starvation mode might be a myth

Selina_Kyle_60
Selina_Kyle_60 Posts: 41 Member
edited November 12 in Health and Weight Loss
ok I know this might be controversial but I was curious. I was wondering if my weight loss was stalling bc I was not eating enough. so I was looking online to find info about the starvation mode theory and this is one persons opinion. Im not saying I agree but its interesting. By the way I found very similar info on several sites, so Im really questioning this


"So what is the Starvation Mode Myth? It goes like this: "If you don't eat enough, you won't lose weight!" Okay, so all I have to do to lose weight is ... eat more food! Wow, isn't that awesome? If I stall out at 800 calories, I'll just go up to 1000. And if I stall at 1000, I'll go to 1200. If that doesn't work, how about 1500? 1800? 2200? Oh wait, when I ate 2200 calories, I weighed 223 pounds. Okay, that's not going to work. But what if I just don't go below the magic "1200" that "everyone" says "no one" should go below? That must be what they mean by "starvation mode," right? If I stay at 1200, I will lose weight but if I go below that, I won't. The problem with this idea is that, if it were true, no one would die from starvation and obviously people do. Clearly, even if you eat what is obviously too few calories to be healthy, such as an anorexic does, you will continue to lose weight. So where did this idea -- that not eating enough calories makes you not lose weight -- come from? It started with the famous Minnesota starvation study. Some normal-weighted men agreed to live on a compound where their exercise and diet was strictly controlled. For portions of the study, they were on a "starvation diet" which is defined as 50% of the calories your body needs to function. For me, these days, that's about 750-850 calories a day. So I was on a starvation diet up for the first four months after my surgery. Yet I lost weight just fine during that period -- better than fine, really. Most of the people on The Biggest Loser are also on starvation diets, from what I can tell. They may eat a lot more than I do but they also exercise strenuously 6-8 hours a day. So they are often below 50% of their calorie expenditure for the day. They seem to lose just fine too. How can this be?! The answer lies in what actually happened to the Minnesota guys when they were on their starvation diets. Like most of us on a diet, their metabolisms did slow down. In fact, after they'd been on this diet for a while -- we're talking months, not days here -- their body fat percentage got to a point below what is considered minimal to live on (about 5% for a guy, 6% for a gal). At this point, their metabolism had slowed down as much as 40%. But -- and this is the important point for those of us on a diet -- they continued to lose weight. Even with that big of a slow down in their BMR (Basal Metabolic Rate), they were still operating at a great enough calorie deficit to lose. If this is true with a 40% slow down, it's even more true when the slow down is somewhere in the 14 - 22% range, which is more where if falls with normal dieting."
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  • Selina_Kyle_60
    Selina_Kyle_60 Posts: 41 Member
    y is there so much confusion about weight loss :#
  • keziak1
    keziak1 Posts: 204 Member
    I just saw a throw-away comment by a "nutrition expert" in "Health" magazine that the body will break down muscle for fuel after....missing one meal. WHAT?
  • ILiftHeavyAcrylics
    ILiftHeavyAcrylics Posts: 27,732 Member
    edited February 2015
    That is true regarding the Minnesota Starvation experiment. If you're interested in reading more you can find some good info here:

    http://jn.nutrition.org/content/135/6/1347.full

    The full version is free, which is nice.

    eta: standard disclaimer-- that doesn't mean it's a good idea to eat so low
  • brianpperkins
    brianpperkins Posts: 6,124 Member
    y is there so much confusion about weight loss :#

    Because too many people don't trust science and would rather believe myths like detoxes, cleanses, starvation mode, HRM marketing, etc.
  • TimothyFish
    TimothyFish Posts: 4,925 Member
    Starvation mode is your body shutting down lower priority functions to conserve energy when it isn't getting enough food. That does exist. What doesn't happen is this idea that your body can continue to function normally but hold onto fat because you aren't eating enough. In starvation mode, you continue to lose weight, but you lack energy and you harm your body.
  • elphie754
    elphie754 Posts: 7,574 Member
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  • Liftng4Lis
    Liftng4Lis Posts: 15,151 Member
    elphie754 wrote: »
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    well, this was unexpected. laughssssss, made my whole day!
  • many_splendored
    many_splendored Posts: 113 Member
    All I know is that if I don't eat enough, I will have a splitting headache and get angry.
  • mccindy72
    mccindy72 Posts: 7,001 Member
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  • Liftng4Lis
    Liftng4Lis Posts: 15,151 Member
    mccindy72 wrote: »
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    snort
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    Op it might behoove you to use the handy dandy search feature and find the thousands of posts on this topic before posting another starvation mode thread
  • SergeantSausage
    SergeantSausage Posts: 1,673 Member
    edited February 2015
    "might be"

    LOL
  • SergeantSausage
    SergeantSausage Posts: 1,673 Member
    keziak1 wrote: »
    I just saw a throw-away comment by a "nutrition expert" in "Health" magazine that the body will break down muscle for fuel after....missing one meal. WHAT?

    The body breaks down muscle continuously - you don't even need to miss a single meal.

    The key is in the when and how it gets replaced.

  • mccindy72
    mccindy72 Posts: 7,001 Member
    All I know is that if I don't eat enough, I will have a splitting headache and get angry.

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  • Arliah
    Arliah Posts: 266 Member
    mccindy72 wrote: »
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    All I can say is: I hope this picture is fake.
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  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    Arliah wrote: »
    mccindy72 wrote: »
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    All I can say is: I hope this picture is fake.

    Me too @Arliah‌ .That cow looks like it's still alive. Not funny at all :disappointed:
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    Arliah wrote: »
    mccindy72 wrote: »
    89d.gif
    All I can say is: I hope this picture is fake.

    I think it is from that Jim Carey movie , so yes fake
  • ILiftHeavyAcrylics
    ILiftHeavyAcrylics Posts: 27,732 Member
    Cliffs are:

    Starvation mode is not real because people still starve to death and the Minnesota Starvation Experiment showed only a 40% decline in metabolism, which means the participants still lost weight.
  • elphie754
    elphie754 Posts: 7,574 Member
    Arliah wrote: »
    mccindy72 wrote: »
    89d.gif
    All I can say is: I hope this picture is fake.

    Me too @Arliah‌ .That cow looks like it's still alive. Not funny at all :disappointed:

    Pretty sure that is a gif from Me, myself and Irene and the guy in the gif is Jim carry.
  • atypicalsmith
    atypicalsmith Posts: 2,742 Member
    I knew a lady from India who was overweight. She complained that she only ate rice cakes and other diet food every day. She was mad at her doctor for telling her that the Holocaust didn't feed the prisoners and they were all very skinny. She thought he was making fun of her. Eat less, move more, and you will lose weight. Very simple.
  • Arliah
    Arliah Posts: 266 Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    Arliah wrote: »
    mccindy72 wrote: »
    89d.gif
    All I can say is: I hope this picture is fake.

    I think it is from that Jim Carey movie , so yes fake
    Oh, good. You never know ...
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    MrM27 wrote: »
    Can someone tell me if I agree with the OP please. The lack of paragraphs won't allow me to read it

    Yes, you agree with op...happy??
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    Cliffs are:

    Starvation mode is not real because people still starve to death and the Minnesota Starvation Experiment showed only a 40% decline in metabolism, which means the participants still lost weight.

    So we are not breaking new ground???
  • ILiftHeavyAcrylics
    ILiftHeavyAcrylics Posts: 27,732 Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    Cliffs are:

    Starvation mode is not real because people still starve to death and the Minnesota Starvation Experiment showed only a 40% decline in metabolism, which means the participants still lost weight.

    So we are not breaking new ground???

    Definitely not. I imagine it's new to the OP though.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    Arliah wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    Arliah wrote: »
    mccindy72 wrote: »
    89d.gif
    All I can say is: I hope this picture is fake.

    I think it is from that Jim Carey movie , so yes fake
    Oh, good. You never know ...

    Actually that scene is hilarious...it's the movie where he has multiple personalities...
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    Cliffs are:

    Starvation mode is not real because people still starve to death and the Minnesota Starvation Experiment showed only a 40% decline in metabolism, which means the participants still lost weight.

    So we are not breaking new ground???

    Definitely not. I imagine it's new to the OP though.

    Sigh...maybe one day we'll make history in mfp land..,,
  • elphie754
    elphie754 Posts: 7,574 Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    Arliah wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    Arliah wrote: »
    mccindy72 wrote: »
    89d.gif
    All I can say is: I hope this picture is fake.

    I think it is from that Jim Carey movie , so yes fake
    Oh, good. You never know ...

    Actually that scene is hilarious...it's the movie where he has multiple personalities...

    Okay, Thought so but wasnt 100% sure.
  • Mr_Knight
    Mr_Knight Posts: 9,532 Member
    edited February 2015
    Arliah wrote: »
    mccindy72 wrote: »
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    All I can say is: I hope this picture is fake.

    I agree. Totally inefficient.

    Much better to pound it like this...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYMSsITCp2c
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