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LolBroScience wrote: »lishie_rebooted wrote: »smalltown_princess wrote: »Do you have any tips for pull ups? I can't do them without a really strong band and even then it's a struggle
I believe you can use 2 bands to help... I could be wrong though...
You can work negatives too
Negatives are what helped me on pull ups.0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »lishie_rebooted wrote: »smalltown_princess wrote: »Do you have any tips for pull ups? I can't do them without a really strong band and even then it's a struggle
I believe you can use 2 bands to help... I could be wrong though...
You can work negatives too
Negatives are what helped me on pull ups.
This is why I
both of you!
I should work on doing negatives (thanks for another idea - for a different day lol)0 -
lishie_rebooted wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »lishie_rebooted wrote: »smalltown_princess wrote: »Do you have any tips for pull ups? I can't do them without a really strong band and even then it's a struggle
I believe you can use 2 bands to help... I could be wrong though...
You can work negatives too
Negatives are what helped me on pull ups.
This is why I both of you!
I should work on doing negatives (thanks for another idea - for a different day lol)
Even better is if you can add weight to the negatives.0 -
Cherimoose wrote: »If you're doing lat pulldowns, pull-ups are redundant.
Explain in small, clear and precise terms why you claim this.
It's a similar movement, so similar muscles are worked.
The pulldown has the advantage of not wasting as much energy on non-back muscles (abs, etc), plus it's easier to modify the resistance to keep you in the proper rep range for growth.0 -
lishie_rebooted wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »lishie_rebooted wrote: »smalltown_princess wrote: »Do you have any tips for pull ups? I can't do them without a really strong band and even then it's a struggle
I believe you can use 2 bands to help... I could be wrong though...
You can work negatives too
Negatives are what helped me on pull ups.
This is why I both of you!
I should work on doing negatives (thanks for another idea - for a different day lol)
Even better is if you can add weight to the negatives.
Don't add more to it! Ack! =P0 -
lishie_rebooted wrote: »lishie_rebooted wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »lishie_rebooted wrote: »smalltown_princess wrote: »Do you have any tips for pull ups? I can't do them without a really strong band and even then it's a struggle
I believe you can use 2 bands to help... I could be wrong though...
You can work negatives too
Negatives are what helped me on pull ups.
This is why I both of you!
I should work on doing negatives (thanks for another idea - for a different day lol)
Even better is if you can add weight to the negatives.
Don't add more to it! Ack! =P
At some point your negatives will be fairly long. Then it's time to add weight. Always need to challenge the muscles
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Cherimoose wrote: »Cherimoose wrote: »If you're doing lat pulldowns, pull-ups are redundant.
Explain in small, clear and precise terms why you claim this.
It's a similar movement, so similar muscles are worked.
The pulldown has the advantage of not wasting as much energy on non-back muscles (abs, etc), plus it's easier to modify the resistance to keep you in the proper rep range for growth.
Whether or not it is redundant depends a bit on your perspective. I view lat pulldowns as a tool to train for pull-ups/chin-ups. So I'm not going to stop doing (trying to do) the latter because I'm doing the former.
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I know the standard response in this forum is squats and deadlifts, but ... squats and deadlifts. Close grip rows (or any kind of rows), hyper extensions and BB hip thrusts (or glute bridges) for the erectors0
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lishie_rebooted wrote: »lishie_rebooted wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »lishie_rebooted wrote: »smalltown_princess wrote: »Do you have any tips for pull ups? I can't do them without a really strong band and even then it's a struggle
I believe you can use 2 bands to help... I could be wrong though...
You can work negatives too
Negatives are what helped me on pull ups.
This is why I both of you!
I should work on doing negatives (thanks for another idea - for a different day lol)
Even better is if you can add weight to the negatives.
Don't add more to it! Ack! =P
At some point your negatives will be fairly long. Then it's time to add weight. Always need to challenge the muscles
lol I know but I meant to my list of ideas!
I'm done hi-jacking!
Sorry OP!0 -
ok, so you don't know the purpose of it.Cherimoose wrote: »Cherimoose wrote: »If you're doing lat pulldowns, pull-ups are redundant.
Explain in small, clear and precise terms why you claim this.
It's a similar movement, so similar muscles are worked.
The pulldown has the advantage of not wasting as much energy on non-back muscles (abs, etc), plus it's easier to modify the resistance to keep you in the proper rep range for growth.
That's fine, don't just throw it out because you think it's a similar movement and similar muscles are worked.
Pulldowns are a great assistance exercise, and a great tool to potentially help a trainee get to a pull up, but it's not a replacement.
A pull up is an excellent, fundamental compound movement, and a pull down is not. Excepting of course the people who use all the body english they can muster to move a weight that their ego told them to put the machine to.0 -
Deadlifts and any variation (conventional, sumo, romanian, stiff leg, trap bar)
Rows and any variation (DB, BB, seal, kroc, t-bar, landmine, cable, inverted)
Pull-ups and any variation (wide, chins, neutral grip, rings)
Hypers and reverse hypers
^This
If you want back development, then you need to stick with heavy, basic exercises and you need to train them frequently. I do a back movement every day that I lift plus I do pull ups on a different day. There are only 4 back movements that you need to do:
Deadlift
Barbell Row
Pull Up
Barbell Shrug
Seriously, that's it. Don't try to get creative because you will just short change yourself. If you ever don't know what to do, just do more of these movements and you will come out ahead.0 -
ok, so you don't know the purpose of it.Cherimoose wrote: »It's a similar movement, so similar muscles are worked.
The pulldown has the advantage of not wasting as much energy on non-back muscles (abs, etc), plus it's easier to modify the resistance to keep you in the proper rep range for growth.
That's fine, don't just throw it out because you think it's a similar movement and similar muscles are worked.
Pulldowns are a great assistance exercise, and a great tool to potentially help a trainee get to a pull up, but it's not a replacement.
A pull up is an excellent, fundamental compound movement, and a pull down is not. Excepting of course the people who use all the body english they can muster to move a weight that their ego told them to put the machine to.
Pull-ups are definitely a great exercise. But for hypertrophy (the OP's goal), pull-downs are a better choice, for the reasons i mentioned.
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Cherimoose wrote: »
ok, so you don't know the purpose of it.Cherimoose wrote: »It's a similar movement, so similar muscles are worked.
The pulldown has the advantage of not wasting as much energy on non-back muscles (abs, etc), plus it's easier to modify the resistance to keep you in the proper rep range for growth.
That's fine, don't just throw it out because you think it's a similar movement and similar muscles are worked.
Pulldowns are a great assistance exercise, and a great tool to potentially help a trainee get to a pull up, but it's not a replacement.
A pull up is an excellent, fundamental compound movement, and a pull down is not. Excepting of course the people who use all the body english they can muster to move a weight that their ego told them to put the machine to.
Pull-ups are definitely a great exercise. But for hypertrophy (the OP's goal), pull-downs are a better choice, for the reasons i mentioned.
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smalltown_princess wrote: »Does your back workout in DLS if you use a belt?
Yes, a belt has nothing to do with your back or the muscles in it.0 -
Cherimoose wrote: »Cherimoose wrote: »If you're doing lat pulldowns, pull-ups are redundant.
Explain in small, clear and precise terms why you claim this.
It's a similar movement, so similar muscles are worked.
The pulldown has the advantage of not wasting as much energy on non-back muscles (abs, etc), plus it's easier to modify the resistance to keep you in the proper rep range for growth.
She said she wanted to get more "swole" which to me implies size, so pull-ups are really unnecessary. Lat Pulldowns or Straight-Arm Lat Pulldowns activate the lats just fine.0 -
Nobody mentioned resistance band pull-aparts. Do 100 of those a couple days a week you'll definitely work on your upper back size and improve rotator cuff health.0
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Deadlifts, lat pull down - wide and close grip, seated rows, dumbbell rows, upright row, bent over row, t-bar row, back extention. I do at least 5 of these, 3-4 sets of 8-12 reps.0
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Lol, first don't squat below parallel and now Lat PD's > Pull ups for building your body....
This board cracks me up.0 -
Lol, first don't squat below parallel and now Lat PD's > Pull ups for building your body....
This board cracks me up.
That's not at all what it's saying. If hypertrophy, just muscle size is your goal then lat PD's are perfectly good. Pull-ups are especially difficult for women, so if a woman's goal is to improve hypertrophy of the lats then there's no reason to just start with Lat PD's. Are pull-ups with a thick resistance band all that different? Obviously the pull-up is a better exercise for strength and performance, but in this case it's better to start with something the lat PD than to struggle with pull-ups.
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Sam_I_Am77 wrote: »Nobody mentioned resistance band pull-aparts. Do 100 of those a couple days a week you'll definitely work on your upper back size and improve rotator cuff health.
Thanks for posting this. I've been looking for something to add to my ohp day and after looking at videos this seems like a good option.
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