Why I believe diets dont work
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todd_83296
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when I was a teenager I believed if I eat little or nothing i would lose weight. the opposite happened because I would get so hungry I will eat anything or if I ate normally again I will put it all back on again.When I got older I decided to just eat a balanced diet with treats in it! I wanted to eat how a naturally slim person would eat and in 3 years at 5foot 2 I went from 67kg down to 47 kg. Now ive gained a bit up to around 53 kg because I binged eat out of stress. I want to get back to 47 kg by eating balanced again and allowing myself a treat here and there. I find if I dont treat myself I am more likely to binge eat because I feel deprived. Most of the time I try to add lots of fruit and veg, lean protein and healthy carbs in my diet. I no longer believe in any form of diet because I believe they dont work. 
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Welcome to MFP.
At 64 I too now know dieting does not work after 40 years of yo yo weight.
todd you are wise and I wish forty years ago I understood what you do at your age.
Now that I understand it is about one's eating lifestyle and not dieting my health has improved and 20 pounds have come off without ever going hungry or stomach making sounds like it was hungry.
In my case I was addicted to all kinds of carbs but especially with sugar/processed foods.
Best of luck with finding an eating lifestyle that stops the need to diet for life.
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todd_83296 wrote: »when I was a teenager I believed if I eat little or nothing i would lose weight. the opposite happened because I would get so hungry I will eat anything or if I ate normally again I will put it all back on again.When I got older I decided to just eat a balanced diet with treats in it! I wanted to eat how a naturally slim person would eat and in 3 years at 5foot 2 I went from 67kg down to 47 kg. Now ive gained a bit up to around 53 kg because I binged eat out of stress. I want to get back to 47 kg by eating balanced again and allowing myself a treat here and there. I find if I dont treat myself I am more likely to binge eat because I feel deprived. Most of the time I try to add lots of fruit and veg, lean protein and healthy carbs in my diet. I no longer believe in any form of diet because I believe they dont work.
What you just described? A diet.
Glad you found a diet style that works for you.0 -
All a diet is, is what you eat. Nothing complex. I can have a diet of pure pizza. Or a diet of balanced foods. Or a diet or just veggies and fruit. Dieting is just what you eat, when you change your diet, its just changing what you're eating for hopefully something healthier. Hence, dieting does work if done properly instead of eating take out every night.0
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OP, glad you have it sorted out for yourself. Ignore the noise, you can't post many things here without getting someone telling you that you are wrong.0
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prattiger65 wrote: »OP, glad you have it sorted out for yourself. Ignore the noise, you can't post many things here without getting someone telling you that you are wrong.
Who said he was wrong?0 -
Diet plans, like eating only 1000 calories, or South Beach, or Atkins, all have a low sustainability rate, for the reasons you mentioned.
It took me 30 years of "dieting" as the term is popularly used to understand that.
This time, I understand that I need to make healthy balanced choices I can live with for the rest of my life.
MFP helps because it makes the calorie calculation relatively easy (subject to the vagaries of just how accurate some of the data is or is not). The rest is portion control, and I've got a pretty good handle on that - and I understand that portion control is with me for as long as I am in control of my food choices.0 -
EmmaFitzwilliam wrote: »Diet plans, like eating only 1000 calories, or South Beach, or Atkins, all have a low sustainability rate, for the reasons you mentioned.
It took me 30 years of "dieting" as the term is popularly used to understand that.
This time, I understand that I need to make healthy balanced choices I can live with for the rest of my life.
MFP helps because it makes the calorie calculation relatively easy (subject to the vagaries of just how accurate some of the data is or is not). The rest is portion control, and I've got a pretty good handle on that - and I understand that portion control is with me for as long as I am in control of my food choices.
What's not sustainable about lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes etc?0 -
Reduced calorie diets do work, just hard to be dilligent 100 % of the time0
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »EmmaFitzwilliam wrote: »Diet plans, like eating only 1000 calories, or South Beach, or Atkins, all have a low sustainability rate, for the reasons you mentioned.
(Snip).
What's not sustainable about lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes etc?
What part of the above from my quote constitutes lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes, etc. ?
My whole point was that popular diets - which do not typically include a balance of lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes - are not sustainable and so fail.
Mindful, informed, healthy eating (including lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes) with portion control, to the degree necessary to the individual, is pretty much the only sustainable plan.
But it's not a "diet plan" as the term is *popularly* used (with the possible exception of the so-called "Mediterranean Diet").0 -
The south beach diet (which, btw, is based on the mediterranean diet) IS a diet based on lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes (and nuts and seeds etc...).EmmaFitzwilliam wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »EmmaFitzwilliam wrote: »Diet plans, like eating only 1000 calories, or South Beach, or Atkins, all have a low sustainability rate, for the reasons you mentioned.
(Snip).
What's not sustainable about lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes etc?
What part of the above from my quote constitutes lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes, etc. ?
My whole point was that popular diets - which do not typically include a balance of lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes - are not sustainable and so fail.
Mindful, informed, healthy eating (including lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes) with portion control, to the degree necessary to the individual, is pretty much the only sustainable plan.
But it's not a "diet plan" as the term is *popularly* used (with the possible exception of the so-called "Mediterranean Diet").
fwiw, it also doesn't require carb counting, or even calorie counting. The ONLY thing you're asked to count/measure are nuts, because they are calorically dense and easy to over eat.0 -
Right. South Beach is perfectly sustainable if you're willing to give up fruit, dairy, and grains for two weeks and never have white grains again.0
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Actually, phase one is OPTIONAL. And lord, 2 weeks? come on. And no, not dairy, if memory serves.EmmaFitzwilliam wrote: »Right. South Beach is perfectly sustainable if you're willing to give up fruit, dairy, and grains for two weeks and never have white grains again.
And no. It doesn't ask you to "never had white grains (whatever that means) again". It assumes you're an adult who makes choices. It simply suggests that enriched, bleached, refined white flour is less conducive to long term success than 100% whole wheat. It suggests you "avoid" (their words) white bread and other high glycemic load carbs during the weight loss phase.
Like a religion, it's okay if your views differ from it from time to time.
Then it suggests you eat them "rarely" (which, as best I can tell is what "moderation" means to many here). I'd assume if one ate white bread "within their macros and calories" they'd be just fine.
I'd assume if someone had 3 slices of dominos, or if someone has "half a donut" (which I see often here as an example "moderation" "if it fits your macros"), you'd be just fine.
Users make things black and white.
imho, phase 2 and 3 of SBD are a great set of training wheels for someone trying to learn to eat a healthy balanced diet. Just as MFP is a great set of training wheels for someone trying to learn portion control.
(for what it's worth, I lost my weight just before the *original* SBD book was published, but MAN did I learn a lot from it and from later editions, which of course incorporated new knowledge/info.)
ymmv. Do what makes sense for you. cheers0 -
Yup. Everyone has their own diet. But the word diet is attached to the notion of eating to lose weight. Dieting definitely does tend to mean "eating to lose weight." I much prefer to just refer to how I eat as my dietary lifestyle or just "this is what I eat" lol.iandrew124 wrote: »All a diet is, is what you eat. Nothing complex. I can have a diet of pure pizza. Or a diet of balanced foods. Or a diet or just veggies and fruit. Dieting is just what you eat, when you change your diet, its just changing what you're eating for hopefully something healthier. Hence, dieting does work if done properly instead of eating take out every night.
But you can very well eat take out nightly and lose weight, because CICO.
Probably the part where prescribed diets come with plenty of restrictions: you are told you can't eat more than x type of carby foods, or you can't eat "bad" carbs, or you have to eat low carb, or you can't eat 'bad food' that you actually like, etc. Any diet that isn't just "eat food that you enjoy in a way that you find sustainable, just make sure you eat a bit less food than you do now" is probably not going to be sustainable for a lot of people if they cannot include the foods or quantity of foods they want to.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »EmmaFitzwilliam wrote: »Diet plans, like eating only 1000 calories, or South Beach, or Atkins, all have a low sustainability rate, for the reasons you mentioned.
It took me 30 years of "dieting" as the term is popularly used to understand that.
This time, I understand that I need to make healthy balanced choices I can live with for the rest of my life.
MFP helps because it makes the calorie calculation relatively easy (subject to the vagaries of just how accurate some of the data is or is not). The rest is portion control, and I've got a pretty good handle on that - and I understand that portion control is with me for as long as I am in control of my food choices.
What's not sustainable about lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes etc?
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Actually, it's no different than "today I have x carbs left in my magical macros so "I can have half a donut".
Yup. Everyone has their own diet. But the word diet is attached to the notion of eating to lose weight. Dieting definitely does tend to mean "eating to lose weight." I much prefer to just refer to how I eat as my dietary lifestyle or just "this is what I eat" lol.iandrew124 wrote: »All a diet is, is what you eat. Nothing complex. I can have a diet of pure pizza. Or a diet of balanced foods. Or a diet or just veggies and fruit. Dieting is just what you eat, when you change your diet, its just changing what you're eating for hopefully something healthier. Hence, dieting does work if done properly instead of eating take out every night.
But you can very well eat take out nightly and lose weight, because CICO.
Probably the part where prescribed diets come with plenty of restrictions: you are told you can't eat more than x type of carby foods, or you can't eat "bad" carbs, or you have to eat low carb, or you can't eat 'bad food' that you actually like, etc. Any diet that isn't just "eat food that you enjoy in a way that you find sustainable, just make sure you eat a bit less food than you do now" is probably not going to be sustainable for a lot of people if they cannot include the foods or quantity of foods they want to.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »EmmaFitzwilliam wrote: »Diet plans, like eating only 1000 calories, or South Beach, or Atkins, all have a low sustainability rate, for the reasons you mentioned.
It took me 30 years of "dieting" as the term is popularly used to understand that.
This time, I understand that I need to make healthy balanced choices I can live with for the rest of my life.
MFP helps because it makes the calorie calculation relatively easy (subject to the vagaries of just how accurate some of the data is or is not). The rest is portion control, and I've got a pretty good handle on that - and I understand that portion control is with me for as long as I am in control of my food choices.
What's not sustainable about lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes etc?0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
The south beach diet (which, btw, is based on the mediterranean diet) IS a diet based on lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes (and nuts and seeds etc...).EmmaFitzwilliam wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »EmmaFitzwilliam wrote: »Diet plans, like eating only 1000 calories, or South Beach, or Atkins, all have a low sustainability rate, for the reasons you mentioned.
(Snip).
What's not sustainable about lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes etc?
What part of the above from my quote constitutes lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes, etc. ?
My whole point was that popular diets - which do not typically include a balance of lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes - are not sustainable and so fail.
Mindful, informed, healthy eating (including lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes) with portion control, to the degree necessary to the individual, is pretty much the only sustainable plan.
But it's not a "diet plan" as the term is *popularly* used (with the possible exception of the so-called "Mediterranean Diet").
fwiw, it also doesn't require carb counting, or even calorie counting. The ONLY thing you're asked to count/measure are nuts, because they are calorically dense and easy to over eat.
Quoting from its Wiki page:The South Beach Diet is a fad diet developed by Arthur Agatston and promoted in a best-selling 2003 book.[1][2] It emphasizes eating high-fiber, low-glycemic carbohydrates, unsaturated fats, and lean protein, and categorizes carbohydrates and fats as "good" or "bad".[3]
The South Beach Diet has some elements which are generally recognized as sensible, but also promises benefits not backed by supporting evidence or sound science.[2][4]
The diet has three stages, and gradually increases the proportion of carbohydate consumed as it progresses while simultaneously decreasing the proportions of fat and protein.[5] It includes a number of recommended foods such as lean meats and vegetables, and has a concept of "good" (mostly monounsaturated) fats.[5] It makes no restriction on calorie intake, includes an exercise program, and is based around taking three main meals and two snacks per day.[6]
All of this would make this diet unsustainable for me. Especially the categorizing part - I did this when I "ate clean" and it resulted in a terribly unhealthy relationship with food. Restricting the type of foods I could eat also led to binging.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
The south beach diet (which, btw, is based on the mediterranean diet) IS a diet based on lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes (and nuts and seeds etc...).EmmaFitzwilliam wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »EmmaFitzwilliam wrote: »Diet plans, like eating only 1000 calories, or South Beach, or Atkins, all have a low sustainability rate, for the reasons you mentioned.
(Snip).
What's not sustainable about lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes etc?
What part of the above from my quote constitutes lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes, etc. ?
My whole point was that popular diets - which do not typically include a balance of lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes - are not sustainable and so fail.
Mindful, informed, healthy eating (including lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes) with portion control, to the degree necessary to the individual, is pretty much the only sustainable plan.
But it's not a "diet plan" as the term is *popularly* used (with the possible exception of the so-called "Mediterranean Diet").
fwiw, it also doesn't require carb counting, or even calorie counting. The ONLY thing you're asked to count/measure are nuts, because they are calorically dense and easy to over eat.
Quoting from its Wiki page:The South Beach Diet is a fad diet developed by Arthur Agatston and promoted in a best-selling 2003 book.[1][2] It emphasizes eating high-fiber, low-glycemic carbohydrates, unsaturated fats, and lean protein, and categorizes carbohydrates and fats as "good" or "bad".[3]
The South Beach Diet has some elements which are generally recognized as sensible, but also promises benefits not backed by supporting evidence or sound science.[2][4]
The diet has three stages, and gradually increases the proportion of carbohydate consumed as it progresses while simultaneously decreasing the proportions of fat and protein.[5] It includes a number of recommended foods such as lean meats and vegetables, and has a concept of "good" (mostly monounsaturated) fats.[5] It makes no restriction on calorie intake, includes an exercise program, and is based around taking three main meals and two snacks per day.[6]
All of this would make this diet unsustainable for me. Especially the categorizing part - I did this when I "ate clean" and it resulted in a terribly unhealthy relationship with food. Restricting the type of foods I could eat also led to binging.
WIKIPEDIA. nuff said. It's not "its wiki page" it's wikipedia's wiki page.
As always ANA. I'm glad you've found what works FOR YOU.
And hope you're on a great HEALTHY journey.
carry on, by all means. I'm off to bed. cheers! :drinker:0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
The south beach diet (which, btw, is based on the mediterranean diet) IS a diet based on lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes (and nuts and seeds etc...).EmmaFitzwilliam wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »EmmaFitzwilliam wrote: »Diet plans, like eating only 1000 calories, or South Beach, or Atkins, all have a low sustainability rate, for the reasons you mentioned.
(Snip).
What's not sustainable about lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes etc?
What part of the above from my quote constitutes lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes, etc. ?
My whole point was that popular diets - which do not typically include a balance of lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes - are not sustainable and so fail.
Mindful, informed, healthy eating (including lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes) with portion control, to the degree necessary to the individual, is pretty much the only sustainable plan.
But it's not a "diet plan" as the term is *popularly* used (with the possible exception of the so-called "Mediterranean Diet").
fwiw, it also doesn't require carb counting, or even calorie counting. The ONLY thing you're asked to count/measure are nuts, because they are calorically dense and easy to over eat.
Quoting from its Wiki page:The South Beach Diet is a fad diet developed by Arthur Agatston and promoted in a best-selling 2003 book.[1][2] It emphasizes eating high-fiber, low-glycemic carbohydrates, unsaturated fats, and lean protein, and categorizes carbohydrates and fats as "good" or "bad".[3]
The South Beach Diet has some elements which are generally recognized as sensible, but also promises benefits not backed by supporting evidence or sound science.[2][4]
The diet has three stages, and gradually increases the proportion of carbohydate consumed as it progresses while simultaneously decreasing the proportions of fat and protein.[5] It includes a number of recommended foods such as lean meats and vegetables, and has a concept of "good" (mostly monounsaturated) fats.[5] It makes no restriction on calorie intake, includes an exercise program, and is based around taking three main meals and two snacks per day.[6]
All of this would make this diet unsustainable for me. Especially the categorizing part - I did this when I "ate clean" and it resulted in a terribly unhealthy relationship with food. Restricting the type of foods I could eat also led to binging.
WIKIPEDIA. nuff said. It's not "its wiki page" it's wikipedia's wiki page.
As always ANA. I'm glad you've found what works FOR YOU.
And hope you're on a great HEALTHY journey.
carry on, by all means. I'm off to bed. cheers! :drinker:
Yes, Wikipedia. I am not writing a scholarly paper, I am pulling quick info about a diet to get a summary of it. In fact, in my undergrad/graduate mixed 400-level navigation psychology course, generic info such as definitions or examples are pulled from Wikipedia and added to the slides in our lecture notes (as our lectures are based entirely off of scholarly papers, sometimes pulling more info from a simple Google search is required to simply make a concept better defined).
Your attempt at being condescending is very charming as well. It's actually kind of a bit sad that you think that bolding some words and inserting some emoticons somehow constitutes one-upping or beating the other person. Bravo?
Here is a link from the diet's official website telling me what I can and cannot eat on this diet:
content.everydayhealth.com/sbd2/cms/What-Can-I-Eat-Member.pdf
Really? You're saying that to lose weight and keep it off, I have to exclude foods even if I enjoy them? Well gosh darn it, I did that for 4 years and developed a significantly unhealthy relationship with food while regaining and losing the same 15lbs regularly! I also refused to eat out and I binged!
I can have beef, but only lean. No real bacon or high-fat cuts of meat?
I can have white meat but not dark meat? Dark meat wins hands down over breast any day of the week, although I do eat chicken breast far more simply because it's more convenient. I will gladly eat chicken thighs.
I can eat cheese but it has to be FAT-FREE or fat-reduced? Sorry, can only do low fat cheese for mozza, mostly because I don't like the taste of fattier mozza. I love me some full-fat cheddar now, though.
I can only eat max 100 calories of a "Sweet treat"?? Screw that, I want to be able to eat upwards of 300-400 if I really want to, because CICO and mental happiness. Plus SUGAR-FREE? I'm not my diabetic grandma.
Can't eat ANY FRUIT for Phase 1? That right there means I wouldn't even bother trying this diet.
Nothing in this diet seems to actually teach you about how food will affect weight gain, just that certain foods are "bad" and that this is why they should be avoided. Been there, done that, binged and yo-yoed.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Actually, it's no different than "today I have x carbs left in my magical macros so "I can have half a donut".
Yup. Everyone has their own diet. But the word diet is attached to the notion of eating to lose weight. Dieting definitely does tend to mean "eating to lose weight." I much prefer to just refer to how I eat as my dietary lifestyle or just "this is what I eat" lol.iandrew124 wrote: »All a diet is, is what you eat. Nothing complex. I can have a diet of pure pizza. Or a diet of balanced foods. Or a diet or just veggies and fruit. Dieting is just what you eat, when you change your diet, its just changing what you're eating for hopefully something healthier. Hence, dieting does work if done properly instead of eating take out every night.
But you can very well eat take out nightly and lose weight, because CICO.
Probably the part where prescribed diets come with plenty of restrictions: you are told you can't eat more than x type of carby foods, or you can't eat "bad" carbs, or you have to eat low carb, or you can't eat 'bad food' that you actually like, etc. Any diet that isn't just "eat food that you enjoy in a way that you find sustainable, just make sure you eat a bit less food than you do now" is probably not going to be sustainable for a lot of people if they cannot include the foods or quantity of foods they want to.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »EmmaFitzwilliam wrote: »Diet plans, like eating only 1000 calories, or South Beach, or Atkins, all have a low sustainability rate, for the reasons you mentioned.
It took me 30 years of "dieting" as the term is popularly used to understand that.
This time, I understand that I need to make healthy balanced choices I can live with for the rest of my life.
MFP helps because it makes the calorie calculation relatively easy (subject to the vagaries of just how accurate some of the data is or is not). The rest is portion control, and I've got a pretty good handle on that - and I understand that portion control is with me for as long as I am in control of my food choices.
What's not sustainable about lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes etc?
Except that in my scenario I'm not prohibiting the consumption of food based on its inherent nature of being x type of food. I have about 300-some calories left over and I already reached my protein needs. I really don't feel like eating more protein either, as I do want something sweet, so I probably will mostly eat some fruits and veggies. Which means I will be under fats today, but that's fine because I've been over on fats for a few days now.
Me being aware of my macros simply allows me to notice patterns and tailor my intake to my preferences. Such as noticing that I'm hungrier if my breakfast and lunch are too carb-heavy (lunch was too carb-heavy today, unfortunately). I also bought some jelly bellies today and ate more than a serving, because it fit with my calories. I might even have a few more. THat ish is tasty. Monitoring macros also enables me to better fuel my workouts and ideally maximize lean body retention while maximizing fat loss over lean body mass loss.
So basically... I'm just eating food I enjoy, a little bit less than I need to so that I can lose some weight, and being aware of their general breakdowns. Seems far more sustainable than having a list of foods I can and cannot eat with prescribed serving sizes I'm allowed to eat, especially when the diet places no emphasis on eating less than one burns.0 -
I'm not saying you HAVE to do anything ANA. In fact it doesn't seem like a good approach for YOU.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
The south beach diet (which, btw, is based on the mediterranean diet) IS a diet based on lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes (and nuts and seeds etc...).EmmaFitzwilliam wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »EmmaFitzwilliam wrote: »Diet plans, like eating only 1000 calories, or South Beach, or Atkins, all have a low sustainability rate, for the reasons you mentioned.
(Snip).
What's not sustainable about lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes etc?
What part of the above from my quote constitutes lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes, etc. ?
My whole point was that popular diets - which do not typically include a balance of lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes - are not sustainable and so fail.
Mindful, informed, healthy eating (including lean meats, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fruits, legumes) with portion control, to the degree necessary to the individual, is pretty much the only sustainable plan.
But it's not a "diet plan" as the term is *popularly* used (with the possible exception of the so-called "Mediterranean Diet").
fwiw, it also doesn't require carb counting, or even calorie counting. The ONLY thing you're asked to count/measure are nuts, because they are calorically dense and easy to over eat.
Quoting from its Wiki page:The South Beach Diet is a fad diet developed by Arthur Agatston and promoted in a best-selling 2003 book.[1][2] It emphasizes eating high-fiber, low-glycemic carbohydrates, unsaturated fats, and lean protein, and categorizes carbohydrates and fats as "good" or "bad".[3]
The South Beach Diet has some elements which are generally recognized as sensible, but also promises benefits not backed by supporting evidence or sound science.[2][4]
The diet has three stages, and gradually increases the proportion of carbohydate consumed as it progresses while simultaneously decreasing the proportions of fat and protein.[5] It includes a number of recommended foods such as lean meats and vegetables, and has a concept of "good" (mostly monounsaturated) fats.[5] It makes no restriction on calorie intake, includes an exercise program, and is based around taking three main meals and two snacks per day.[6]
All of this would make this diet unsustainable for me. Especially the categorizing part - I did this when I "ate clean" and it resulted in a terribly unhealthy relationship with food. Restricting the type of foods I could eat also led to binging.
WIKIPEDIA. nuff said. It's not "its wiki page" it's wikipedia's wiki page.
As always ANA. I'm glad you've found what works FOR YOU.
And hope you're on a great HEALTHY journey.
carry on, by all means. I'm off to bed. cheers! :drinker:
Yes, Wikipedia. I am not writing a scholarly paper, I am pulling quick info about a diet to get a summary of it. In fact, in my undergrad/graduate mixed 400-level navigation psychology course, generic info such as definitions or examples are pulled from Wikipedia and added to the slides in our lecture notes (as our lectures are based entirely off of scholarly papers, sometimes pulling more info from a simple Google search is required to simply make a concept better defined).
Your attempt at being condescending is very charming as well. It's actually kind of a bit sad that you think that bolding some words and inserting some emoticons somehow constitutes one-upping or beating the other person. Bravo?
Here is a link from the diet's official website telling me what I can and cannot eat on this diet:
content.everydayhealth.com/sbd2/cms/What-Can-I-Eat-Member.pdf
Really? You're saying that to lose weight and keep it off, I have to exclude foods even if I enjoy them? Well gosh darn it, I did that for 4 years and developed a significantly unhealthy relationship with food while regaining and losing the same 15lbs regularly! I also refused to eat out and I binged!
I can have beef, but only lean. No real bacon or high-fat cuts of meat?
I can have white meat but not dark meat? Dark meat wins hands down over breast any day of the week, although I do eat chicken breast far more simply because it's more convenient. I will gladly eat chicken thighs.
I can eat cheese but it has to be FAT-FREE or fat-reduced? Sorry, can only do low fat cheese for mozza, mostly because I don't like the taste of fattier mozza. I love me some full-fat cheddar now, though.
I can only eat max 100 calories of a "Sweet treat"?? Screw that, I want to be able to eat upwards of 300-400 if I really want to, because CICO and mental happiness. Plus SUGAR-FREE? I'm not my diabetic grandma.
Can't eat ANY FRUIT for Phase 1? That right there means I wouldn't even bother trying this diet.
Nothing in this diet seems to actually teach you about how food will affect weight gain, just that certain foods are "bad" and that this is why they should be avoided. Been there, done that, binged and yo-yoed.
As always ANA, best of luck on your INDIVIDUAL journey.
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Well, not dieting isn't working out too well either for the vast majority.0
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neanderthin wrote: »Well, not dieting isn't working out too well either for the vast majority.
Nope. Including on here.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »imho, phase 2 and 3 of SBD are a great set of training wheels for someone trying to learn to eat a healthy balanced diet.
What is "healthy"? What is "balanced"?
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missiontofitness wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »imho, phase 2 and 3 of SBD are a great set of training wheels for someone trying to learn to eat a healthy balanced diet.
What is "healthy"? What is "balanced"?
Lol.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »missiontofitness wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »imho, phase 2 and 3 of SBD are a great set of training wheels for someone trying to learn to eat a healthy balanced diet.
What is "healthy"? What is "balanced"?
Lol.
It was a legitimate question.
Everyone has a different definition of it on this site.0 -
missiontofitness wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »missiontofitness wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »imho, phase 2 and 3 of SBD are a great set of training wheels for someone trying to learn to eat a healthy balanced diet.
What is "healthy"? What is "balanced"?
Lol.
It was a legitimate question.
Everyone has a different definition of it on this site.
Indeed they do.
ok. Off the top of my head:
Healthy: a good mix of nutrient dense foods (micro nutrients). Leafy greens, legumes, nuts and seeds, adequate protein, whole grains. Snacks and treats that are truly snacks and treats.
Balanced: reasonable macros. some 40/30/30 type combo (or something close) that happens "organically". Eating within reason most of the time (i.e. not binging/purging and what not).
Do I think anyone eats "healthy" 24/7/365? Of course not. I do believe it helps to know what's healthy.
have at it.
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