for your health.
  • vismal
    vismal Posts: 2,463 Member
    Mulfey36 wrote: »
    I am new to all this (my first diet, god help me) and I am a bit confused about it all. I understand that if you burn off more calories than you eat you will loose weight (obviously) but is this the only way to loose weight? Surely if you eat the right things then the weight will drop off right? Even fruit and veggies have calories so if I had 1500 calories of fruit and veg but did no exercise then I should still loose weight. Please correct me if I am wrong
    If you burn 2000 calories each day, and you eat 2000 calories per day, no matter what you eat, you won't lose weight in the long run. You must create a calorie deficit. There is no way around that fact. Most people advocate eating mostly minimally processed, whole foods while enjoying more processed foods in moderation. Whether you eat 100 processed foods or none at all, you must eat less then you burn per day to lose weight.

  • SergeantSausage
    SergeantSausage Posts: 1,673 Member
    I started this app 20 days ago and only lost 5lbs. Am I doing something wrong. It says I'm not eating enough, but I don't feel like I'm starving myself. I work nights so it's hard to eat 3 regular meals a day. I feel like I nibble on food throughout the day. Any advice?

    "Only" ...

    Unrealistic expectations always lead to disappointment, right.

    That's more than a pound-and-a-half a week.

    You're doing fine.
  • SergeantSausage
    SergeantSausage Posts: 1,673 Member
    I know that a lot of places say it is unhealthy for the average person to consume less than 2,000 calories a day and could cause weight gain

    Lolwut ?!?!!

  • vismal wrote: »
    Mulfey36 wrote: »
    I am new to all this (my first diet, god help me) and I am a bit confused about it all. I understand that if you burn off more calories than you eat you will loose weight (obviously) but is this the only way to loose weight? Surely if you eat the right things then the weight will drop off right? Even fruit and veggies have calories so if I had 1500 calories of fruit and veg but did no exercise then I should still loose weight. Please correct me if I am wrong
    If you burn 2000 calories each day, and you eat 2000 calories per day, no matter what you eat, you won't lose weight in the long run. You must create a calorie deficit. There is no way around that fact. Most people advocate eating mostly minimally processed, whole foods while enjoying more processed foods in moderation. Whether you eat 100 processed foods or none at all, you must eat less then you burn per day to lose weight.

    Thanks for the advice, I understand it a bit better now. So in theory if I should be consuming 2500 calories a day but only consume 1500 I am creating a calorie deficit of 500 right? or is a calorie deficit when I consume 1500 calories but burn off 2000? Sorry I must sound a bit stupid but if I understand it better I should have a better chance in the long run. :lol:
  • vismal
    vismal Posts: 2,463 Member
    Mulfey36 wrote: »
    vismal wrote: »
    Mulfey36 wrote: »
    I am new to all this (my first diet, god help me) and I am a bit confused about it all. I understand that if you burn off more calories than you eat you will loose weight (obviously) but is this the only way to loose weight? Surely if you eat the right things then the weight will drop off right? Even fruit and veggies have calories so if I had 1500 calories of fruit and veg but did no exercise then I should still loose weight. Please correct me if I am wrong
    If you burn 2000 calories each day, and you eat 2000 calories per day, no matter what you eat, you won't lose weight in the long run. You must create a calorie deficit. There is no way around that fact. Most people advocate eating mostly minimally processed, whole foods while enjoying more processed foods in moderation. Whether you eat 100 processed foods or none at all, you must eat less then you burn per day to lose weight.

    Thanks for the advice, I understand it a bit better now. So in theory if I should be consuming 2500 calories a day but only consume 1500 I am creating a calorie deficit of 500 right? or is a calorie deficit when I consume 1500 calories but burn off 2000? Sorry I must sound a bit stupid but if I understand it better I should have a better chance in the long run. :lol:
    If you burn 2500 calories a day, and consume 1500 that would be a 1000 calorie deficit. The deficit is the difference between what you eat and what you burn.

  • crocky64
    crocky64 Posts: 93 Member
    I have been using scales since starting on MFP and its best ting I have done I also weigh liquid on the scales as 1g = 1 ml. For example 250 ml of water will = 200g no mater what the density wasn't sure at first but checked on line and seems to work well. I also have high blood pressure so keep an eye on my salt intake also cook almost everything from scratch so I know what's in my food. Chemicals in commercial food a labeled with different names so you can't be sure what's what hidden sugars are prob the worst.
  • crocky64
    crocky64 Posts: 93 Member
    Great topic btw thanks
  • hard4u2c
    hard4u2c Posts: 1 Member
    Thank you for your help it opened my eyes even more.