Starting the 5:2 diet
mowbry
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I read the book by Dr Michael Mosley "The Fast Diet" and watched his interview with Dr Mercola. I felt compelled to give it a go as I won't be exercising for a month due to the fact I was operated on yesterday. I had my last meal and finished it on Sunday at 8pm then had my next meal on Tuesday 12pm and another finishing at 8pm ready for my operation the following day. On the Wednesday after I was able to eat I had another meal and finished by 8pm. This morning I've had a lovely cooked breakfast and ordered a meal for lunch time. My fast consists of green tea in the morning and about 3 litres of water. I have an under active thyroid and carry weight in my lower body with cellulite too. I feel my metabolism is always sluggish and I'm nearing my 50th birthday which also goes against you when dieting. Another reason for choosing this diet is because dementia and Parkinson's is in my family. I would be extremely interested to hear people's stories of fasting diets on this forum.
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I did do 5:2 last year. Was quite successful. Ate reasonably 5 days and fasted for 2...sometimes I had snacks in the day (fruit or veg sticks), sometimes I saved all the cals for dinner (500cal on fast day)
Just depends on your will power not to go mental when you do get to eat and stick within the 500 cals.
I sort of do 5 fast and 2 mental now. Still working. Averages at 1400 cals a day.
I'm a bad loser I do well for a while...plateau for a bit and then lose interest!0 -
Be prepared for lots of people on the forums telling you that you don't need to follow a 5:2 diet, as long as you look at CICO each day you'll lose weight with a deficit etc etc. Which I, myself believe too, so I'm not slating that or their opinion. However EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT and just because you're utilising mfp in a different way to someone else doesn't mean you're in the wrong. I believe that if you will find it easier to follow an intermittent fasting diet in the long run and if it works for you then good for you! It's proven to help people to lose weight and there are plenty of success stories. Good luck! xx0
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Haven't done it but interested in hearing your experiences! I have looked into it before but never started. I had a client when I worked at Jenny Craig that did it and she loved it and was able to lose weight when she stuck to it (she took a lot of fun trips and would not have the 2 fast days). Anyway good luck!!0
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You know you are supposed to be eating 500 cals on your fast days?
Have you found the two 5:2 groups on here....
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/100058-5-2-fasting
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/8628-5-2-diet
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Thank you sijomial, I shall join those groups as I couldn't find them. On the 500 cals on fast days, I'm not going to do that as it makes me want to eat. I have researched it and I like the "eat stop eat" method. As I won't be exercising then I don't feel I will need to have those calories. Thank you for the links.0
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I do weekly deficit, regular calorie split, 5:2, every other day diet (one of the original research sources for 5:2), and occasional fast days every once in a while - depending on what I feel like doing. In general, you eat 500 calories on your fast days and maintenance calories on your nonfast days.
It's perfectly acceptable to replace 500 calorie fast days with water/tea fasts. I occasionally do when I feel like total abstinence from food for the day is easier than consuming 1 meal.
You can consume your 500 calorie meal at any time: breakfast, lunch or dinner. You could also split it into 3 tiny meals, which is not recommended because it won't satisfy you. Personally I do a 200/300 split with volume foods for lunch and dinner like salads and soups, or one big meal at lunch.0 -
Thank you sijomial, I shall join those groups as I couldn't find them. On the 500 cals on fast days, I'm not going to do that as it makes me want to eat. I have researched it and I like the "eat stop eat" method. As I won't be exercising then I don't feel I will need to have those calories. Thank you for the links.
You're welcome. A few fellow 5:2'ers on my FL save their calories for one evening meal but I find two small meals works best for me (lunch & dinner). Personal preference and fitting it into your lifestyle are often overlooked in term of adherence to a calorie goal. I've actually gone the other way and have about 650 - 700 (approx quarter of my TDEE) rather than the usual 600 allowance for men.0 -
Well i suppose if you can pull off not eating for that long then good for you. I'm a fan of the 5:2 system, but i think the part about having 500 cals is important. If you want to do an occasional 24 fast that seemed acceptable but I think doing the 2 days as complete fasts is a bit excessive. Good luck0
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Well i suppose if you can pull off not eating for that long then good for you. I'm a fan of the 5:2 system, but i think the part about having 500 cals is important. If you want to do an occasional 24 fast that seemed acceptable but I think doing the 2 days as complete fasts is a bit excessive. Good luck
It's actually not important to eat 500 calories on fast days. The original research investigated full abstinence from food every other day (not just 2 days a week), but then was tweaked later for adherence reasons. People were dropping out of the studies due to hunger and to social life complications. After a process of trial and error, they arrived at the conclusion that 25% (roughly 500 calories for a woman and 600 for a man) of maintenance calories is the value that balances adherence and weight loss the best.0 -
I thought I would choose a Monday and a Wednesday as other days I either work late at work, meet friends for a girly catch up on Thursdays and leave the weekends for cooking normal meals with my family. At the end of the day, it's good to try new diets to find the one that suits you.0
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There is evidence that fasting is beneficial. Our ancestors fasted regularly simply because food was not always available.
I would suggest you fast once a day for eight hours and build from there. Stick with one day and extend it to 12 hours and then more. If that is working for you, add another day.
Failure is often a result of being too ambitious at first and unable to maintain.0 -
I've been doing it for almost 2 months now.
I premake my fast day meals the day before. Usually a huge bowl of carrots, celery, cucumbers, 1 square of ginger dark chocolate, 1 oz of pretzels, and a little bit of ranch dip. Sometimes I go a little over 500, but I stay below 600. I eat on that through the day.
I find fasting days to go by more easily for me if I have something to do that day. I tend to go to house cleaning to keep me busy. If I'm just sitting around, I'm more likely to just start eating. So I pick a room of the house and clean it from ceiling to floor. My house has never been cleaner since I started IF.0 -
I am not exactly doing the 5:2 diet but I cut back to 1200 calories twice a week. If my weightloss stalls, I cut back to 500-600 2 days and also eat within a 6 hour window. The other 5 days, I eat 1500 calories as of last week. Before then I was on 1600. I have been able to lose 2lb per week steadily doing this and walking 10 m per week. I can't speak to the health benefits yet. Good luck0
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You said you just had an operation. Have you been cleared to go on this diet by your doctors?
I'm asking because the body needs food to heal after surgery.0 -
I'm doing the 5:2 as I have found it's what has worked for me in the past and I actually feel better when I am on it and am very interested in reaping the additional health benefits from this way of eating. I read Dr. Mosley's book and also Emma Thornton's book (Eat, Drink and Still Shrink). In fact, I'm fasting today! Good luck!0
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Luckily my surgeon is Asian and practices fasting for her religion. As I not fasting till next Monday she has said it will be ok but if I feel light headed then I must stop. She said to listen to my body and I will know. She said exercise common sense and that she has practised this since she was six years old.0
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I don't do the 5:2 fast, but I do intermittent feeding on a daily basis with a 18/6 schedule and have been for a little over a year. I've found that this eating style more closely supports my natural hunger signals. When I first started trying to lose weight I bought in to the idea that I had to begin eating more often, which led to me eating when I wasn't even hungry, which resulted in calorie overages almost daily. I do have to be careful with it and ensure that I use my eating window fully and have at least two full meals and some solid snacks due to my history of binge eating.
Fasting is an old and well-studied human practice, but it seems peoples' attitude towards it differs depending on whether you do it for religious beliefs vs. weight loss. As a result, I'm careful how I discuss my weight loss with others (being down 85 lbs people ask almost daily) because people jump to conclusions. What's important to remember is that regardless of the method you use to reach your goals, the ultimate factor at play is tracking/maintaining a caloric deficit. This eating style simply makes it more feasible and maintainable for some. If you find it's not working for you, you can look in to other approaches. You're most likely to be successful with something that doesn't ask you to drastically change your lifestyle. I always stress the individuality and importance of flexibility with weight loss. For me, I will likely increase my eating window a bit once I am ready to maintain and add an extra meal. IF takes adjustment, but most people who try it and like it find that within a week or two its routine. I don't start feeling hungry until I am already in my eating window. I also usually work out in a fasted state (I am fairly sensitive to nausea when working out on a full stomach) and have only had difficulty when on 80+ minute bike rides, when you'd be needing a boost anyway. I'm not super strict and if I am hungry outside of my eating window I will eat, as long as I ensure that I log it. I've actually found my energy levels remain more stable over the day, and I don't get the mid-morning and mid-afternoon sluggishness I used to. I was able to break my caffeine addiction as well due to having more stable energy levels. Lastly, my cravings are basically gone. I no longer crave the pretzels, cookies, cheese, and other random nonsense I used to binge on, and I struggled with that for many, many years.
You can be successful with IF if it's the right fit for you. If it's not, it doesn't make you a failure or special - you can move on to something else that might work better. If you want your loss to stick, you need to pin down the habits you can maintain long-term. Good luck!
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I have been doing 5:2 for about 5 weeks now, and I have consistently lost about 1lb when doing it what I think is correctly. The only question I have is this... MFP tells me that maintenance calories for me are 1920 (huge!!), whereas every other website I have been on tells me around 1600, which is what I have been doing. I am worried to eat as much as 1920 on non fast days, but would I lose more if I eat more? I am currently 161lb, so a lot to lose. I would ideally like to lose 2lb per week. Do I eat all those cals or not?0
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I do eat stop eat. Similar but the idea is to not eat for 24 hours. 5:2 seems to allow a bit of eating (500 calories) so not really fasting IMO.
Fasting is just a way of creating a caloric deficit. You'll succeed as long as you don't blow the deficit by overeating on other days.0 -
honkytonks85 wrote: »I do eat stop eat. Similar but the idea is to not eat for 24 hours. 5:2 seems to allow a bit of eating (500 calories) so not really fasting IMO.
Fasting is just a way of creating a caloric deficit. You'll succeed as long as you don't blow the deficit by overeating on other days.
5:2 could be a true fast, if the person eats their calories for dinner (which results in a 24 hour fast), so they're quite similar.0 -
Luckily my surgeon is Asian and practices fasting for her religion. As I not fasting till next Monday she has said it will be ok but if I feel light headed then I must stop. She said to listen to my body and I will know. She said exercise common sense and that she has practised this since she was six years old.
Calories help you heal. I don't let my patients diet, let alone fast for 3-6 weeks postop.0 -
How fresh post-op are you? Have you talked to your surgeon about being in a caloric deficit while healing? There is new research about how important feeding is for healing and recovery...things like wound infection and dehiscence for example. If your surgery was extensive and you haven't discussed your diet with your surgeon please start there. Take long view here. Weight loss can wait until the early healing period is over.0
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MY boss is a big believer in this, though he cheats constantly. We avoid him on his two days as you are prone to feel like cr@p and your mood reflects it also.0
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bunnywestley81 wrote: »I did do 5:2 last year. Was quite successful. Ate reasonably 5 days and fasted for 2...sometimes I had snacks in the day (fruit or veg sticks), sometimes I saved all the cals for dinner (500cal on fast day)
Just depends on your will power not to go mental when you do get to eat and stick within the 500 cals.
I sort of do 5 fast and 2 mental now. Still working. Averages at 1400 cals a day.
I'm a bad loser I do well for a while...plateau for a bit and then lose interest!
this is the most perfect answer to not do the 5:2 diet.0 -
I really liked the documentary Eat Fast & Live Longer. I bet it's still floating around online to watch. I've done 5:2 and ADF, too. Right now I'm more of a one big meal a day faster, though. I find my energy levels throughout the week are more predictable. But if my weight loss stalls in the future, 5:2 is first on my list to add back in.0
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My understanding from watching the BBC Horizon programme he made was that the health improvement research was based upon the fast days being consecutive as it relies on a depletion of hormones or something which doesn't kick in until quite late into the fast? Has the 2 separate days been brought in just for the diet side rather than the mental improvement side? I know it wouldn't work for me. I get headachy if I miss a meal.0
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good luck, but I prefer more of an alternate day style or 4:30
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I just watched the documentary again to remind myself of the reasons I should do it. At the end Michael Moseley said his blood test results brought his cholesterol and other readings right down to normal levels after 5 weeks of doing 5:2 and he also lost 8% body fat and a stone (14lbs) in weight.
He did the 5:2 on non consecutive days so that would be enough to get good results.
In addition (which I didn't remember from the last time I watched) one of the messages given was that protein intake should be reduced in order to reduce the levels of growth hormone on the body and to eliminate the risk of many cancers.
I would be interested to know if this was only needed on Fast days or also on feast days and what number of grams of protein would be considered safe.
Many on here including myself at the moment eat higher than recommended quantities of protein in order to maintain muscle while losing weight or to increase muscle etc.0 -
Just out of interest- you do know that religious fasting is broken by things like illness, surgery etc for the body to repair and because it cannot be as beneficial for the body at such a time, and I cannot forsee why your doctor would allow you to fast so soon after surgery.
I have seen success with this diet and wish you all the best but I would be cautious of anyone letting me do it so soon after surgery.0 -
Maria the Fast diet only requires you to eat 500 calories 2 days a week so it shouldn't affect recovery as you can eat what you want on the other days. Most religious fasts tell people not to eat at all during the period of the fast so it's not the same thing at all.0
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