Eating at BMR and not losing

fausonk
fausonk Posts: 41
edited November 13 in Health and Weight Loss
I've been at this for four weeks, and I've only lost 2 pounds. I'm basically staying near my BMR for eating (1500) - some days I go over, some days I'm under. I exercise at least 4 times a week (walking, weights, personal training, a mix of things). I figured eating around BMR and exercising would mean I'd lose weight, but 2 pounds? In a month? And I'm very overweight (by like 60 lbs on a short female frame), so I should be able to lose a lot more than that. Even if I were off by 50% (overestimating exercise and underestimating calories), I should still be at like a pound a week. Any advice?
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  • WickedPineapple
    WickedPineapple Posts: 698 Member
    Do you weigh your food?
  • Yes, I weigh my food. Maybe not everything, but most things. And, like I said, even if I'm off by some factor, I'm not off by 1000 calories in a day (which is about what I'd need to be off by to explain this non-weight loss).
  • sofaking6
    sofaking6 Posts: 4,589 Member
    Most likely, you are overestimating how many calories you're burning when you workout (i.e. MFP's default numbers are roughly twice what's realistic for all but the most obese) and underestimating how many calories you're eating (not logging everything, mis-estimating portions). What are your methods for calorie calculation both in and out?
  • WalkingAlong
    WalkingAlong Posts: 4,926 Member
    If the exercise level is new you could be retaining water which is hiding your fat loss.

    And of course you could be underestimating your intake and/or overestimating your burn, like others have mentioned.

    In any case, the solution is be patient or eat less and move more. It's hard. Good luck!
  • I use a Fitbit Charge HR. But I really don't pay much attention to my "calories out" numbers. I figure I should be losing if I'm even somewhat close to eating at my BMR. My BMR is 1500. My TDEE (counting exercise 3x per week) is just over 2000.
  • AmyRhubarb
    AmyRhubarb Posts: 6,890 Member
    Hard to say - it looks like your exercise cals are only your Fitbit cal adjustments? Also curious why you're sticking with BMR calories - for me, that's my absolute LOWEST intake, and generally only on a low or no-exercise day, or if I'm not feeling well. Even with 60 lbs to lose I feel like you should be eating more.

    How about water intake? I didn't see any water tracked in your diary - are you hydrating well?

    Four weeks may seem like a long time, but if your way of eating and the exercise are new things and you're only a month in, it really can take the body a bit of time to adjust to all the new things and really start showing progress.

    How about measurements? Clothes fitting any differently? If you're not taking measurements, start. Often you will see progress there while the scale is busy bouncing around, showing every little fluctuation.
  • juggernaut1974
    juggernaut1974 Posts: 6,212 Member
    How did you come to the conclusion that your BMR is 1500? If you used one of the online calculators, remember those are just estimates based on population averages. Your actual BMR could be quite a bit more or less than that if that's the case.

    Also - you've lost 2 lbs in 4 weeks. 1/2 lb a week is a perfectly healthy, normal rate of weight loss, even if it's somewhat less than you'd expect or like.

    I would tighten up your intake logging (weigh everything possible, etc) and just keep at it.
  • ewhip17
    ewhip17 Posts: 515 Member
    edited February 2015
    Setting aside logging issues for a minute (quick add entries and "some days I'm over, some days I'm under"), you may want to take a look at your sodium intake. Personally, if mine were that high the scale would never move. Now to be clear, I'm not suggesting that it is necessarily bad for you (lots of debate about that), or that you aren't in fact losing fat, but when my sodium intake gets high it consistently masks actual weight loss on the scale. Just a suggestion...
  • marcolbmp
    marcolbmp Posts: 92 Member
    maybe get yourself a handheld body fat monitor, Omron makes a nice one for around $30.

    This will give you a baseline number, check it weekly and see if your body fat is declining. It may be that you're developing muscle and increasing lean body weight while the fat is still dropping much more than reflected in scale numbers.


  • nxd10
    nxd10 Posts: 4,570 Member
    First, if you were doing a 500 calorie/day deficit you would only expect to lose 1 pound a week - 4 pounds in a month.

    Second, most people's weight goes up and down +- 2-5 pounds a day. So if my true weight were 150, depending on what I ate, drank, peed, and pooped that day my weight might go from 145-155. (Your weight may be more or less variable - I'm pretty stable in maintenance, so I fluctuate within a 3 pound range.)

    But anyway, you are certainly going to move around so your true weight loss might be 4 pounds or more, but you just happen to be weighing on a heavy day, so some of that isn't showing up on the scale today.

    Third, you may not be logging accurately. To really got your logging accurate you need to weigh or measure and you have to log every stupid thing you put in your mouth. For me, that's a slice of butter on my sandwich, a dab of mayo the restaurant slips on my burger, and that fingerful of onion dip I snitched and two french fries from my son's plate. All of that for me, typically adds 300+ calories to my day.

    All else aside, most people don't lose as much as they think they 'should' because they aren't logging as accurately as they think they are. When you can't use a scale or measuring cups at home, look up serving size estimates on line for good visuals to help you out. It's something you get better at with time.

    Finally, you should be eating a lot more than your basal metabolism. You should be eating your calorie needs plus exercise, minus a deficit. Long term, it will work better and you'll lose more fat and less muscle.
  • FatFreeFrolicking
    FatFreeFrolicking Posts: 4,252 Member
    fausonk wrote: »
    Yes, I weigh my food. Maybe not everything, but most things. And, like I said, even if I'm off by some factor, I'm not off by 1000 calories in a day (which is about what I'd need to be off by to explain this non-weight loss).

    You need to weigh everything.
  • FatFreeFrolicking
    FatFreeFrolicking Posts: 4,252 Member
    ceoverturf wrote: »
    How did you come to the conclusion that your BMR is 1500? If you used one of the online calculators, remember those are just estimates based on population averages. Your actual BMR could be quite a bit more or less than that if that's the case.

    Also - you've lost 2 lbs in 4 weeks. 1/2 lb a week is a perfectly healthy, normal rate of weight loss, even if it's somewhat less than you'd expect or like.

    I would tighten up your intake logging (weigh everything possible, etc) and just keep at it.

    And this.

    Online calculators are not very accurate.

    The only way to know what your BMR/RMR is is by having it tested in a lab via oxygen consumption.
  • wkwebby
    wkwebby Posts: 807 Member
    +1 on the sodium issue. I can gain 5 lbs of water on 1 bad day of sodium (like one extra bite of soft pretzel with salt on it) and it takes a good 3-4 days to slowly lose it back while drinking lots of extra water.

    Have you also started a new workout routine? This will also make you hold on to some extra water.

    Two lbs. in 4 weeks is an average of 0.5lb/week. This could be that the days you are going "a little over", you're doing so by an extra 1700 calories for the week which could average out to 200-300 (overestimating here) per day "over". If you're using measuring cups for things that are calorie dense (nuts and peanut butter, etc.), you can easily do this. Bottom line is to watch your sodium intake and tighten up the weighing of food.
  • brianpperkins
    brianpperkins Posts: 6,124 Member
    marcolbmp wrote: »
    maybe get yourself a handheld body fat monitor, Omron makes a nice one for around $30.

    This will give you a baseline number, check it weekly and see if your body fat is declining. It may be that you're developing muscle and increasing lean body weight while the fat is still dropping much more than reflected in scale numbers.


    Those things are wildly inaccurate and she is not building appreciable muscle mass if in a deficit.
  • I wouldn't trust the scales, I review my weight loss with measurements (hip, waist etc). It is easy to be fooled by the scale, I actually don't use it anymore, I just measure myself every Friday (when I have been 'nice' for the week, before indulging in the weekend). Hope it helps:)
  • ok, thanks everyone. I'm not feeling like there's any one answer, but just to keep plugging along. I do drink water (probably not enough, but I'm working on it), I just can't bear to log it. Logging food is bad enough. And the "I weigh most things" is true, but how do you weigh that finger-full of dip or those 2 french fries from your son's plate? Those are the things where I just have to guess, but I do log them. Sodium I think really only gets up there when I eat something processed or a meal out. But that's life, and you just drink your water and roll with it.
  • AmyRhubarb
    AmyRhubarb Posts: 6,890 Member
    Online calculators aren't as accurate as the lab tests, but they sure are a lot easier and pretty much free. :smile: And there's no reason why you can't dial in the number with a little patience and careful calculating over time.

    I have used online calculators, a HRM, and a Fitbit to track my numbers over the years, and based on my successful progress and all my numbers agreeing with each other within a 100 cals or so, I think I've dialed it in pretty well.

    All calculations from HRMs, an all day tracker, or an online calculator are going to be estimates, but give it 4-6 weeks at a certain number, paired with logging food as accurately as possible, and you can make adjustments up or down as needed and stay on target.
  • segacs
    segacs Posts: 4,599 Member
    Losing 2 pounds in 4 weeks is not the same thing as "not losing". In fact, it's pretty much the opposite. You're losing weight at an average pace of 0.5lbs/week.

    Maybe you'd prefer to lose weight faster than that. But remember that the scale has a range of 4-5 pounds just with normal hormonal, water weight and daily fluctuations.

    Stick with it. Track the trend, not the individual points.

    BMR is basically an irrelevant number. If yours happens to be ~500 under your TDEE, then you might well be eating that many calories to target 1lb/week loss, but that's just a coincidence.
  • emdeesea
    emdeesea Posts: 1,823 Member
    fausonk wrote: »
    ...but how do you weigh that finger-full of dip or those 2 french fries from your son's plate? Those are the things where I just have to guess, but I do log them.

    Those "only 2 fries" or finger full of dip all add up. That's a habit you should try to stop all together.

  • StaciMarie1974
    StaciMarie1974 Posts: 4,138 Member
    2 pounds in 4 weeks = .5 pounds a week or about 250 daily deficit. Its not hard to be off by 250-500 per day if you're estimating portions, not logging all condiments/oils/drinks/etc. Depends on the types of foods you estimate. Estimating on peanut butter can be a big range, while estimating on lettuce is negligible. Just an example.

    How active are you in your lifestyle, how much do you exercise?

    The good news: you ARE losing. And its only 4 weeks in. You can improve your results by being more accurate on your intake log.
    fausonk wrote: »
    Yes, I weigh my food. Maybe not everything, but most things. And, like I said, even if I'm off by some factor, I'm not off by 1000 calories in a day (which is about what I'd need to be off by to explain this non-weight loss).

  • StaciMarie1974
    StaciMarie1974 Posts: 4,138 Member
    edited February 2015
    So based on this, at a best case scenario you should be losing about 1 pound per week. 2000 TDEE - 1500 intake = 500/day or average 1 pound a week. Estimation errors of 250/day: not unlikely.

    Though I personally don't assume a tracker is 100% accurate on burn rate. Even the best ones. So it could be off 5-10% on your burn total.

    Make efforts to move more - fit in additional activity here & there. And be more careful of your intake. Or be satisfied that you are losing, and keep going as you are.
    fausonk wrote: »
    I use a Fitbit Charge HR. But I really don't pay much attention to my "calories out" numbers. I figure I should be losing if I'm even somewhat close to eating at my BMR. My BMR is 1500. My TDEE (counting exercise 3x per week) is just over 2000.

  • DawnieB1977
    DawnieB1977 Posts: 4,248 Member
    You are losing, and that's what matters. I'd agree with taking measurements as well. I lose weight slowly, but my measurements go down a lot faster.

    I'm losing weight after my third baby now, who's 9 months, and it's a slow process. I exercise pretty much every day, and get at least 10,000 steps on my Fitbit, and eat at a big deficit, and don't eat back exercise calories. I weigh pretty much everything these days and am losing no faster than after my 2nd baby when I didn't weigh everything. In fact I'm losing at the same rate.

    I'm still 31lbs over pre-pregnancy weight, but my waist is only 3 inches bigger and my hips 4 inches. If I get back to pre-pregnancy size but not weight, I don't mind so much what the scale says.
  • CM9178
    CM9178 Posts: 1,251 Member
    edited February 2015
    Ignoring whatever you think your BMR is, if your fitbit is saying you burn around 2000 calories in a day and you think you are eating 1500 per day, that is a 500 calorie deficit per day which SHOULD equal 1 pound per week weight loss. You've only lost half of that which could be caused by either a) You aren't burning as many calories as the fitbit says - which is probably less likely because it is a HRM as well and SHOULD be pretty accurate. Which leaves us with b) you aren't logging accurately. For example, if you are underestimating/logging foods by 250 calories per day (which is VERY easy to do), then you are really only eating at a 250 calorie deficit per day, which equals 0.5 lbs per week, which is exactly what you've lost.
    - I've been struggling with the same thing, eating at what I think is a 500 calorie deficit but not losing nearly close to that. And I honestly think it is because I have not been logging as accurately as possible. I was measuring foods rather than weighing them on my food scale. I was underestimating portion sizes. I was eating little nibbles of things here and there and not logging them. All of that can EASILY add up to an extra 250 calories per day that I wasn't logging.
    - Also, weight loss isn't linear. You may only lose 0.5 lbs one week, not lose for two weeks and then suddenly lose 3 lbs the next. It isn't going to come off exactly the same every week but after a few months you should see an average weight loss that works out to whatever deficit you are eating at.. IF you are logging accurately.
  • amy8400
    amy8400 Posts: 478 Member
    fausonk wrote: »
    ok, thanks everyone. I'm not feeling like there's any one answer, but just to keep plugging along. I do drink water (probably not enough, but I'm working on it), I just can't bear to log it. Logging food is bad enough. And the "I weigh most things" is true, but how do you weigh that finger-full of dip or those 2 french fries from your son's plate? Those are the things where I just have to guess, but I do log them. Sodium I think really only gets up there when I eat something processed or a meal out. But that's life, and you just drink your water and roll with it.

    Either you commit to this or you don't. You weight it all. You log it all. If you do anything less, you are cheating yourself from the results you desire. A couple french fries here and there and 'finger-full' of dip DO count and either you log them or wean yourself away from those behaviors.

    I'm 53, lost 34 pounds in 10 months last year and have another 13 to go. It felt painfully slow some months but being locked into a very sedentary job and battling hypothyroidism, my reality is what it is...like each of us here.

    The deeper question is, how bad do you want it? If you want results, you have to earn them and do the hard work. You're halfway there by partial logging/weighing and working out 4 times a week. Congratulations on the good start! I lost only 2 pounds my first month and wondered the same as you...it doesn't always come off quickly at first.

    If you are ready to shed those 58 other pounds, step up your game with a fresh attitude. Logging is your roadmap, not a PITA. Water is your friend--find ways to up your ounces little by little. Weighing your foods is not a ball and chain--accuracy is the secret to success.

    Good luck!
  • I suppose if my difference between sort of maintaining and losing could be in 250 calorie errors, that is entirely possible. I can enter the recipes I make in the recipe builder, but sometimes it's hard to know how many meals actually come out of a recipe, so that is likely one of the errors that could be made. (And for what it's worth, someone else made the "finger full of dip, 2 of my son's french fries" comment. I was responding to that, not saying that I did that).
  • eblaschke
    eblaschke Posts: 3 Member
    I went out an purchase a Weight Watchers scale from Bed Bath & Beyond. There are about $18-$20. It was a great investment for me. I love this scale because it's easy to read and it will tell you in grams or ounces. And if you place a dish or a plate on it before you turn it on it will calibrate at zero so you can weigh liquids like egg whites, etc. You would be surprised at the difference it made....I was amazed at how much I was eating compared to what the scale showed me. I then saw the truth and have adjusted my eating habits accordingly.
  • verymissk
    verymissk Posts: 262 Member
    A half pound loss a week is not a bad thing.
  • erickirb
    erickirb Posts: 12,294 Member
    fausonk wrote: »
    I suppose if my difference between sort of maintaining and losing could be in 250 calorie errors, that is entirely possible. I can enter the recipes I make in the recipe builder, but sometimes it's hard to know how many meals actually come out of a recipe, so that is likely one of the errors that could be made. (And for what it's worth, someone else made the "finger full of dip, 2 of my son's french fries" comment. I was responding to that, not saying that I did that).

    If you know what goes in, weigh the total contents at the end that would be 100% of the finished product, then weigh your portion compared to that total.
  • Lissa_Kaye
    Lissa_Kaye Posts: 214 Member
    For big recipes one of the things I found is I will weigh up the entire thing, and then divide it into nice round serving size amounts. For instance if I make a big pot of quinoa, After its done cooking I weigh the whole thing which comes to 520 grams. Then I divide by 4 and get 130 gram servings. And put that into the recipe title so I know how big the serving size is. Always religiously weigh high calorically dense foods like oils, pb, butter and stuff.
  • triciab79
    triciab79 Posts: 1,713 Member
    Overestimate what you eat and underestimate what you do and stick to your numbers and you will see results. Studies have shown that people who are overweight severely underestimate the amounts they are eating and severely overestimate the amount they are burning. If you do not weigh everything then you need to double the calories of the things you estimate. The science is really very simple: if you eat less than you burn you lose weight. 3500 calories = 1lb of weight loss. Exercise calories do not equal weight loss though so if you add them back in and don't have a deficit you will gain weight because you will gain muscle.

    BMR =2000 You Exercise 500 You eat 2000 You will not lose a pound a week. You will remain flat on the scale and trade fat for muscle. Your size may go down but your weight will not.
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