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  • evahw
    evahw Posts: 5 Member
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    Hi Cheyenne (pretty name btw)! I can completely relate to this. My entire life from the age of 3 or 4 has been affected by self-consciousness and criticism, from the first day of school right into adulthood.
    I've only recently (in the past three months or so) been able to start completely turning this around for myself - wearing clothes I wouldn't have dared to before, and seeing myself in a whole new way... without losing any weight. It's not a magic switch but it's happening faster than I thought and feels really good!
    Here are three things I can suggest that I know help me:

    1) You are clearly very healthy physically, and the problem is with how you feel about your body, and not with your body itself. You don't need to change your body at all (can't emphasise this bit enough!) but how you see and think about it!
    2) Try making a list, starting right now, of all the things you do really like about yourself (both physical and personality/character/ability-wise). This is not narcissism or new-agey BS, it's necessary to like things about yourself - keep the list somewhere safe, add to it when you think of something else you like, and dig it out when you're feeling down or like you're going crazy over certain things that are bothering you. It's a great reminder of all the things you feel great about, and helps to shrink the problems that seemed overwhelming and put them into their place. Honestly, really do give this a go!
    3) This was HUGE for me... realising that what other people think about me and my body, positive or negative, is not my issue - it's theirs. Realising that was like realising the heavy bags you thought you had to carry up the mountain don't actually belong to you, and aren't your responsibility. Leaving behind the heavy bags feels great and frees you up - and so does leaving behind other people's issues! If I'm out and someone shouts to me that my derriere is the size of Russia... so what?! I know I'm healthy, and what they think is entirely their problem, not mine! I actually kinda like my big soft cushy tush anyway. Shaking off the responsibility of other people's judgement of you gives you the time and energy to concentrate on what you do own - what you think about yourself.

    I know this stuff isn't the magic potion of self-hatred, and that everything will be squeakily perfect when you've read this, but these things really do help me - I thought that maybe they might do something good to you too. I really do hope you get to feel brilliant being you, asap!!

    Eva :) xx
    P.S. Stretch marks ARE common, I have them too and I've never been preggers. It's just from where you've grown quickly. Loads of people (especially tall people) get them from growth spurts in puberty, teenage breast and hip development, and loads of other reasons. If some people don't know that, that's their lack of knowledge and not your problem either! ;)
  • nonnalynn
    nonnalynn Posts: 651 Member
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    Realising that was like realising the heavy bags you thought you had to carry up the mountain don't actually belong to you, and aren't your responsibility.
    Wow! I love this analogy. I used to feel like it WAS my responsibility to carry everyone's bags up the mountain. When I realized the bags were not PART OF ME, I was able to put them down AND move the mountain! Thxoxo for the clear image!
  • nancyjay__
    nancyjay__ Posts: 310 Member
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    LONG POST ALERT**
    Hi there! I have read your post and quick read some of the comments. And I gotta say you look like a beautiful girl and your bmi seems perfect. Now I hate when people tell me that lol because bmi can be sooooo vague. Let me share some things with you.

    1. The scale is NOT your friend; it doesnt differenciate against fat or muscle
    2. stretch marks ARE NORMAL; and even happen to body builders and tiny girls all around the world. **I had a son 7yrs ago and I was a tiny thing got so many stretch marks that ruined my self-esteem>last yr I did a bodybuilding BIKINI comp and felt great!
    3. Food is your friend; its what makes you feel good and energized if you use it wisely
    4. 4. Cardio is NOT I REPEAT NOT ALL that's needed to lose weight.
    5. DONT DEPRIVE YOURSELF OR YOU WILL BINGE


    My advice is get rid of the scale! Like now! Seriously break it throw it away give it away. You should never be weighting yourself everyday. Sometimes I get up I'm so bloated I weigh 2 lbs more than the day before. I too am struggling with my weight right now and I've been at it for a month with 6lbs of change but with a low cal defecit (CLEAN DIET) with some cheat snacks and meals. Weight means nothing when you workout. I weighted 115lbs (depression makes me lose appetite and physcially sick) and was grossly skinny at 5"3 i had PTSD **too long of a sorry to get into** I started working out mainly because I needed an escape ..an outlet out of my reality because the cigarettes and redbulls were taking me nowhere fast. I had nightmares migraines stomach pain and acid I slept all day neglected my full time job to the point I only worked 2-3 days out of the 5. I was destroying my life and working out saved me. But because I started LIFTING with little to NO cardio. As a control freak not being able to control my life at the time caused my chronic depression and PTSD but I gained back my LIFE when I started working out met new people and I'm so happy now. But I wouldn't have been able to do it without professional help. And I read up there that you had counseling but they weren't talking about your issue. Next time I want you to be assertive and TELL THEM EXACTLY WHAT YOU TOLD US. TELL THEM EXACTLY AND ESPECIFICALLY WHAT YOUR GOAL IS. AND I DONT MEAN WEIGHT GOAL BECAUSE WEIGHT ON A SCALE SHOULD NEVER BE A GOAL. BEING HAPPY IN YOUR OWN SKIN! INCHES CAN BE A GOAL, BODY, FAT, BEING ABLE TO DEADLIFT 200LB **WHICH IS MY GOAL
  • cheyenne__brown
    cheyenne__brown Posts: 25 Member
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    stepherz84 wrote: »
    I am half an inch taller than you and can tell you that at 10 and a half stone you are not fat. If you feel you are, it could be down to bf% maybe? But all I know is that when I was 10 stone I was super skinny, there were ribs and bones everywhere, at 10 and a half I was skinny but I was happiest at 11 stone (which is my goal weight now) . But I only know this now because I'm looking back. At the time, even at my skinniest I felt fat somewhere!
    Maybe because you've been up at 12 stone (which is still fine for your height btw) and your weight issues as a child you see a fat person in the mirror?
    I have gained gradually over the last few years, on jan 5th when I started MFP I was 13st 5 and today I am down to 11st 5 and although I know I have lost 2 stone and I know I have lost nearly 2 dress sizes and I know I have lost many inches....I still look in the mirror and can't pinpoint what is different! Taking photos and putting them next to eachother to compare really helps.
    Good luck with your counselling, maybe you can bring this up next time seeing as it's not been talked about yet. X

    Yeah I know what you mean about looking back, looking back at when I was rowing a few years ago and I was at my lowest weight Im like, wow I was so skinny, but at the time I felt exactly the same as I do now.. I'll try the photo thing, but I have a tendency to avoid cameras.. Thank you for the reply and advice! And congrats on being so close to your goal weight - im sure you are perfect xxx
  • cheyenne__brown
    cheyenne__brown Posts: 25 Member
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    Cheyenne: I have the same problem of losing and gaining weight. I wish I can weigh 150 pounds. I currently weigh 246 at 5'4". Talking to a specialist about your self hate of your body is great. But u have to get to real reason you hate yourself! It is something else and it's not your weight! Remember you are a Child of God and He made you just the way you are! Embrace yourself and don't give up! I am praying for you! Be blessed and know that Jesus is pleased with you no matter how you feel about yourself!

    Thanks xxx
  • cheyenne__brown
    cheyenne__brown Posts: 25 Member
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    It worries me how much I can relate to your story - even the part about rowing! I'm still fighting to repair my attitude towards food, and what I've learned is that it is possible to like yourself even as you try to improve yourself! Just try not to think of life in terms of 'when I've lost the weight I'll do/wear/be this' etc. as it just holds you back! I hope you feel better soon :)

    Oh you rowed too?? Thank you! I'll try :) I hope your attitude to food get better!xx
  • zoeysasha37
    zoeysasha37 Posts: 7,088 Member
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    Your actually at a normal weight for your height, maybe even a bit too light for that height. So even though you can't see it for yourself right now, your definitely not obese .
    If you'd like to look more toned , I suggest lifting weights for sure. You'll see that you can tighten up and tone up by starting a lifting routine. Maybe then you will gain the confidence you need.
    We all go through times where we don't like what we see in the mirror, and its especially hard for younger people. talking to a therapist is a good idea . best of luck to you ! Start lifting, you'll see many changes in your body !!
  • cheyenne__brown
    cheyenne__brown Posts: 25 Member
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    evahw wrote: »
    Hi Cheyenne (pretty name btw)! I can completely relate to this. My entire life from the age of 3 or 4 has been affected by self-consciousness and criticism, from the first day of school right into adulthood.
    I've only recently (in the past three months or so) been able to start completely turning this around for myself - wearing clothes I wouldn't have dared to before, and seeing myself in a whole new way... without losing any weight. It's not a magic switch but it's happening faster than I thought and feels really good!
    Here are three things I can suggest that I know help me:

    1) You are clearly very healthy physically, and the problem is with how you feel about your body, and not with your body itself. You don't need to change your body at all (can't emphasise this bit enough!) but how you see and think about it!
    2) Try making a list, starting right now, of all the things you do really like about yourself (both physical and personality/character/ability-wise). This is not narcissism or new-agey BS, it's necessary to like things about yourself - keep the list somewhere safe, add to it when you think of something else you like, and dig it out when you're feeling down or like you're going crazy over certain things that are bothering you. It's a great reminder of all the things you feel great about, and helps to shrink the problems that seemed overwhelming and put them into their place. Honestly, really do give this a go!
    3) This was HUGE for me... realising that what other people think about me and my body, positive or negative, is not my issue - it's theirs. Realising that was like realising the heavy bags you thought you had to carry up the mountain don't actually belong to you, and aren't your responsibility. Leaving behind the heavy bags feels great and frees you up - and so does leaving behind other people's issues! If I'm out and someone shouts to me that my derriere is the size of Russia... so what?! I know I'm healthy, and what they think is entirely their problem, not mine! I actually kinda like my big soft cushy tush anyway. Shaking off the responsibility of other people's judgement of you gives you the time and energy to concentrate on what you do own - what you think about yourself.

    I know this stuff isn't the magic potion of self-hatred, and that everything will be squeakily perfect when you've read this, but these things really do help me - I thought that maybe they might do something good to you too. I really do hope you get to feel brilliant being you, asap!!

    Eva :) xx
    P.S. Stretch marks ARE common, I have them too and I've never been preggers. It's just from where you've grown quickly. Loads of people (especially tall people) get them from growth spurts in puberty, teenage breast and hip development, and loads of other reasons. If some people don't know that, that's their lack of knowledge and not your problem either! ;)

    thank you! Its native american :smiley: I'm glad you've managed to overcome your issues! Thanks for sharing your story :smile: my counselled suggested something similar to the list, so I'll try to keep at it! And yeah I know they are common and I was starting to accept them, I've just had a set back recently.. Thank you so much for your reply, your advice is great :smile:
  • cheyenne__brown
    cheyenne__brown Posts: 25 Member
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    nancyjay__ wrote: »
    LONG POST ALERT**
    Hi there! I have read your post and quick read some of the comments. And I gotta say you look like a beautiful girl and your bmi seems perfect. Now I hate when people tell me that lol because bmi can be sooooo vague. Let me share some things with you.

    1. The scale is NOT your friend; it doesnt differenciate against fat or muscle
    2. stretch marks ARE NORMAL; and even happen to body builders and tiny girls all around the world. **I had a son 7yrs ago and I was a tiny thing got so many stretch marks that ruined my self-esteem>last yr I did a bodybuilding BIKINI comp and felt great!
    3. Food is your friend; its what makes you feel good and energized if you use it wisely
    4. 4. Cardio is NOT I REPEAT NOT ALL that's needed to lose weight.
    5. DONT DEPRIVE YOURSELF OR YOU WILL BINGE


    My advice is get rid of the scale! Like now! Seriously break it throw it away give it away. You should never be weighting yourself everyday. Sometimes I get up I'm so bloated I weigh 2 lbs more than the day before. I too am struggling with my weight right now and I've been at it for a month with 6lbs of change but with a low cal defecit (CLEAN DIET) with some cheat snacks and meals. Weight means nothing when you workout. I weighted 115lbs (depression makes me lose appetite and physcially sick) and was grossly skinny at 5"3 i had PTSD **too long of a sorry to get into** I started working out mainly because I needed an escape ..an outlet out of my reality because the cigarettes and redbulls were taking me nowhere fast. I had nightmares migraines stomach pain and acid I slept all day neglected my full time job to the point I only worked 2-3 days out of the 5. I was destroying my life and working out saved me. But because I started LIFTING with little to NO cardio. As a control freak not being able to control my life at the time caused my chronic depression and PTSD but I gained back my LIFE when I started working out met new people and I'm so happy now. But I wouldn't have been able to do it without professional help. And I read up there that you had counseling but they weren't talking about your issue. Next time I want you to be assertive and TELL THEM EXACTLY WHAT YOU TOLD US. TELL THEM EXACTLY AND ESPECIFICALLY WHAT YOUR GOAL IS. AND I DONT MEAN WEIGHT GOAL BECAUSE WEIGHT ON A SCALE SHOULD NEVER BE A GOAL. BEING HAPPY IN YOUR OWN SKIN! INCHES CAN BE A GOAL, BODY, FAT, BEING ABLE TO DEADLIFT 200LB **WHICH IS MY GOAL

    Thank you for sharing your story! I'm so glad you managed to overcome PTSD and depression, you sound like an amazing person! I will definitely talk to my counsellor about this next time I see her, thank you so much for your advice, you're really so empowering xx
  • cheyenne__brown
    cheyenne__brown Posts: 25 Member
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    thorsmom01 wrote: »
    Your actually at a normal weight for your height, maybe even a bit too light for that height. So even though you can't see it for yourself right now, your definitely not obese .
    If you'd like to look more toned , I suggest lifting weights for sure. You'll see that you can tighten up and tone up by starting a lifting routine. Maybe then you will gain the confidence you need.
    We all go through times where we don't like what we see in the mirror, and its especially hard for younger people. talking to a therapist is a good idea . best of luck to you ! Start lifting, you'll see many changes in your body !!

    Thank you for the advice, I'll try and get motivated!xx

  • cheyenne__brown
    cheyenne__brown Posts: 25 Member
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    To everyone, you are amazing and lovely and thank you so much!
    Feel free to share your own stories - everyone needs to vent sometimes and you all deserve support!
    If you want to DM me about anything or add me as a friend or what ever feel free to
    Xxxxx
  • slideaway1
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    thorsmom01 wrote: »
    Your actually at a normal weight for your height, maybe even a bit too light for that height. So even though you can't see it for yourself right now, your definitely not obese .
    If you'd like to look more toned , I suggest lifting weights for sure. You'll see that you can tighten up and tone up by starting a lifting routine. Maybe then you will gain the confidence you need.
    We all go through times where we don't like what we see in the mirror, and its especially hard for younger people. talking to a therapist is a good idea . best of luck to you ! Start lifting, you'll see many changes in your body !!

    Exactly. I was going to suggest a similar thing (lifting to reduce body fat % etc), but that actually seemed like a practical solution to the problem that requires effort and motivation (which she said she is lacking in her original posts), so I just left it to everyone offering moral support and compliments.
  • Docbanana2002
    Docbanana2002 Posts: 357 Member
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    At 5'11 and 147 pounds you are a perfectly normal and healthy weight. Even if you weren't, that's not a reason for self-hate--it would be a reason for loving yourself enough to start doing some healthier things for your body, as I did when I finally decided I was tired of being morbidly obese.

    The problem, therefore, isn't with your body. It's with your mind, and with the way you think about yourself and treat yourself. In this state of mind, you could have a perfect and flawless body that only "Photoshopping" could provide and guess what--you'll still find a way to say you aren't right. Get some mental health counseling so you can learn self-acceptance. This is what you need the most.
  • nancyjay__
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    Thank you for sharing your story! I'm so glad you managed to overcome PTSD and depression, you sound like an amazing person! I will definitely talk to my counsellor about this next time I see her, thank you so much for your advice, you're really so empowering xx


    The best thing to hear is that I can help and empower somebody ❤ keep me updated on your progress I would love to hear it!
  • brightresolve
    brightresolve Posts: 1,024 Member
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    Cheyenne, I'm so glad for this outpouring of support for you. At your height, your weight is spot-on low-normal as so many have said. Your concerns about body size and image, also (unfortunately) are VERY normal -- not healthy, but NORMAL -- for a woman your age. Some of us never get beyond feeling dissatisfied with our perfectly healthy selves (talking about me here,) and it's sad fighting the same battle into our forties and fifties.

    You said you have issues talking with your counselor about the body-image stuff. Believe me, we ALL have issues talking when we get close to the REAL stuff, the stuff our gut tells us we have to defend and keep secret. But hanging on to those secrets is what keeps us suffering.

    Of course if you have any instinct that the counselor you're working with isn't a safe space for these issues, it's a different story and you need a different person to talk to. But you do need someone to confide in about the toll these issues are taking on you.

    My daughter is just a couple years older than you, so I have the heartstrings pulled by your story and your honesty. Take care of yourself!! If you would like it, here is a warm virtual hug ****HUGZZZZ****
  • cheyenne__brown
    cheyenne__brown Posts: 25 Member
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    At 5'11 and 147 pounds you are a perfectly normal and healthy weight. Even if you weren't, that's not a reason for self-hate--it would be a reason for loving yourself enough to start doing some healthier things for your body, as I did when I finally decided I was tired of being morbidly obese.

    The problem, therefore, isn't with your body. It's with your mind, and with the way you think about yourself and treat yourself. In this state of mind, you could have a perfect and flawless body that only "Photoshopping" could provide and guess what--you'll still find a way to say you aren't right. Get some mental health counseling so you can learn self-acceptance. This is what you need the most.

    I'm so glad you made the choice and became motivated enough to become healthier! That's great! Yeah I'm trying to be more open with my counsellor, its just difficult not to hide certain things
  • cheyenne__brown
    cheyenne__brown Posts: 25 Member
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    slideaway1 wrote: »

    Exactly. I was going to suggest a similar thing (lifting to reduce body fat % etc), but that actually seemed like a practical solution to the problem that requires effort and motivation (which she said she is lacking in her original posts), so I just left it to everyone offering moral support and compliments.

    Thanks for ubderstanding the motivation issue, thanks for the reply!

  • cheyenne__brown
    cheyenne__brown Posts: 25 Member
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    Cheyenne, I'm so glad for this outpouring of support for you. At your height, your weight is spot-on low-normal as so many have said. Your concerns about body size and image, also (unfortunately) are VERY normal -- not healthy, but NORMAL -- for a woman your age. Some of us never get beyond feeling dissatisfied with our perfectly healthy selves (talking about me here,) and it's sad fighting the same battle into our forties and fifties.

    You said you have issues talking with your counselor about the body-image stuff. Believe me, we ALL have issues talking when we get close to the REAL stuff, the stuff our gut tells us we have to defend and keep secret. But hanging on to those secrets is what keeps us suffering.

    Of course if you have any instinct that the counselor you're working with isn't a safe space for these issues, it's a different story and you need a different person to talk to. But you do need someone to confide in about the toll these issues are taking on you.

    My daughter is just a couple years older than you, so I have the heartstrings pulled by your story and your honesty. Take care of yourself!! If you would like it, here is a warm virtual hug ****HUGZZZZ****

    Yeah I know so many people with body image problems it's really sad :/ thank you for your reply, there's a whole list of things I haven't been able to confide in with my counsellor but I've only been seeing her for a couple of months so I'm still at the building trust stage of things
    Thank you so much for the reply! I'm shocked by the responses and how lovely everyone is, it really puts my faith back in humanity! You sound like a great mum xx
  • Hearts_2015
    Hearts_2015 Posts: 12,031 Member
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    evahw wrote: »
    Hi Cheyenne (pretty name btw)! I can completely relate to this. My entire life from the age of 3 or 4 has been affected by self-consciousness and criticism, from the first day of school right into adulthood.
    I've only recently (in the past three months or so) been able to start completely turning this around for myself - wearing clothes I wouldn't have dared to before, and seeing myself in a whole new way... without losing any weight. It's not a magic switch but it's happening faster than I thought and feels really good!
    Here are three things I can suggest that I know help me:

    1) You are clearly very healthy physically, and the problem is with how you feel about your body, and not with your body itself. You don't need to change your body at all (can't emphasise this bit enough!) but how you see and think about it!
    2) Try making a list, starting right now, of all the things you do really like about yourself (both physical and personality/character/ability-wise). This is not narcissism or new-agey BS, it's necessary to like things about yourself - keep the list somewhere safe, add to it when you think of something else you like, and dig it out when you're feeling down or like you're going crazy over certain things that are bothering you. It's a great reminder of all the things you feel great about, and helps to shrink the problems that seemed overwhelming and put them into their place. Honestly, really do give this a go!
    3) This was HUGE for me... realising that what other people think about me and my body, positive or negative, is not my issue - it's theirs. Realising that was like realising the heavy bags you thought you had to carry up the mountain don't actually belong to you, and aren't your responsibility. Leaving behind the heavy bags feels great and frees you up - and so does leaving behind other people's issues! If I'm out and someone shouts to me that my derriere is the size of Russia... so what?! I know I'm healthy, and what they think is entirely their problem, not mine! I actually kinda like my big soft cushy tush anyway. Shaking off the responsibility of other people's judgement of you gives you the time and energy to concentrate on what you do own - what you think about yourself.

    I know this stuff isn't the magic potion of self-hatred, and that everything will be squeakily perfect when you've read this, but these things really do help me - I thought that maybe they might do something good to you too. I really do hope you get to feel brilliant being you, asap!!

    Eva :) xx
    P.S. Stretch marks ARE common, I have them too and I've never been preggers. It's just from where you've grown quickly. Loads of people (especially tall people) get them from growth spurts in puberty, teenage breast and hip development, and loads of other reasons. If some people don't know that, that's their lack of knowledge and not your problem either! ;)

    very helpful particularly the bolded :)
  • snowflake954
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    I think you know this, but self-hate and non acceptance of self, are issues for counseling. You are young, but this has been going on for a long time--it's not going to magically go away on it's own. Don't keep spinning your wheels. You'll find yourself in the same place, or worse, 10 yrs down the line. For your future happiness, do something about it now. Talk to a specialist. Wishing you the best of luck. B)

    Yeah I know, I've been going to counselling for about a couple of months, but we never really talk about this kinda thing, Its one of the multiple topics I have issues discussing with her, idk I guess I will eventually, but thank you so much for your support and for replying! :smile:

    If you can't talk about this to your counselor---get a different one. I was 145 and 5'11" in high school. All my friends were short and I always felt oversize, even though I was slim and lanky. When I was teased, it really hurt. Now I'm 60 and happily married for almost 30 years. So I am viewing your problem as something I worked through. It will pass, but you need to discuss your issues with the right person. Get going and do it--you'll be glad one day. B)