Veganism?
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You can lose a ton of weight by dropping dairy & excess animal products.
Watch "Forks Over Knives"!!!!
My husband lost 25 pounds just by going vegetarian - no exercise, no dieting, no counting calories - he just quit meats & soda.
"Needing Protein" is a ridiculous statement. Protein is found in plants. Complete amino acids can easily & simply be eaten with beans, peas, and other foods.
- Having recently been pregnant, I still eat fish a few times a month, and if I'm out & about I've eaten turkey. However, I attribute our diet which prioritizes fruits, vegetables, beans instead of fatty fatty burgers & bacon with our health.
- Veganism is a challenge though, and I would not attempt it along with weight loss. I would attempt not eating pigs, cows, chicken, milk, and cheese. Then you can see if you want to incorporate other facets into your life. I love animals too & feel a lot less guilty when I make other choices.
- Also, almost all Americans get excess protein, which is linked to many health problems. We are deficient in many other things- potassium, vitamin A, vitamin C, fiber - many other nutrients which should be attained by eating more fruits & veggies. No one ever went to the emergency room from eating too many vegetables, but they sure land there from eating too much fatty meat!
The very real risks of consuming too much protein: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/09/03/too-much-protein.aspx
Missing nutrients in the standard american diet:
http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/missing-nutrients-in-your-food
Not really.
I'm not going to find 120g of protein from eating plants, at least not if I want to stay within my calories.
So... did they wind up in the ER because of the protein, or because of the fat?
You do realize that protein from animal sources is not exclusive to "fatty fatty burgers" and bacon. I use ground beef that has only 10g of fat and 20g of protein for under 200 calories worth of meat. Which is about the same macro breakdown for salmon, and gosh darn it, those websites sure like to tell us we should be eating fish like salmon a few times a week!
Your husband lost 25lbs because his exclusionary/restrictive dietary intake resulted in an unintentional/unmonitored drop in calories. He could have done the same by cutting out all carb sources (including veggies and fruit). He ain't no special snowflake.
So yeah, bunch of hooey in your post. If one has ethical or religious reasons for going vegan, I'm down. If they think it will make them somehow way healthier than anyone else because "omg woo woo meat is gonna kill everyone" then yeah, no. Remember when fat was demonized to all hell and people thought dietary fat makes people fat? Remember how that ideology eventually fell out of favour and got replaced by carb fear? Apparently now protein fear? Soon it will be excessive vitamin intake fear. Apples will kill us all.
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Why people gotta get so uppity? To each their own right? I don't hear people argue half as much about what kind of music they like as they do about the food they eat.0
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I don't think I could ever go vegan myself, but am kind of heading that way. I am trying not to eat processed or cured meat. Eventually I want to raise my own food, so I know what it is fed and how it is raised, and how it is killed. I want to keep my own bees like my grandparents did. I support farm sharing for raw milk, and investigate my meat sources. I don't like wondering how my meat was treated. I do think there is a correlation between what you eat, and what you eat eats. The stuff that is fed to cows and pigs is pretty disgusting, same with farmed fish and chicken. Plus what they do with all the excrement is pretty horrible. I have drove by the huge feedlot in the middle of NE a few times and feel sorry for residents around there.0
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Congrats on considering veganism for animal rights! Though as others have said, if you're doing it solely for weight loss, there are probably better methods. You can certainly lose weight on a vegan diet, same as you can on any diet, if you watch what you eat. Vegan baked goodies and creamy pastas still exist!
Be aware that getting enough vitamin B12 is a challenge for vegans, as can be the obvious iron. Protein shouldn't be a problem if you're smart about your food choices.
I jumped on the veganism train at the start of the year, and have lost about 2 pounds so far - mostly, I suspect, because I gave up my beloved croissants, haha! My parents have been vegan for a good 20 years or so, and are in excellent health. But my mother only lost a lot of weight when she quit carbs, so make of that what you will.0 -
I like to hunt them down and shoot them myself. It's a fun hobby with the benefit of eating them, too. Animals taste good.0
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Meat is good for you. I have a hard time with people saying that they are not eating meat because of animal rights when they are in opposition to human rights. From the perspective of what is best for animals and the environment, it is necessary to kill wild animals in moderation to reduce starvation and disease. Among farm raised animals, there are many species that do well and thrive because we eat them for meat that would likely go extinct if there weren't people taking care of them to provide a food source. (Sheep, for example.)0
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SergeantSausage wrote: »I like to hunt them down and shoot them myself. It's a fun hobby with the benefit of eating them, too. Animals taste good.
I'm going to get tossed out of the vegan community for saying this......but.....I completely respect people who hunt for their food. To me it's different, that animal was out there living its happy (or otherwise, nature is cruel) animal life before you went out and killed it.
It wasn't standing in its own filth in a feedlot, or have its beak clipped, or stuck in a cage too small, etc......My main issue is with factory farming.
There I said it..... I'm going to turn in my vegan membership card now....
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I was a vegetarian for 5 years and when I first switched to the diet I lost some weight, but it was never my reason. A fantastic side effect was my health, I did not get sick once during those 5 years, not even a cold. I did it with the help of the book Skinny *kitten*, I highly recommend it. Also if you are looking for tasty vegan recipes the restaurant Vedge put out a cook book that is just fantastic. I just got it and have been cooking from it every chance I get. The dishes are tasty and innovative.0
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Vegan here! I'm vegan for ethical reasons primarily, health reasons secondary. I've been vegetarian for five years, vegan for one. Being a vegan doesn't have to be heard, just remember to read and learn. It isn't for everyone, but if you do like the moral side to it, try it! Worst thing that happens is you don't like it. Insider tip: PETA sucks, don't just on the PETA wagon.
Now, you CAN be a healthy vegan, and it isn't hard, just eat fruits, veggies, beans, and whole grains. (Again, read read read.) But it's also easy to be a junk food vegetarian. I gained weight when I first switched, because Oreos, french fries, and coke are all vegan, and I hated vegetables. White bread and ketchup sandwich, anyone?
Some great resources are Forks Over Knives, Crazy Sexy Diet (Kris is amazing, but a little out there) Eat To Live, and the McDougall books.
Best of luck, and if you need a friend for motivation, feel free to add me!
Also, I want to address and earlier comment, not all vegans are preachy. (Again, PETA sucks) I live with my carnivore mother, sister, and am dating a carnivore, and I never try and convert them. Different strokes for different folks.0 -
Laurend224 wrote: »SergeantSausage wrote: »I like to hunt them down and shoot them myself. It's a fun hobby with the benefit of eating them, too. Animals taste good.
I'm going to get tossed out of the vegan community for saying this......but.....I completely respect people who hunt for their food. To me it's different, that animal was out there living its happy (or otherwise, nature is cruel) animal life before you went out and killed it.
It wasn't standing in its own filth in a feedlot, or have its beak clipped, or stuck in a cage too small, etc......My main issue is with factory farming.
There I said it..... I'm going to turn in my vegan membership card now....
Then I suppose I have to turn it in with you, because I don't have an issue with hunters/fishers anyway. Maybe it's a by product of being raise in Alabama where you entire family hunts. I'd rather someone hunt their food than get it from a factory farm as well!
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Laurend224 wrote: »SergeantSausage wrote: »I like to hunt them down and shoot them myself. It's a fun hobby with the benefit of eating them, too. Animals taste good.
I'm going to get tossed out of the vegan community for saying this......but.....I completely respect people who hunt for their food. To me it's different, that animal was out there living its happy (or otherwise, nature is cruel) animal life before you went out and killed it.
It wasn't standing in its own filth in a feedlot, or have its beak clipped, or stuck in a cage too small, etc......My main issue is with factory farming.
There I said it..... I'm going to turn in my vegan membership card now....
Then I suppose I have to turn it in with you, because I don't have an issue with hunters/fishers anyway. Maybe it's a by product of being raise in Alabama where you entire family hunts. I'd rather someone hunt their food than get it from a factory farm as well!
I'm in Alabama too! Although I've only been here for 8 years, I'm really a d@mn Yankee!0 -
Laurend224 wrote: »SergeantSausage wrote: »I like to hunt them down and shoot them myself. It's a fun hobby with the benefit of eating them, too. Animals taste good.
I'm going to get tossed out of the vegan community for saying this......but.....I completely respect people who hunt for their food. To me it's different, that animal was out there living its happy (or otherwise, nature is cruel) animal life before you went out and killed it.
It wasn't standing in its own filth in a feedlot, or have its beak clipped, or stuck in a cage too small, etc......My main issue is with factory farming.
There I said it..... I'm going to turn in my vegan membership card now....
No, this is just why you are an eminently-sensible vegan.
I think the concept of "animal rights" is rather bizarre if you think about what we mean by human rights or, especially, "rights" in the US (the Enlightenment concept of natural rights). However, I am bothered by various aspects of factory farming personally (I do admit that part of this is fetishization of local farms and having a family history not that long removed from farming) so it's not hard for me to understand how vegans could be bothered by the broader use of animals for food, etc., even though I am not. (I was also raised in an area where hunting was common and think the weirdest--well, not weird, but inconsistent--combination is people who happily eat meat from wherever but think hunting is unpleasant, who you sometimes find around here.)
I don't think that means animals have "rights" in the sense that we normally talk about rights, which seems rather human specific (or aliens with similar qualities).
And, yes, I've read Peter Singer.0 -
Laurend224 wrote: »I gained weight when I transitioned. If your motivation is purely for health, or you buy into the bunk that PETA spews about effortless weight loss as a vegan, I would skip it. You can be a healthy omnivore, and will have a much easier time hitting all your macros.
If you are coming at it from an ethical standpoint, go for it. You can join us in the Happy Herbivore or Team Vegan groups.
And, fair warning, there is no good vegan sub for bacon.
This. Vegan does not equal skinny, hot bod. If you're doing it to lose weight, eat less move more. If you're doing it because you feel it's the right thing to do ethically, then go for it.0 -
I've never checked the community out before so this is my first post, hi everyone!
I don't like to label myself based on the types of foods I put in my body and I don't identify fully with either vegan or vegetarian so I just tell ppl I don't eat meat and I limit my animal product consumption. I try to live as ethically as possible when it comes to the environment (it's not just poor animals it's also poor planet).
That being said I gained soo much weight when I first ventured into this ethical life style. I basically ate bread, and pasta, and pizza, and a lot of other take out crap. I didn't know how to cook for my new diet so I found myself eating a lot of pizza which was cool because it's my fave food. Until all of a sudden I was 25lbs heavier than my lowest post pardom weight.
What I would reccomend to anyone interested in a diet that is restrictive is to build a little tool belt before you dive in and feel stuck. Find recipes and try them while you're still eating whatever it is you no longer want to eat. Make meal plans and find ways to get what you need. You'll need to concern yourself with b vitamins, not just protein. That stuff is easy to find, b vitamins... Not so much. Pick some of your favourites for when you're feeling down about these new restrictions. You'll need something that makes you feel good about what you're doing and something that's super tasty. I found that if you slice a zuccini and use that as the crust of your pizza and add a ton of veggies it really tastes awesome. So when I was sad I couldn't have pizza I'd make zuccini pizzas.
@Laurend224 like you I'm not into factory farming so when I plan my next pregnancy my dad and I are going to hunt a deer/moose and he's going to fix it up for me so that I can eat it in moderation throughout my pregnancy.
I've read some compelling studies that make a strong case for the need for meat in regards to fetal brain development.
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He, I'm also eating plantbased. I'm still overweight, but that is cause I have a food addiction and tend to 'overeat' on unhealthy things. Reason I wanna track here is to stay carbed up (as they call it) and make sure I will start loosing weight again (what happens when I eat oke)...
You can most definitely join for weightloss.
See China study, Dr McDougall (with lot of testemonies of weightloss!), but also great athletes are vegan (and no, nog overweight at all), see Scott Jurek, No meat Athlete (don't remember his name so quickly, but he has a page)... see also vegan bodybuilders, also a page... They don't look like they didnt have enough protein 0 -
Laurend224 wrote: »SergeantSausage wrote: »I like to hunt them down and shoot them myself. It's a fun hobby with the benefit of eating them, too. Animals taste good.
I'm going to get tossed out of the vegan community for saying this......but.....I completely respect people who hunt for their food. To me it's different, that animal was out there living its happy (or otherwise, nature is cruel) animal life before you went out and killed it.
It wasn't standing in its own filth in a feedlot, or have its beak clipped, or stuck in a cage too small, etc......My main issue is with factory farming.
There I said it..... I'm going to turn in my vegan membership card now....
Nope. I respect this as well. I'm a wanna be vegan, married to a vegetarian who was raised by vegans and I bet they would ALL respect that to some extent.0 -
It's only good for health and weight loss if you eat a predominantly PLANT BASED (vegetables, fruits, nuts, seeds, legumes) diet rather than a mostly refined carbs (enriched, bleached white bread, sugar etc) diet.TheSheepFollower wrote: »I was thinking about becoming a vegan? What are your opinions? My first motivator was animal rights, but then I heard it was good for health and weight loss. What do you think? And tips would be appreciated.
If you eat mostly plants (vegetables, fruits, nuts, seeds, legumes) and watch your portions, then you probably would lose weight, and it probably would be healthy.0 -
LowCarbHeart wrote: »My friend at work is an aspiring vegan and she highly recommends the book Eat to Live by Dr. Joel Fuhrman. We make for an odd pair because I follow the Atkins lifestyle and was reading The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Keith at the same time she was reading Eat to Live, lol. Both great books and both authors advocate for less sugar and processed foods.
How can you be an aspiring vegan? Aren't you like.. either one or not one?
Easily.0 -
He, I'm also eating plantbased. I'm still overweight, but that is cause I have a food addiction and tend to 'overeat' on unhealthy things. Reason I wanna track here is to stay carbed up (as they call it) and make sure I will start loosing weight again (what happens when I eat oke)...
You can most definitely join for weightloss.
See China study, Dr McDougall (with lot of testemonies of weightloss!), but also great athletes are vegan (and no, nog overweight at all), see Scott Jurek, No meat Athlete (don't remember his name so quickly, but he has a page)... see also vegan bodybuilders, also a page... They don't look like they didnt have enough protein
They aren't overweight because they are burning (and eating) a crazy high amount of calories, as most endurance athletes do. Not because they are vegan
You can be overweight by overeating 'healthy' food. If you can manage to put yourself in a caloric surplus by eating broccoli (and only broccoli) you will gain weight.
I did it with bananas once. (Don't judge me ) 0 -
Liftng4Lis wrote: »Why?
This. I need protein, I like protein, I like meat. Sorry for animals and all that, but you know.. food chain and all. Feeling bad about animals I eat isn't on my list of life priorities, despite what a classmate in 8th grade thought when showing me her PETA pamphlet.Animals are delicious.
Unless there are religious and actual moral reasons for your choice, and not just "hm I'm thinking about it because idk, maybe animal rights or something?" then just eat the meat. Your post sure doesn't sound like your convictions are all that strong.
Not that it matters in the slightest to you, but I logged my nutrients on Thursday, and I had 109 grams of protein (1542 calories, not a run day) on an ENTIRELY plant based (including my chardonnay)
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »Why?
This. I need protein, I like protein, I like meat. Sorry for animals and all that, but you know.. food chain and all. Feeling bad about animals I eat isn't on my list of life priorities, despite what a classmate in 8th grade thought when showing me her PETA pamphlet.Animals are delicious.
Unless there are religious and actual moral reasons for your choice, and not just "hm I'm thinking about it because idk, maybe animal rights or something?" then just eat the meat. Your post sure doesn't sound like your convictions are all that strong.
Not that it matters in the slightest to you, but I logged my nutrients on Thursday, and I had 109 grams of protein (1542 calories, not a run day) on an ENTIRELY plant based (including my chardonnay)
Just a question - on your entirely plant based day there appears to be an 8oz sirloin mentioned. I thought sirloin was beef?!! Please excuse me if I'm incorrect, is there a vegan equivalent, like mushrooms or something?0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »Why?
This. I need protein, I like protein, I like meat. Sorry for animals and all that, but you know.. food chain and all. Feeling bad about animals I eat isn't on my list of life priorities, despite what a classmate in 8th grade thought when showing me her PETA pamphlet.Animals are delicious.
Unless there are religious and actual moral reasons for your choice, and not just "hm I'm thinking about it because idk, maybe animal rights or something?" then just eat the meat. Your post sure doesn't sound like your convictions are all that strong.
Not that it matters in the slightest to you, but I logged my nutrients on Thursday, and I had 109 grams of protein (1542 calories, not a run day) on an ENTIRELY plant based (including my chardonnay)
It looks like you got 59g from plants and 50g from meat.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »Why?
This. I need protein, I like protein, I like meat. Sorry for animals and all that, but you know.. food chain and all. Feeling bad about animals I eat isn't on my list of life priorities, despite what a classmate in 8th grade thought when showing me her PETA pamphlet.Animals are delicious.
Unless there are religious and actual moral reasons for your choice, and not just "hm I'm thinking about it because idk, maybe animal rights or something?" then just eat the meat. Your post sure doesn't sound like your convictions are all that strong.
Not that it matters in the slightest to you, but I logged my nutrients on Thursday, and I had 109 grams of protein (1542 calories, not a run day) on an ENTIRELY plant based (including my chardonnay)
Just a question - on your entirely plant based day there appears to be an 8oz sirloin mentioned. I thought sirloin was beef?!! Please excuse me if I'm incorrect, is there a vegan equivalent, like mushrooms or something?
ha! wrong day posted! hold pls!0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »Why?
This. I need protein, I like protein, I like meat. Sorry for animals and all that, but you know.. food chain and all. Feeling bad about animals I eat isn't on my list of life priorities, despite what a classmate in 8th grade thought when showing me her PETA pamphlet.Animals are delicious.
Unless there are religious and actual moral reasons for your choice, and not just "hm I'm thinking about it because idk, maybe animal rights or something?" then just eat the meat. Your post sure doesn't sound like your convictions are all that strong.
Not that it matters in the slightest to you, but I logged my nutrients on Thursday, and I had 109 grams of protein (1542 calories, not a run day) on an ENTIRELY plant based (including my chardonnay)
Just a question - on your entirely plant based day there appears to be an 8oz sirloin mentioned. I thought sirloin was beef?!! Please excuse me if I'm incorrect, is there a vegan equivalent, like mushrooms or something?
Nope a vegan equivalent would be tofu or seitan. (Preferably with mushroom gravy) 0 -
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Beef eats plants, so isn't that close enough?0
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I don't know how to post my print screen, but I got 91 from protein so far... Without focussing on it. By the way, your body uses up to 95% of damaged Amino-accids again, so the use of protein is highly overrated most of the time 0
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Laurend224 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »Why?
This. I need protein, I like protein, I like meat. Sorry for animals and all that, but you know.. food chain and all. Feeling bad about animals I eat isn't on my list of life priorities, despite what a classmate in 8th grade thought when showing me her PETA pamphlet.Animals are delicious.
Unless there are religious and actual moral reasons for your choice, and not just "hm I'm thinking about it because idk, maybe animal rights or something?" then just eat the meat. Your post sure doesn't sound like your convictions are all that strong.
Not that it matters in the slightest to you, but I logged my nutrients on Thursday, and I had 109 grams of protein (1542 calories, not a run day) on an ENTIRELY plant based (including my chardonnay)
Just a question - on your entirely plant based day there appears to be an 8oz sirloin mentioned. I thought sirloin was beef?!! Please excuse me if I'm incorrect, is there a vegan equivalent, like mushrooms or something?
Nope a vegan equivalent would be tofu or seitan. (Preferably with mushroom gravy)
Hey, I said I was aspiring lol. We had a coupon to a steak house. and MAN was that good.0
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