be cautious about fiber

Just a quick note to remind everyone to be cautious about adding fiber to your diet. I wasn't and ate 33 grams on Wednesday and wound up in the ER with vomiting and diarrhea. Yuck! It was pretty grim and i don't want anyone else to have to go thru it. The Canadian guidelines call for only 15g of fiber and i will be going by this from now on. The American number of 25g seem excessive. Be safe everyone!
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  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    What makes you think it was the fiber that made you vomit and not something else?
  • PeachyCarol
    PeachyCarol Posts: 8,029 Member
    Um, no. I eat way more than that. Fiber does not make you vomit.
  • Alyssa_Is_LosingIt
    Alyssa_Is_LosingIt Posts: 4,696 Member
    I went over my fiber yesterday. Am I going to die?!?!
  • PeachyCarol
    PeachyCarol Posts: 8,029 Member
    I went over my fiber yesterday. Am I going to die?!?!

    Are you sure you're not already dead?

    I think I have to be. I routinely get at least 30-50g.

  • Sued0nim
    Sued0nim Posts: 17,456 Member
    edited March 2015
    What?

    A healthy daily fibre amount, for those without medical conditions is 25-35g although it does change per country recommendations

    Perhaps it was something else?
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    LOL...I eat between 30 and 40 grams per day and this has never happened to me...I don't think it was the fiber. That's *kitten* hilarious...guess you should lay off the veggies huh?
  • Arliah
    Arliah Posts: 266 Member
    I try to get 30g a day, and it had only positive effects ... the OP's condition sounds more like a severe allergic reaction or food poisoning to me (had both before, not pleasant!). OP, feel better!
  • asdowe13
    asdowe13 Posts: 1,951 Member
    apfei wrote: »
    Just a quick note to remind everyone to be cautious about adding fiber to your diet. I wasn't and ate 33 grams on Wednesday and wound up in the ER with vomiting and diarrhea. Yuck! It was pretty grim and i don't want anyone else to have to go thru it. The Canadian guidelines call for only 15g of fiber and i will be going by this from now on. The American number of 25g seem excessive. Be safe everyone!

    Can you prove that this was caused by fibre?

    What else was different in your diet?
    Do you have a medical condition that would cause high fibre to do this?

  • monikker
    monikker Posts: 322 Member
    I'm kinda suspicious of super high fiber intake but 33 grams isn't that big of a deal, at least not for my body.
  • onelonelysocknoble
    onelonelysocknoble Posts: 27 Member
    edited March 2015
    I think most of us have issues with getting enough fibre and water, let's not worry folks by scaremongering.
    As fibre helps move waste through your system, how does it trigger a backwards vomiting movement? Agree with MamaPeach that it doesn't
  • TheVirgoddess
    TheVirgoddess Posts: 4,535 Member
    I eat between 30-50g a day. I've never gotten sick from it. I'd guess something else caused your illness.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    I think most of us have issues with getting enough fibre and water....

    I wouldn't say "most". There are quite a lot of people on MFP who rock it nutritionally speaking and fitness wise.
  • Timorous_Beastie
    Timorous_Beastie Posts: 595 Member
    If it was 33g of fiber mostly from Fiber One type bars, I could see being in pain. Those things turn me into a Fart Factory. It's the sugar alcohols in them that upset my stomach.

    I've had way more than 33g of fiber from fruits and veg that didn't cause any digestive upset.
  • JPW1990
    JPW1990 Posts: 2,424 Member
    33g of Metamucil?
  • LoupGarouTFTs
    LoupGarouTFTs Posts: 916 Member
    Hmmmm . . . I generally get between 10 and 15g of fiber a day and have gone as high as 45g, but I've never gotten sick from it. Am I immune to fiber?
  • AmazonMayan
    AmazonMayan Posts: 1,168 Member
    I've never heard of it causing vomiting...sounds like something else caused that.

    It does make things move along faster and that is why increasing fiber intake slowly is better if you aren't used to much. I almost always take in 30 to 50g daily with no ill effects. Lots of water is a good idea too.
  • LaurenAOK
    LaurenAOK Posts: 2,475 Member
    OP could be sensitive to fiber but it still seems really unlikely that fiber alone caused vomiting and an ER trip.

    Per my Dr's orders I'm supposed to stay under 20g of fiber per day - my stomach is really sensitive to it. I get bloating and horrible stomach aches easily, and limiting fiber helps prevent that. However, I've never had anything like what OP described.
  • Jgasmic
    Jgasmic Posts: 219 Member
    When I add too much fiber too quickly I would generally have the opposite problem-nothing coming out at all, but that was almost always when I bought a super fiber cereal or snack bar or something. I don't regularly track fiber, just assume that as long as everything is moving along regularly I'm doing ok.
  • TheVirgoddess
    TheVirgoddess Posts: 4,535 Member
    If it was 33g of fiber mostly from Fiber One type bars, I could see being in pain. Those things turn me into a Fart Factory. It's the sugar alcohols in them that upset my stomach.

    I've had way more than 33g of fiber from fruits and veg that didn't cause any digestive upset.

    Oh those things tear my stomach up. Which sucks because I really love the cinnamon bars.
  • PikaKnight
    PikaKnight Posts: 34,971 Member
    What did you eat? Did you log it? If so, can you open your diary so we can see? Are you sure it wasn't food poisoning? Did a doctor actually tell you that you got sick BECAUSE of the fiber?

    I've eaten 25-45g of fiber and never got sick because of it specifically.
  • asdowe13
    asdowe13 Posts: 1,951 Member
    The only thing eating too much fiber does to me is bind me up.
    I like to stick in the mid to high teens.

    It helps me detox 2-3 times/day
  • SilverRose89
    SilverRose89 Posts: 447 Member
    apfei wrote: »
    Just a quick note to remind everyone to be cautious about adding fiber to your diet. I wasn't and ate 33 grams on Wednesday and wound up in the ER with vomiting and diarrhea. Yuck! It was pretty grim and i don't want anyone else to have to go thru it. The Canadian guidelines call for only 15g of fiber and i will be going by this from now on. The American number of 25g seem excessive. Be safe everyone!

    So the doctors in ER put it down to fiber intake? Or are you making an assumption?
  • mkakids
    mkakids Posts: 1,913 Member
    So, my neighbor just had this happen........I was taking the kids to school a couple of days ago and noticed an ambulance in front of their house. When I got back, I texted her and her husband to see if they were OK and if there was anything they needed (they have 2 young kids that I thought they may need help with).

    About 8 hours later she called me to say that she had recently gone onto a "clean eating" no sugar, high fiber diet (her words, not mine). She ate so much fiber, she got HORRENDOUS gas, and was having intestinal distress and chest pain! She thought she was having a heart attack and called 911. They did an EKG and some other tests, but determined it was from gas, which was caused by the sudden flood of fiber.


    I can also attest to having gas that will make you think your going to die, lol. After my first c/section I had HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE pain in my back from an air bubble that was trapped during the surgery. The pain came on 5-6 days after the surgery when I was already home (Dr said it was likely trapped somewhere else but moved and the new location was painful). My Dr. just told me to take gas X (which was laughable and didn't work). I was in so much pain I couldn't stand on my own, and stayed in the fetal position for over 24 hours. It felt like something was trying to rip its way out from inside me.

    I can handle pain. I didn't take a single pain med (tylenol, IB profen....nothing) after the c/section and also later delivered an almost 10# baby who was positioned sunny side up, naturally with NO pain meds, gas, nothing). I have also had 10 stitches in my hand without anesthesia or pain meds of any kind.


    So I'm not saying that fiber is bad...that's obvious But going from a very small amount to a large amount CAN produce HORRIBLE gas that can, indeed, send you to the ER. Gas pain can be HORRID.
  • Pupslice
    Pupslice Posts: 213 Member
    That actually sounds more like food poisoning or a stomach flu, OP, are you sure it was the fiber?
  • Pupslice
    Pupslice Posts: 213 Member
    mkakids wrote: »
    So, my neighbor just had this happen........I was taking the kids to school a couple of days ago and noticed an ambulance in front of their house. When I got back, I texted her and her husband to see if they were OK and if there was anything they needed (they have 2 young kids that I thought they may need help with).

    About 8 hours later she called me to say that she had recently gone onto a "clean eating" no sugar, high fiber diet (her words, not mine). She ate so much fiber, she got HORRENDOUS gas, and was having intestinal distress and chest pain! She thought she was having a heart attack and called 911. They did an EKG and some other tests, but determined it was from gas, which was caused by the sudden flood of fiber.


    I can also attest to having gas that will make you think your going to die, lol. After my first c/section I had HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE pain in my back from an air bubble that was trapped during the surgery. The pain came on 5-6 days after the surgery when I was already home (Dr said it was likely trapped somewhere else but moved and the new location was painful). My Dr. just told me to take gas X (which was laughable and didn't work). I was in so much pain I couldn't stand on my own, and stayed in the fetal position for over 24 hours. It felt like something was trying to rip its way out from inside me.

    I can handle pain. I didn't take a single pain med (tylenol, IB profen....nothing) after the c/section and also later delivered an almost 10# baby who was positioned sunny side up, naturally with NO pain meds, gas, nothing). I have also had 10 stitches in my hand without anesthesia or pain meds of any kind.


    So I'm not saying that fiber is bad...that's obvious But going from a very small amount to a large amount CAN produce HORRIBLE gas that can, indeed, send you to the ER. Gas pain can be HORRID.

    That's true...I recall hearing that things made with psyllium can cause a lot of gas like that as well, and psyllium is in a lot of high-fiber products.
  • TheVirgoddess
    TheVirgoddess Posts: 4,535 Member
    Right, gas sucks. But it doesn't make you vomit and crap your brains out, which is what the OP was in the ER for.
  • WalkingAlong
    WalkingAlong Posts: 4,926 Member
    Many diet authorities will suggest you ramp up your fiber levels slowly because it can cause gas and constipation in people, or other bathroom issues. I don't know how it could cause vomiting.
  • apfei
    apfei Posts: 20 Member
    Hmm... Thanx for the replies, everyone. I see my doctor on Tuesday on another matter and will follow up with him on whether it indeed was food poisoning.
  • PikaKnight
    PikaKnight Posts: 34,971 Member
    apfei wrote: »
    Hmm... Thanx for the replies, everyone. I see my doctor on Tuesday on another matter and will follow up with him on whether it indeed was food poisoning.

    They didn't tell you/talk to you about the reasons you'd be throwing up at the ER??
  • I think the crucial point here is not the absolute amount of fibre consumed, but the rapid increase in quantity above that which the OP usually consumed. Whist mainly posters have stated that they comfortably tolerate higher quantitied of fibre, the key point is that they REGULARLY do this. The bowel can be trained to accept many things, but tends to react badly to sudden shocks.
    And although I agree that the symptoms fit food poisoning, and that this should be excluded before definitively blaming the fibre increase, I CAN see how it could produce the symptoms described: an excess of fibre could put the bowel into stasis. If the OP then added more food and drink, then it cannot move on from the stomach, which eventually rejects the load - vomiting. Meanwhile, the bowel is painfully stretched - particularly if a lot of gas is involved,, resulting in violent spasms which are extremely painful, snd expel not only blockage, but the undigested food fron higher up - diarrhoea.
    - Not nice. My sympathy to the OP.