Diet pills, good or all bad?

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  • FinallyHopeful
    FinallyHopeful Posts: 14 Member
    esjones12 wrote: »
    Another +1 for @ninerbuff‌

    Pills are just shortcuts and who knows what the long term side effects of those drugs could be or how they could interact with other things in your life. Just do it the hard way. There is something to be said about the journey and truly changing your lifestyle.

    The 2 drugs that compose Contrave have been around for decades and have good safety records. As for doing things the hard way that is sometimes easier said than done especially when one is in the throws of the disease of obesity which is often accompanied by insulin resistance. As one doctor put it, if your insulin levels are high, the insulin grabs you by the shoulders and demands that you "Eat! Eat!" It can be very difficult to ignore what your body is telling you. Now of course if you catch obesity early on, it is probably easier to do it the hard way. But if you do not, then it becomes much harder. I think that accounts for the 97% failure rate when it comes to weight loss. After all it is a disease and not just sloth or gluttony.

  • FinallyHopeful
    FinallyHopeful Posts: 14 Member
    nakedraygun wrote: »
    I'm not going to sit through a 90+ minute video to discover where this doctor said it, and googling will be useless - free country means you can say whatever you want. Furthermore, you made the claim, the burden of proof rests on you. Asking me to do the research for a claim that you made is a hallmark of intellectual dishonesty.

    You are free to believe whatever you want. Then video is actually very good and this doctor has co-authored papers for the American Heart Association and its new recommendations on limiting sugar. 60 minutes has also done a piece on him as well as the New York Times. So you can continue putting your head in the sand for all I care. I just hope this info helps someone since the research on how bad sugar is for you is quite compelling.

  • FinallyHopeful
    FinallyHopeful Posts: 14 Member
    Liftng4Lis wrote: »
    Hard work- its free!
    Do you really think that those who try Contrave do not have to work at it??? I actually do. It is now much easier though.
  • giantrobot_powerlifting
    giantrobot_powerlifting Posts: 2,598 Member
    FinallyHopeful wrote: »
    nakedraygun wrote: »
    I'm not going to sit through a 90+ minute video to discover where this doctor said it, and googling will be useless - free country means you can say whatever you want. Furthermore, you made the claim, the burden of proof rests on you. Asking me to do the research for a claim that you made is a hallmark of intellectual dishonesty.

    You are free to believe whatever you want. Then video is actually very good and this doctor has co-authored papers for the American Heart Association and its new recommendations on limiting sugar. 60 minutes has also done a piece on him as well as the New York Times. So you can continue putting your head in the sand for all I care. I just hope this info helps someone since the research on how bad sugar is for you is quite compelling.
    So no specific piece of evidence but a video I must wade through to see if you are even drawing the correct conclusion. Nice.
  • giantrobot_powerlifting
    giantrobot_powerlifting Posts: 2,598 Member
    edited February 2015
    FinallyHopeful wrote: »
    nakedraygun wrote: »
    I'm not going to sit through a 90+ minute video to discover where this doctor said it, and googling will be useless - free country means you can say whatever you want. Furthermore, you made the claim, the burden of proof rests on you. Asking me to do the research for a claim that you made is a hallmark of intellectual dishonesty.

    You are free to believe whatever you want. Then video is actually very good and this doctor has co-authored papers for the American Heart Association and its new recommendations on limiting sugar. 60 minutes has also done a piece on him as well as the New York Times. So you can continue putting your head in the sand for all I care. I just hope this info helps someone since the research on how bad sugar is for you is quite compelling.

    Also, you have now altered your claim. At first you stated that "sugar is more addictive than cocaine." Now you say the doctor talks about limiting consumption of sugar. Why have you moved the goal post?
  • FinallyHopeful
    FinallyHopeful Posts: 14 Member
    Good article with links on the ill effects of sugar:
    well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/11/12/website-explores-sugars-effects-on-health/
  • FinallyHopeful
    FinallyHopeful Posts: 14 Member
    nakedraygun wrote: »
    Also, you have now altered your claim. At first you stated that "sugar is more addictive than cocaine." Now you say the doctor talks about limiting consumption of sugar. Why have you moved the goal post?

    Wow. What an argumentative person you are! You are free to look up the research on the additive powers of sugar yourself.

  • giantrobot_powerlifting
    giantrobot_powerlifting Posts: 2,598 Member
    edited February 2015
    FinallyHopeful wrote: »
    Good article with links on the ill effects of sugar:
    well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/11/12/website-explores-sugars-effects-on-health/
    The blog notes that:

    "The link between sugar and chronic disease has attracted increasing scientific scrutiny in recent years. But many studies have provided conflicting conclusions, and experts say part of the reason is that biased studies have clouded the debate."

    There's obviously a lot of research out there, however, making such definitive statements as you have done hinges more on fear than facts.
  • giantrobot_powerlifting
    giantrobot_powerlifting Posts: 2,598 Member
    FinallyHopeful wrote: »
    nakedraygun wrote: »
    Also, you have now altered your claim. At first you stated that "sugar is more addictive than cocaine." Now you say the doctor talks about limiting consumption of sugar. Why have you moved the goal post?

    Wow. What an argumentative person you are! You are free to look up the research on the additive powers of sugar yourself.
    I'm only "argumentative" because I pay attention. If you don't like being asked for evidence to back up your claims, I'm not the one who has a problem, perhaps it is you that does. This is how it works. You make a claim, you back it up.

    You'll make no converts this way.
  • ketorach
    ketorach Posts: 430 Member
    FinallyHopeful wrote: »
    esjones12 wrote: »
    Another +1 for @ninerbuff‌

    Pills are just shortcuts and who knows what the long term side effects of those drugs could be or how they could interact with other things in your life. Just do it the hard way. There is something to be said about the journey and truly changing your lifestyle.

    The 2 drugs that compose Contrave have been around for decades and have good safety records. As for doing things the hard way that is sometimes easier said than done especially when one is in the throws of the disease of obesity which is often accompanied by insulin resistance. As one doctor put it, if your insulin levels are high, the insulin grabs you by the shoulders and demands that you "Eat! Eat!" It can be very difficult to ignore what your body is telling you. Now of course if you catch obesity early on, it is probably easier to do it the hard way. But if you do not, then it becomes much harder. I think that accounts for the 97% failure rate when it comes to weight loss. After all it is a disease and not just sloth or gluttony.
    I'm pretty sure that even doctors who claim sugar is addictive -- and believe me, I eat LCHF, so I have heard it all -- do not recommend diet pills.

  • giantrobot_powerlifting
    giantrobot_powerlifting Posts: 2,598 Member
    If sugar becomes listed as a controlled substance along with steroids and heroin by the FDA, then perhaps we can have a conversation about it being as dangerous and addictive as cocaine. Until then, I'll keep an open, but skeptical mind.
  • elphie754
    elphie754 Posts: 7,574 Member
    nakedraygun wrote: »
    FinallyHopeful wrote: »
    nakedraygun wrote: »
    Also, you have now altered your claim. At first you stated that "sugar is more addictive than cocaine." Now you say the doctor talks about limiting consumption of sugar. Why have you moved the goal post?

    Wow. What an argumentative person you are! You are free to look up the research on the additive powers of sugar yourself.
    I'm only "argumentative" because I pay attention. If youngieu don't like being asked for evidence to back up your claims, I'm not the one who has a problem, perhaps it is you that does. This is how it works. You make a claim, you back it up.

    You'll make no converts this way.

  • giantrobot_powerlifting
    giantrobot_powerlifting Posts: 2,598 Member
    elphie754 wrote: »
    nakedraygun wrote: »
    FinallyHopeful wrote: »
    nakedraygun wrote: »
    Also, you have now altered your claim. At first you stated that "sugar is more addictive than cocaine." Now you say the doctor talks about limiting consumption of sugar. Why have you moved the goal post?

    Wow. What an argumentative person you are! You are free to look up the research on the additive powers of sugar yourself.
    I'm only "argumentative" because I pay attention. If youngieu don't like being asked for evidence to back up your claims, I'm not the one who has a problem, perhaps it is you that does. This is how it works. You make a claim, you back it up.

    You'll make no converts this way.
    Did you bold this because you expect me to prove a negative? I'm not the one making the claim here about the alleged dire consequences of sugar consumption.
  • Amanda4change
    Amanda4change Posts: 620 Member
    In my humble opinion, if you are on a plan under direct medical (a doctor) supervision I see no issue with it. Having said that there are many who were under medical supervision on phen phen (spelling?), who's loved ones would say don't do it. I personally am to cheap to pay for something I can do myself. So in my mind they are a waste of money. Not only that at some point you will have to learn to control your eating and make smart food choices on your own, unless your going to stay on them for life (which opens up a whole new host of problems as people who are at the correct weight shouldn't take them). I would talk to your doctor and make the best choice for yourself, your health and your goals.
  • thrashscara
    thrashscara Posts: 72 Member
    Not worth the risk with my health, true or false. Plus is better to educate yourself into a better lifestyle than "make do and mend" cause it will all unravel in the end.
  • GSanc2
    GSanc2 Posts: 91 Member
    Liftng4Lis wrote: »
    Hard work- its free!
    FinallyHopeful wrote: »
    Liftng4Lis wrote: »
    Hard work- its free!

    Do you really think that those who try Contrave do not have to work at it??? I actually do. It is now much easier though.

    I'm on Contrave & YES, you do have to work at it. It's not a quick fix pill either. I have done the exercises and eaten clean & I have had very little success. So, hard work doesn't always work.
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