Why did I actually make my target today?

tomatoey
tomatoey Posts: 5,446 Member
edited November 13 in Health and Weight Loss
Anyone willing to take a look? I can't remember the last time I ate this little.

FYI - "lunch" was actually dinner, and the skinny latte was lunch.

I went quite a bit over yesterday, but that's happened before, and I've rarely made target the next day. I worked out yesterday, did nothing today. I usually eat less on workout days, though. I think. (If there were a data export option for mac that would allow me to figure out this basic relationship, I might be able to say more confidently.)

Also: I had a coffee when I got up, but didn't eat breakfast itself for a few hours. This wasn't super comfortable (or on purpose). Maybe the fasting did it?

I think it might also be because I had a HUGE almost 800-cal breakfast and was way over on fat. I was lowish on protein; have had much higher protein days and been hungrier.

Maintenance for my weight (143 lbs) has been ~2300ish for a long time.

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  • Lasmartchika
    Lasmartchika Posts: 3,440 Member
    Your profile is private, and your diary is closed.
  • tomatoey
    tomatoey Posts: 5,446 Member
    Sorry, just opened it. Thanks for trying :)
  • SweeDecadence92
    SweeDecadence92 Posts: 218 Member
    Well, you only had two meals, thats why. If you'd had dinner you'd almost definitely have went over. Looks like the meals you had were pretty hearty too, so maybe you didn't really feel all that hungry?

    If it works though, keep it up!
  • tomatoey
    tomatoey Posts: 5,446 Member
    Thanks :) I want to try! I was totally not hungry - don't get it at all! lol

    It was like this chronologically
    - Morning coffee, then nothing for hours (this didn't feel amazing but didn't feel awful), then a monster breakfast
    - Latte for lunch
    - "Lunch" was really dinner
  • Cryptonomnomicon
    Cryptonomnomicon Posts: 848 Member
    edited March 2015
    I don't really understand what you are asking OP. Are you asking about the satiety value of your meals or the validity of the calorie values of your food?

    Studies have shown that isoenergetic servings of different foods differ greatly in their satiating capacities. ergo different foods will make you feel fuller than others.

    DQynagG.jpg

    For feeling satiety and fullness, people should opt for foods that have high score. The chart shows that isoenergetic servings of different foods differ greatly in their satiating capacities. For examples, an apple will "fill you up" more than a serving of a cake of the same energy value. The highest SI score was produced by boiled potatoes which were nearly seven times higher than the lowest SI score of a croissant!

    Satiety is most strongly connected to the foods that weigh the most, or have high content of water, protein or fiber, regardless of the number of calories they contain.
    - See more at: http://www.strauss-water.com/eat-your-water#sthash.SQmMMbz2.dpuf
  • tomatoey
    tomatoey Posts: 5,446 Member
    edited March 2015
    I'm just trying to figure out what I did differently today that made it easy to eat 500-700 calories less than I normally would. I'd say I typically have a moderate diet, with a good amount of protein, at least. Less consistent on fiber.

    Is it likely to be because of the slight fast in the morning (relatively)? The huge breakfast? The high fat content? Going way over calories the day before?

    Thinking about it, I wonder if it's the fast + massive breakfast, maybe... On weekends in the past when I've gone for brunch, that combination's held me over for a while...

    By the way - thank you for the graph, that's quite helpful :)
  • LAWoman72
    LAWoman72 Posts: 2,846 Member
    I have non-hungry days. It just happens. There is probably some reason for it, or some combination of reasons, but since I can rarely make any solid correlation(s), I just accept that it was a non-hungry day, and realize that it will happen sometimes just as sometimes, I will get a really hungry day out of the blue.
  • tomatoey
    tomatoey Posts: 5,446 Member
    LAWoman72 wrote: »
    I have non-hungry days. It just happens. There is probably some reason for it, or some combination of reasons, but since I can rarely make any solid correlation(s), I just accept that it was a non-hungry day, and realize that it will happen sometimes just as sometimes, I will get a really hungry day out of the blue.

    I never do, lol! I would never spontaneously net <1600 on a non-cardio day - I can hardly manage it deliberately on a cardio day. You're right that it's hard to pick out the causes, but I'd like to try.

    I guess I'll try to repeat this day as best I can and report back.
  • tomatoey
    tomatoey Posts: 5,446 Member
    This is exactly why a data export option would be good, by the way. (I know there's a spreadsheet going around, but it's not for mac.)
  • LAWoman72
    LAWoman72 Posts: 2,846 Member
    edited March 2015
    tomatoey wrote: »
    LAWoman72 wrote: »
    I have non-hungry days. It just happens. There is probably some reason for it, or some combination of reasons, but since I can rarely make any solid correlation(s), I just accept that it was a non-hungry day, and realize that it will happen sometimes just as sometimes, I will get a really hungry day out of the blue.

    I never do, lol! I would never spontaneously net <1600 on a non-cardio day - I can hardly manage it deliberately on a cardio day. You're right that it's hard to pick out the causes, but I'd like to try.

    I guess I'll try to repeat this day as best I can and report back.

    Well, look for something that was drastically different for you today physically, mentally and/or eating-wise. :)

    One time I went on a binge bender for weeks. My sister took me out to eat and I only wanted a tiny portion of what was on my plate. She said, "You don't seem to be very hungry today." I said, "Well, I've been eating for two months. So I guess I'm finally full." (My sister and I always like to laugh...)

  • tomatoey
    tomatoey Posts: 5,446 Member
    LAWoman72 wrote: »
    tomatoey wrote: »
    LAWoman72 wrote: »
    I have non-hungry days. It just happens. There is probably some reason for it, or some combination of reasons, but since I can rarely make any solid correlation(s), I just accept that it was a non-hungry day, and realize that it will happen sometimes just as sometimes, I will get a really hungry day out of the blue.

    I never do, lol! I would never spontaneously net <1600 on a non-cardio day - I can hardly manage it deliberately on a cardio day. You're right that it's hard to pick out the causes, but I'd like to try.

    I guess I'll try to repeat this day as best I can and report back.

    Well, look for something that was drastically different for you today physically, mentally and/or eating-wise. :)

    One time I went on a binge bender for weeks. My sister took me out to eat and I only wanted a tiny portion of what was on my plate. She said, "You don't seem to be very hungry today." I said, "Well, I've been eating for two months. So I guess I'm finally full." (My sister and I always like to laugh...)

    It was a few things! Lol :)
  • LAWoman72
    LAWoman72 Posts: 2,846 Member
    tomatoey wrote: »
    LAWoman72 wrote: »
    tomatoey wrote: »
    LAWoman72 wrote: »
    I have non-hungry days. It just happens. There is probably some reason for it, or some combination of reasons, but since I can rarely make any solid correlation(s), I just accept that it was a non-hungry day, and realize that it will happen sometimes just as sometimes, I will get a really hungry day out of the blue.

    I never do, lol! I would never spontaneously net <1600 on a non-cardio day - I can hardly manage it deliberately on a cardio day. You're right that it's hard to pick out the causes, but I'd like to try.

    I guess I'll try to repeat this day as best I can and report back.

    Well, look for something that was drastically different for you today physically, mentally and/or eating-wise. :)

    One time I went on a binge bender for weeks. My sister took me out to eat and I only wanted a tiny portion of what was on my plate. She said, "You don't seem to be very hungry today." I said, "Well, I've been eating for two months. So I guess I'm finally full." (My sister and I always like to laugh...)

    It was a few things! Lol :)

    Good! So do those few things again.
  • tomatoey
    tomatoey Posts: 5,446 Member
    I will! To recap what I think they are in case anyone can recognize this in some theory or other
    - High fat day
    - Not as much protein as usual
    - Fast for four hours before breakfast
    - Beans at breakfast
    - Humongous breakfast

    Macros

    Totals 1,542 139 83 72 19 123
    Your Daily Goal 1,600 160 53 120 25 100
    Remaining 58 21 -30 48 6 -23
    Calories Carbs Fat Protein Fiber Iron
  • tomatoey
    tomatoey Posts: 5,446 Member
    (sorry to bump, just want to see if anyone's got ideas. I want to figure this out!)
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    I think you have lots of good ideas, but the best way to tell would be to look at why you didn't make it on other days, probably. For example, if you were hungry sooner after a meal and that meal had no fat or significantly less. Then experiment!

    I've found lately that the biggest thing for me is simply whether I've had enough sleep or not. I dropped caffeine and it was probably related to me all of a sudden wanting to eat again at times when I had successfully stopped wanting food.
  • tomatoey
    tomatoey Posts: 5,446 Member
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    I think you have lots of good ideas, but the best way to tell would be to look at why you didn't make it on other days, probably. For example, if you were hungry sooner after a meal and that meal had no fat or significantly less. Then experiment!

    I've found lately that the biggest thing for me is simply whether I've had enough sleep or not. I dropped caffeine and it was probably related to me all of a sudden wanting to eat again at times when I had successfully stopped wanting food.

    Lol, I don't think I've actually made my target until yesterday! I set it as something to work towards on off days, knowing I'd go over, but haven't met it yet. Goal is recomp, basically - until now, I've been ok with eating to fuel my workouts and seeing what physical improvements I can make at maintenance. I've been eating 2000-2300 (roughly; much higher than that on occasion). So that number has been more of an ideal than a serious goal. But I'd like to be stricter about it, because I want to try calorie cycling.

    It's so unusual for me, I want to extract as much info as possible, lol.

    It's tough too, because the analytics here don't support making these kinds of correlations. (I mean I can just sort of think about it, or go from one report to another and paste all that into Excel. I guess.)
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    When I first started this I was keeping good notes (on a separate word doc) and have gone away from that. I was just thinking that I wanted to start it up again to try and see what worked best for feeling satisfied and feeling energetic for workouts and all that. Basically a data crunching thing to try and keep myself extra motivated, as I've been doing the eh, I'll fuel the workout thing and see what happens more than I want to. (I'm ambivalent on whether I want to focus on recomp or lose a bit more weight first, and ambivalence means I'm not losing.)
  • tomatoey
    tomatoey Posts: 5,446 Member
    edited March 2015
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    When I first started this I was keeping good notes (on a separate word doc) and have gone away from that. I was just thinking that I wanted to start it up again to try and see what worked best for feeling satisfied and feeling energetic for workouts and all that. Basically a data crunching thing to try and keep myself extra motivated, as I've been doing the eh, I'll fuel the workout thing and see what happens more than I want to. (I'm ambivalent on whether I want to focus on recomp or lose a bit more weight first, and ambivalence means I'm not losing.)

    I think that's kind of what I've been doing, as well. I don't think it's necessarily a counterproductive approach, as long as we're pushing hard at training. Might get something out of that in the muscles :)

    Your record-keeping a great idea, I'll have do something like that. I do wish there were a way to use the data we do have more easily, though.

    Like, when I think - on a global level - about how things have gone for me in my process this time, so far, I have the impression that my appetite is reduced on days I do cardio. It might be true (and I think it is), but it will take a lot of futzing around with the reports to figure that out. That's just a simple correlation, as well, it really shouldn't be hard to do here. (I would infer satiety/appetite from the amount I ate, because I just eat when I'm hungry.)

    I once suggested a "satiety rating" button - I think that could go a long way towards helping people understand their best ratios. But, yeah, unlikely.
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