But my weight DID come on overnight!
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atypicalsmith wrote: »Stop blaming it on your thyroid, and start eating less and exercising more. Even your thyroid can't control CICO!
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Danilynn1975 wrote: »Most doctors only test the TSH. Very few will test the full thyroid panels because of insurance issues and payment. I know first hand because of having to drive 3 hours to New Orleans to get a doctor willing to order all of them and pay out of pocket for both doctor and labs. $1500 later I know I have thyroid problems and am still waiting for the endocrinologist appointment.
To get that endocrinologist appointment I had to take the records from the doctor at Tulane to the doctor up here for a referral. None of the endocrinologists up here will see you without a referral.
So, its very possible she could have Hashimoto's and a very normal range TSH.
Good luck Op. It's hard to find a good doctor.
For Hashimotos to affect noticeably her metabolism, she should have to be at the point where not only her TSH but also her T4 would be completely out off limits, she would have no energy to walk up the stairs and she would be falling asleep while in the middle of normal activities. Hashimoto's can be diagnosed from antibodies years before her TSH or T4 are affected, but there will be no significant change to the metabolism at this point. Until it gets really really bad it can perhaps affect a bit weight, mostly by water retention, but cannot add 60 lbs!
Actually, not always.
My TSH 1.64
My TPOab 1153
My T4, T3 both in range, although barely. can't say about weight for me, (But everyone is different.) currently because well, half of what I personally eat isn't staying down, I really wish that would stop. And I severely restrict calories to combat weight.
So if you just ran that one test and discounted the swelling in my throat, you'd really think everything was fine.
OP, I really hope you can get it sorted out. A good doctor seems to be the biggest hurdle to leap. If you are anywhere in Louisiana, Tulane Medical in New Orleans has a fabulous team of Doctors. I just wish my insurance would cover them and they were closer.
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mamapeach910 wrote: »atypicalsmith wrote: »Stop blaming it on your thyroid, and start eating less and exercising more. Even your thyroid can't control CICO!
Well now, wait a minute. If she does have a thyroid problem and it's untreated, attempting to diet will be like shoveling you know what against the tide.
There's no need to tell her to stop "blaming" her thyroid. Thyroid will affect the CO portion of CICO if it's not properly regulated. Someone with an unregulated thyroid will lose very, very, very slowly.
Now, saying that, I doubt the OP is eating at the 1400 that she thinks she is.
She said she can't get her doctor to check her thyroid. Huh? What doctor doesn't want to order a test and make more money? I've had many friends who blamed their weight gain on their thyroid problem while eating banana splits0 -
Yep, new doctor. It IS all about CICO!0
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atypicalsmith wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »atypicalsmith wrote: »Stop blaming it on your thyroid, and start eating less and exercising more. Even your thyroid can't control CICO!
Well now, wait a minute. If she does have a thyroid problem and it's untreated, attempting to diet will be like shoveling you know what against the tide.
There's no need to tell her to stop "blaming" her thyroid. Thyroid will affect the CO portion of CICO if it's not properly regulated. Someone with an unregulated thyroid will lose very, very, very slowly.
Now, saying that, I doubt the OP is eating at the 1400 that she thinks she is.
She said she can't get her doctor to check her thyroid. Huh? What doctor doesn't want to order a test and make more money? I've had many friends who blamed their weight gain on their thyroid problem while eating banana splits
Check her diary. It's really not bad. She's also losing hair and she'd previously tested borderline low. Something's not right here.
OP, I'd suggest you switch to weighing in grams, though. They're a bit more precise. I don't think that weighing in ounces is enough to throw you off as much as your problems would indicate, though.
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It's definitely bizarre and I'm not just making excuses. My boyfriend is worried about me dying, that's how bad it is. Sometimes he yells at me to go back to the doctor because he losses weight eating double what I eat and the same foods. We live together and he is also 5'4... A man, but about the same height.
In the 12 months I gained the weight, I did nutrisystem for four months, lchf for two months, a green juice fast (not my brightest moment) for two weeks, and now I've just straight counted calories with a digital scale for two months. The first four months I ate normal (which is in my opinion still pretty healthy) and I started to panic at the first thirty pounds. The other thirty were gained during those "diets" over the next eight months.
I suppose it's good the weight gain slowed, but I'm honest to god worried about my health. I shouldn't be this heavy for my frame and I'm scared sometimes walking up stairs that I'll tear my cartlidge in my knees or something. It can't continue at this pace. I don't want to die young.0 -
Nicole, please go see a different doctor. Also, be honest about the calories you are eating. If you are eating the same as your boyfriend, who may burn tons of calories at his job or whatever, while you are not, that's an excuse. Weigh everything, don't compare yourself to anyone else, and zone in on being healthy. You can do it0
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Yes, thank you. My mom is helping me look into other doctors in the area that may be less inclined to immediately judge. I plan on going shortly, because I really do want answers.atypicalsmith wrote: »Nicole, please go see a different doctor. Also, be honest about the calories you are eating. If you are eating the same as your boyfriend, who may burn tons of calories at his job or whatever, while you are not, that's an excuse. Weigh everything, don't compare yourself to anyone else, and zone in on being healthy. You can do it0 -
ValentineNicole wrote: »Not meaning to disrespect anyone yelling CICO, but I maintained a weight of 120 pounds until this year, and I eat approximately 1000-1600 calories every single day. And I weigh everything
And I think something else is being misconstrued - just because I weigh MYSELF daily doesn't mean I've given this "a day." I've tried every diet under the sun since my weight started creeping up. I was in damned near panic mode when I hit 150. I give every change a minimum of one full month... and my weight just keeps crawling upward.
People who are so adamant about CICO have never had the problem of nothing in your diet changing but your weight goes up dramatically in a short period of time. It happened to me. It can and does happen. Mine was a result of beginning a new medication. My doctor neglected to tell me that one of the side effects was "rapid and uncontrolled weight gain." Within a month I had gained over 50 pounds. One month!
Find another doctor. Go over all your meds and check online to see if weight gain is a side effect. Maybe see a dietician, sometimes they are better than a doctor in checking all aspects of your situation.
And try not to be discouraged. There's a reason this has happened and you will find it. Once you find out what it is you can do something about it.
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ValentineNicole wrote: »Not meaning to disrespect anyone yelling CICO, but I maintained a weight of 120 pounds until this year, and I eat approximately 1000-1600 calories every single day. And I weigh everything
And I think something else is being misconstrued - just because I weigh MYSELF daily doesn't mean I've given this "a day." I've tried every diet under the sun since my weight started creeping up. I was in damned near panic mode when I hit 150. I give every change a minimum of one full month... and my weight just keeps crawling upward.
People who are so adamant about CICO have never had the problem of nothing in your diet changing but your weight goes up dramatically in a short period of time. It happened to me. It can and does happen. Mine was a result of beginning a new medication. My doctor neglected to tell me that one of the side effects was "rapid and uncontrolled weight gain." Within a month I had gained over 50 pounds. One month!
Find another doctor. Go over all your meds and check online to see if weight gain is a side effect. Maybe see a dietician, sometimes they are better than a doctor in checking all aspects of your situation.
And try not to be discouraged. There's a reason this has happened and you will find it. Once you find out what it is you can do something about it.
Yeah no. 50lbs in a month? That would be over a pound a day.0 -
ValentineNicole wrote: »Not meaning to disrespect anyone yelling CICO, but I maintained a weight of 120 pounds until this year, and I eat approximately 1000-1600 calories every single day. And I weigh everything
And I think something else is being misconstrued - just because I weigh MYSELF daily doesn't mean I've given this "a day." I've tried every diet under the sun since my weight started creeping up. I was in damned near panic mode when I hit 150. I give every change a minimum of one full month... and my weight just keeps crawling upward.
People who are so adamant about CICO have never had the problem of nothing in your diet changing but your weight goes up dramatically in a short period of time. It happened to me. It can and does happen. Mine was a result of beginning a new medication. My doctor neglected to tell me that one of the side effects was "rapid and uncontrolled weight gain." Within a month I had gained over 50 pounds. One month!
Find another doctor. Go over all your meds and check online to see if weight gain is a side effect. Maybe see a dietician, sometimes they are better than a doctor in checking all aspects of your situation.
And try not to be discouraged. There's a reason this has happened and you will find it. Once you find out what it is you can do something about it.
Yeah no. 50lbs in a month? That would be over a pound a day.
Did you eat way over maintenance everyday when you put on 50lbs? @altogirl2
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christinev297 wrote: »ValentineNicole wrote: »Not meaning to disrespect anyone yelling CICO, but I maintained a weight of 120 pounds until this year, and I eat approximately 1000-1600 calories every single day. And I weigh everything
And I think something else is being misconstrued - just because I weigh MYSELF daily doesn't mean I've given this "a day." I've tried every diet under the sun since my weight started creeping up. I was in damned near panic mode when I hit 150. I give every change a minimum of one full month... and my weight just keeps crawling upward.
People who are so adamant about CICO have never had the problem of nothing in your diet changing but your weight goes up dramatically in a short period of time. It happened to me. It can and does happen. Mine was a result of beginning a new medication. My doctor neglected to tell me that one of the side effects was "rapid and uncontrolled weight gain." Within a month I had gained over 50 pounds. One month!
Find another doctor. Go over all your meds and check online to see if weight gain is a side effect. Maybe see a dietician, sometimes they are better than a doctor in checking all aspects of your situation.
And try not to be discouraged. There's a reason this has happened and you will find it. Once you find out what it is you can do something about it.
Yeah no. 50lbs in a month? That would be over a pound a day.
Did you eat way over maintenance everyday when you put on 50lbs? @altogirl2
No, nothing in my diet or lifestyle changed. I didn't realize it was happening because it was so sudden. One day, none of my clothes fit. I saw my doctor soon after and he apologized for not telling me that rapid, sudden weight gain might be a consequence of taking the medication. It was zyprexa if anyone wants to look it up. Needless to say, I stopped it immediately.
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Just discovered I have an under active thyroid at 239.4 pounds. Like you my diet wasn't bad, if anything it's gotten better. No fizzy drinks or take outs. Everything is prepared by me and me alone so I know what goes in.
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christinev297 wrote: »ValentineNicole wrote: »Not meaning to disrespect anyone yelling CICO, but I maintained a weight of 120 pounds until this year, and I eat approximately 1000-1600 calories every single day. And I weigh everything
And I think something else is being misconstrued - just because I weigh MYSELF daily doesn't mean I've given this "a day." I've tried every diet under the sun since my weight started creeping up. I was in damned near panic mode when I hit 150. I give every change a minimum of one full month... and my weight just keeps crawling upward.
People who are so adamant about CICO have never had the problem of nothing in your diet changing but your weight goes up dramatically in a short period of time. It happened to me. It can and does happen. Mine was a result of beginning a new medication. My doctor neglected to tell me that one of the side effects was "rapid and uncontrolled weight gain." Within a month I had gained over 50 pounds. One month!
Find another doctor. Go over all your meds and check online to see if weight gain is a side effect. Maybe see a dietician, sometimes they are better than a doctor in checking all aspects of your situation.
And try not to be discouraged. There's a reason this has happened and you will find it. Once you find out what it is you can do something about it.
Yeah no. 50lbs in a month? That would be over a pound a day.
Did you eat way over maintenance everyday when you put on 50lbs? @altogirl2
No, nothing in my diet or lifestyle changed. I didn't realize it was happening because it was so sudden. One day, none of my clothes fit. I saw my doctor soon after and he apologized for not telling me that rapid, sudden weight gain might be a consequence of taking the medication. It was zyprexa if anyone wants to look it up. Needless to say, I stopped it immediately.
I gained about 30 in 3 weeks on Zyprexa, although I wasn't tracking intake at the time and i'm sure I overate - that in combination with the massive metabolism slow-down from the Zyprexa really did me over.0 -
christinev297 wrote: »ValentineNicole wrote: »Not meaning to disrespect anyone yelling CICO, but I maintained a weight of 120 pounds until this year, and I eat approximately 1000-1600 calories every single day. And I weigh everything
And I think something else is being misconstrued - just because I weigh MYSELF daily doesn't mean I've given this "a day." I've tried every diet under the sun since my weight started creeping up. I was in damned near panic mode when I hit 150. I give every change a minimum of one full month... and my weight just keeps crawling upward.
People who are so adamant about CICO have never had the problem of nothing in your diet changing but your weight goes up dramatically in a short period of time. It happened to me. It can and does happen. Mine was a result of beginning a new medication. My doctor neglected to tell me that one of the side effects was "rapid and uncontrolled weight gain." Within a month I had gained over 50 pounds. One month!
Find another doctor. Go over all your meds and check online to see if weight gain is a side effect. Maybe see a dietician, sometimes they are better than a doctor in checking all aspects of your situation.
And try not to be discouraged. There's a reason this has happened and you will find it. Once you find out what it is you can do something about it.
Yeah no. 50lbs in a month? That would be over a pound a day.
Did you eat way over maintenance everyday when you put on 50lbs? @altogirl2
No, nothing in my diet or lifestyle changed. I didn't realize it was happening because it was so sudden. One day, none of my clothes fit. I saw my doctor soon after and he apologized for not telling me that rapid, sudden weight gain might be a consequence of taking the medication. It was zyprexa if anyone wants to look it up. Needless to say, I stopped it immediately.
That is an unreal amount to put on in a month
I would have stopped taking it too. Did you find a suitable replacement, and did you manage to lose it?
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christinev297 wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »ValentineNicole wrote: »Not meaning to disrespect anyone yelling CICO, but I maintained a weight of 120 pounds until this year, and I eat approximately 1000-1600 calories every single day. And I weigh everything
No, nothing in my diet or lifestyle changed. I didn't realize it was happening because it was so sudden. One day, none of my clothes fit. I saw my doctor soon after and he apologized for not telling me that rapid, sudden weight gain might be a consequence of taking the medication. It was zyprexa if anyone wants to look it up. Needless to say, I stopped it immediately.
That is an unreal amount to put on in a month
I would have stopped taking it too. Did you find a suitable replacement, and did you manage to lose it?
I was dx as bipolar II by this same doctor. I'm still not sure if the dx is accurate or not, but it really put me off taking psycotropic medications. I didn't try anything else and I've been fine. I was at a period in my life when the stress was unbelievable. Now that my life has calmed down, I've calmed down, LOL! I'm still trying to lose the weight but this is the first time anything is really working, long-term. It's been about 10 years since the zyprexa incident. I can't eat nearly as much as I used to before I took it, but that could be due to aging also, I'm post-menopausal now and I know my metabolism has also slowed down due to that.
I do think that CICO is accurate 99% of the time but I think that painting everyone with the same paintbrush can be dangerous, especially where health is concerned.0 -
This is a reply to a question from Christinev297. I think I deleted the quote marks.
I was dx as bipolar II by this same doctor. I'm still not sure if the dx is accurate or not, but it really put me off taking psycotropic medications. I didn't try anything else and I've been fine. I was at a period in my life when the stress was unbelievable. Now that my life has calmed down, I've calmed down, LOL! I'm still trying to lose the weight but this is the first time anything is really working, long-term. It's been about 10 years since the zyprexa incident. I can't eat nearly as much as I used to before I took it, but that could be due to aging also, I'm post-menopausal now and I know my metabolism has also slowed down due to that.
I do think that CICO is accurate 99% of the time but I think that painting everyone with the same paintbrush can be dangerous, especially where health is concerned.0 -
It would certainly be beneficial to see a doctor again for sure and have some tests run. In looking at your food diary for the past month, you also have lots of nutritional deficiency's, which could lead to weight gain, hair loss, etc. You have many entries for the month that lack breakfast and/or lunch nutrition. "Kind" bars and eating out can lead to some of your symptoms. Sorry to be so direct, but this part seems to be missing in the conversation so far. Many of your dinners look great - if you ate similarly for breakfast and dinner (balanced each meal with lots of veggies, protein, and good carbs), your body would get what it needs. I would be willing to bet that you are nutrient deficient from the entries that you have made. Your dinners look great! Calories in, calories out is true, but you need them to be good calories or your body will respond negatively. Again, sorry if I sound to direct, but this seems to be a big piece of the puzzle as well.0
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Altogirl Thanks for taking the time to respond. I'm glad to hear you're in a good place now
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christinev297 wrote: »Altogirl Thanks for taking the time to respond. I'm glad to hear you're in a good place now xx
Thanks.
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It would certainly be beneficial to see a doctor again for sure and have some tests run. In looking at your food diary for the past month, you also have lots of nutritional deficiency's, which could lead to weight gain, hair loss, etc. You have many entries for the month that lack breakfast and/or lunch nutrition. "Kind" bars and eating out can lead to some of your symptoms. Sorry to be so direct, but this part seems to be missing in the conversation so far. Many of your dinners look great - if you ate similarly for breakfast and dinner (balanced each meal with lots of veggies, protein, and good carbs), your body would get what it needs. I would be willing to bet that you are nutrient deficient from the entries that you have made. Your dinners look great! Calories in, calories out is true, but you need them to be good calories or your body will respond negatively. Again, sorry if I sound to direct, but this seems to be a big piece of the puzzle as well.
That's not a bad idea. I have a tendency to eat lunch and breakfast on the go, as an afterthought. I'm a little addicted to the low sugar kind bars, lol. Reasonable calories, carbs, sugar and fiber... But you're right, they shouldn't take the place of so many meals0 -
If any of you have never experienced hypothyroidism, then please don't give advice about how it "should" manifest itself. Or what a book or doctor says it may do. In the end everyone's body reacts differently to it. I know firsthand.0
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CICO is the only thing that works, because science.Grumpy619 wrote:I am NOT a fan of calories in vs. calories out...
I gained 50 pounds of my excess weight years ago in a 6 months stint on medication - yes, calories in vs. calories out did NOT work then, and doesn't always work now...
Your experience was not a violation of CICO.
That drug changed your CO and you didn't change your CI.
If you eat more than your body needs, you will gain weight. It doesn't matter if that's because your thyroid is wonky or because you eat a large pizza & 2 banana splits every day while sitting on the couch playing video games.
If you eat less than your body needs, you will lose weight. It doesn't matter if that's because you're anorexic/bulemic or because you're running a marathon every day and only eating 2000 calories.0 -
OP, I'd start with making a list of your symptoms so you can explain to your doctor _exactly_ why you are worried and want tests.
If she still ignores you, find another doctor. See if your insurance can give you a referral.
Also see if they can get you in to see an endocrinologist. My weight loss doc is an endocrinologist specializing in weight issues, so one of the things he does on the first visit is to order a wide array of blood tests in order to find (or rule out) any metabolic issues.
Actually, given what you've said so far, I'd get another doctor anyway. I expect to be a partner in my health care. I try to inform myself and I expect to have an intelligent conversation with my doctor so I can make informed decisions.0 -
CICO is the only thing that works, because science.Grumpy619 wrote:I am NOT a fan of calories in vs. calories out...
I gained 50 pounds of my excess weight years ago in a 6 months stint on medication - yes, calories in vs. calories out did NOT work then, and doesn't always work now...
Your experience was not a violation of CICO.
That drug changed your CO and you didn't change your CI.
If you eat more than your body needs, you will gain weight. It doesn't matter if that's because your thyroid is wonky or because you eat a large pizza & 2 banana splits every day while sitting on the couch playing video games.
If you eat less than your body needs, you will lose weight. It doesn't matter if that's because you're anorexic/bulemic or because you're running a marathon every day and only eating 2000 calories.
Yeah, um...it's not that simple. We're talking hormonal changes, which is so much more specific than the broad idea of metabolism. In a time like this, it's also about the KIND of food eaten. Do you even know what metabolism is? Not what it does, but what it IS. It is determined by hormones, and different foods affect your hormones. At a time of hormone imbalance, one may need to adjust the foods in their diet, NOT just how much they eat.0 -
The OP sounds exactly like the way my body works. I have five different metabolic diseases, including some very severe/rare issues that developed after I had a brain aneurysm and several brain surgeries which damaged my pituitary gland.
Please see an endocrinologist for an evaluation. I would be shocked if you don't have something metabolic going on. Since your PCP is not helpful, trying checking with your GYN if you need a recommendation or referral.
With treatment (thyroid meds, other oral meds, daily injections) I AM able to lose weight and maintain, but it takes extraordinary effort. I need to eat right on target and get significant exercise just about every day or I will gain.0 -
Have you had any thyroid testing since you were younger? Your hypothyroid state then may have been a result of your food restriction/malnutrition, a condition known as central hypothyroidism. Your TSH would be low as well as your T4, as your current tests seem to indicate here. Usually central hypothyroidism is transient and resolves when the malnutrition resolves but not in all cases. This is NOT the same as Hashimoto's disease; it's not autoimmune in nature.
I am not an endocrinologist (merely a lowly internist). Seeing an endo is definitely the best idea. The hypothalamic-pituitary axis is a complicated system and just seeing a few results tells very little about the big picture. It takes a lot of detective work to make a proper diagnosis.
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Danilynn1975 wrote: »Danilynn1975 wrote: »Most doctors only test the TSH. Very few will test the full thyroid panels because of insurance issues and payment. I know first hand because of having to drive 3 hours to New Orleans to get a doctor willing to order all of them and pay out of pocket for both doctor and labs. $1500 later I know I have thyroid problems and am still waiting for the endocrinologist appointment.
To get that endocrinologist appointment I had to take the records from the doctor at Tulane to the doctor up here for a referral. None of the endocrinologists up here will see you without a referral.
So, its very possible she could have Hashimoto's and a very normal range TSH.
Good luck Op. It's hard to find a good doctor.
For Hashimotos to affect noticeably her metabolism, she should have to be at the point where not only her TSH but also her T4 would be completely out off limits, she would have no energy to walk up the stairs and she would be falling asleep while in the middle of normal activities. Hashimoto's can be diagnosed from antibodies years before her TSH or T4 are affected, but there will be no significant change to the metabolism at this point. Until it gets really really bad it can perhaps affect a bit weight, mostly by water retention, but cannot add 60 lbs!
Actually, not always.
My TSH 1.64
My TPOab 1153
My T4, T3 both in range, although barely. can't say about weight for me, (But everyone is different.) currently because well, half of what I personally eat isn't staying down, I really wish that would stop. And I severely restrict calories to combat weight.
So if you just ran that one test and discounted the swelling in my throat, you'd really think everything was fine.
OP, I really hope you can get it sorted out. A good doctor seems to be the biggest hurdle to leap. If you are anywhere in Louisiana, Tulane Medical in New Orleans has a fabulous team of Doctors. I just wish my insurance would cover them and they were closer.
I admit I am a bit confused by what you mean. You can have Hashimoto's and still not be hypothryoid yet (or ever). You have the antibodies, not the elevated TSH right now. Which is how Hashimoto's starts (and can stay for decades) for everyone. What is weird about it? I do nto think any dr would tell you you can blame weight issues on this, because you are not hypothyroid.
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