Can't cut any more -- time to bulk?

keithcw_the_first
keithcw_the_first Posts: 382 Member
I'm at about 12% BF; I wanted to get down to 10 but I don't think I can swing it.

Time to bulk for a little bit and try again? My lifts are all kind of stalling too, or at least just grinding along very slowly.

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  • terizius
    terizius Posts: 425 Member
    I'd say you are the point where you could do either. If lifts are stalling, I would do a short bulk to kick things into gear again, then resume my cut.
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
    I'm at about 12% BF; I wanted to get down to 10 but I don't think I can swing it.

    Time to bulk for a little bit and try again? My lifts are all kind of stalling too, or at least just grinding along very slowly.

    Depends on a number of things and it would be hard to outline everything in detail but if I were to generalize:

    How long have you been dieting?
    Why do you think you can't get to 10%
    How do you feel about your current body composition and do you WANT to bulk?
    How's your food focus/relationship with food as of late?
    Are you using weekly refeeds?


    Without knowing much more about your situation it's hard to advise. If you've not considered a diet break, that also might be a possible consideration. For example taking 2 weeks at maintenance caloric intake then resuming the deficit. But that sort of depends on the above answers still -- for example if you've only been at it for a few weeks it might not make as much sense but if you've been dieting for a few months and feeling run down, a diet break might be the right step.
  • keithcw_the_first
    keithcw_the_first Posts: 382 Member
    Dieting in earnest since January. Off and on for years.

    It's taking a long time to grind out this last 2% at about .75 pounds a week and it's taking its toll. I've got about 7 pounds to go, assuming no loss of lean mass.

    I wish I was leaner, but I think it might be easier to try cutting to 10 with a few more pounds of muscle.

    Food focus is constant. Probably too much. Weekends end up looser so there's a bit of a refeed there but usually not regimented.
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
    Dieting in earnest since January. Off and on for years.

    It's taking a long time to grind out this last 2% at about .75 pounds a week and it's taking its toll. I've got about 7 pounds to go, assuming no loss of lean mass.

    I wish I was leaner, but I think it might be easier to try cutting to 10 with a few more pounds of muscle.

    Food focus is constant. Probably too much. Weekends end up looser so there's a bit of a refeed there but usually not regimented.

    If you don't feel like you have enough lean mass to look good around 10% then that's a good reason to bulk.

    If the issue were just food focus/diet fatigue then I'd go the diet break route followed by going back to a deficit as that would help to resolve some of the food focus and performance issues.
  • keithcw_the_first
    keithcw_the_first Posts: 382 Member
    So maybe, ratchet up daily intake by 100 or 200 per day per week?
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
    If the plan is to go into a surplus I'd probably start with 200-300 calories the first week and then about 100 each additional week and monitor your change in weight as you go.
  • flab2fab760
    flab2fab760 Posts: 47 Member
    How clean are you eating? Are you consuming alcohol? Are you getting enough sleep? Are you doing enough cardio?

    Lots of factors to consider!
  • keithcw_the_first
    keithcw_the_first Posts: 382 Member
    Fairly clean; alcohol on weekends. Not enough sleep.

    I do 20 minutes of HIIT once a week plus some incidental walking here and there.
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  • Springfield1970
    Springfield1970 Posts: 1,945 Member
    edited April 2015
    How clean are you eating? Are you consuming alcohol? Are you getting enough sleep? Are you doing enough cardio?

    Lots of factors to consider!

    Only questions 2 and 3 are relevant. Clean eating and fat loss is unrelated. Cardio can actually cause catabolism of muscle if done too intensly and too long for people on a deficit and with little body fat spare (body can only burn 30 calories per day per pound of fat, so if not fuelled properly, no glycogen store left, and over lactate threshold you're in trouble).

    Calorie deficit is what matters here.

    Alcohol robs nutrients which isn't good on a deficit, it also disturbs sleep, amongst other things. Though sleep is important, you don't need it for fat loss.


  • LolBroScience
    LolBroScience Posts: 4,537 Member
    Fairly clean; alcohol on weekends. Not enough sleep.

    I do 20 minutes of HIIT once a week plus some incidental walking here and there.

    You more than likely would just need to tighten up your adherence if you were looking to get lower in bf%.
  • keithcw_the_first
    keithcw_the_first Posts: 382 Member
    Yeah, I'm re-running my numbers and I am eking out a slight deficit every week. I'll probably drop the HIIT session so I get an extra rest day in.

    I figure if I don't lose an appreciable amount of LBM I need to drop 7 pounds to get to 10%. At .5 - .75 lbs. a week that's... a long ways away.

    My patience is wearing thin for sure and I'm trying to decide if it's worth pushing for this solely out of vanity.

    If I bulk, gain 10 pounds and half of it is muscle, I can do another cut and be around where I am now in weight but at a lower BF%.
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