Banning women from running marathons...
So_Much_Fab
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...at least this was the rule nearly 50 years ago. For the few marathons that did exist, it was men only, women were not permitted to enter.
Here is an interesting article about the first woman to officially run the Boston Marathon in April of 1967 (the race was run by a woman for the first time unofficially in 1966).
The photo below shows Katherine Switzer, first woman to officially run Boston, being attacked by John Semple. John was a "big shot" in Boston's athletic circles and co-director of the marathon. He was literally trying to rip her bib off of her!
Good luck to everyone running in Boston today!
Here is an interesting article about the first woman to officially run the Boston Marathon in April of 1967 (the race was run by a woman for the first time unofficially in 1966).
The photo below shows Katherine Switzer, first woman to officially run Boston, being attacked by John Semple. John was a "big shot" in Boston's athletic circles and co-director of the marathon. He was literally trying to rip her bib off of her!
Good luck to everyone running in Boston today!
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Great article! Thanks for posting that!0
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These images contain hateful, violent imagery. People should not be attacked like that.
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Really? Having your bib ripped off is hardly violent. Hateful, I wouldn't go that far. Historical, yes. My look how many women are running in this years Boston Marathon!
What I would do to somebody who ripped my bib off afterward would be violent though.0 -
Of_Monsters_and_Meat wrote: »These images contain hateful, violent imagery. People should not be attacked like that.
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The OP was showing how far we've come and celebrating how women can now participate in marathons...you can't be blind to what happened in the past!0 -
haven't we already reached the point where sperm cells can be artificially created by female cells so that men are no longer needed and can therefore be exterminated to cease causing any of the world's problems?0
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Wow Of_Monsters... Seriously?!!!! Of all the insanity on these forums, you feel this piece of history should be censored?
So_Much_Fab... I read about this for the first time a couple weeks ago, incredible and awesome how far things have come! I believe that #390 was her husband running with her, who pushed Semple out of the way so that Switzer could continue her run, number intact.0 -
I had never heard of this, thanks for posting!0
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Of_Monsters_and_Meat wrote: »These images contain hateful, violent imagery. People should not be attacked like that.
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Please tell me you're joking.
On topic though, it's amazing how far we've come! Thanks for sharing.0 -
pics are still (real shots) of a woman getting attacked...-1
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Of_Monsters_and_Meat wrote: »These images contain hateful, violent imagery. People should not be attacked like that.
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I sincerely hope this is a joke.0 -
kamakazeekim wrote: »Of_Monsters_and_Meat wrote: »These images contain hateful, violent imagery. People should not be attacked like that.
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The OP was showing how far we've come and celebrating how women can now participate in marathons...you can't be blind to what happened in the past!
Some people might find those images triggering. I would also add to @Laura732 I'm not sure where you are coming from, but ripping things off of people is considered assault.0 -
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Holy cow... showing how far weve come is not glamorizing attack on women, its glamorizing how far we've come since that day.
that you cannot see the intent behind this post, and consider this story and the events that happened that day as something that should be brushed away, hidden, and forgotten about is actually scary.
Semple didnt even get a chance to touch her...he lunged but her husband got to him first and pushed the guy away from her.
So...does that mean you are angry that her husband brutally and physically attacked Semple to defend his wife? Because thats actually what we are looking at here...0 -
of_monsters, I'm surprised that you feel that historical media should be censored, as though turning a blind eye to the worlds problems will make them go away. It is because we get to re-live our past through the media, be it photos, movies or text that we hopefully learn from our forefathers mistakes. Would you censor the attacks on the civil rights protesters from the 50's & 60's? How about the pictures from Dachau or Auschwitz. Though I'm sure that Mrs. Switzer was probably upset with what was happening at the time, she is also probably really proud of what was accomplished.
There are dirty and nasty pieces of our society which do make us uncomfortable to see and remember, that doesn't mean we should avoid them.
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Thanks for posting the article! It's amazing how much progress has been made over the years!
Good luck to those running in Boston today!!! 0 -
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If these photos are something we should be hiding away from society because they are attacks on women, then I feel we should ban all movies and books written before the 1970's because they all portray sexism and racism.
This isn't a modern photo with the message "this is how we should be treating people." This is a message saying "this is what it was like 50 years ago," and "this is where we are now." If you really have an issue with celebrating how far we've come, you should turn off your computer now, close your blinds and windows, and hide in your house because the world is obviously against you.0 -
of_monsters, I'm surprised that you feel that historical media should be censored, as though turning a blind eye to the worlds problems will make them go away. It is because we get to re-live our past through the media, be it photos, movies or text that we hopefully learn from our forefathers mistakes. Would you censor the attacks on the civil rights protesters from the 50's & 60's? How about the pictures from Dachau or Auschwitz. Though I'm sure that Mrs. Switzer was probably upset with what was happening at the time, she is also probably really proud of what was accomplished.
There are dirty and nasty pieces of our society which do make us uncomfortable to see and remember, that doesn't mean we should avoid them.
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Never knew this, thanks for sharing. I don't think is glamorizing or glorifying such actions, it's merely a lesson the vileness of inequality. I think we all need to not only see images like this, but fully understand the amount of hatred that is behind discrimination. Discrimination is rooted in fear, and the belief that one human is inferior to another and therefore deserves inferior treatment. It's not an offensive image by any means. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.0
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Indeed...that someone can look at this and not see the bravery of this woman to be the very first official runner in the Boston marathon, to see what she had to deal with and how it paved the way for the women after her...to see this as a negative thing to scorn and become angry about because they dont like it is beyond me.
I dont usually get upset over stuff, but I calmed by the thought that this has to be a joke / troll not taking seriously what is obviously a salute to women and an important and interesting part of history.0 -
I've come to the conclusion that Of_Monsters is the Jonathan Swift of MFP. I could be wrong though...0
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_incogNEATo_ wrote: »of_monsters, I'm surprised that you feel that historical media should be censored, as though turning a blind eye to the worlds problems will make them go away. It is because we get to re-live our past through the media, be it photos, movies or text that we hopefully learn from our forefathers mistakes. Would you censor the attacks on the civil rights protesters from the 50's & 60's? How about the pictures from Dachau or Auschwitz. Though I'm sure that Mrs. Switzer was probably upset with what was happening at the time, she is also probably really proud of what was accomplished.
There are dirty and nasty pieces of our society which do make us uncomfortable to see and remember, that doesn't mean we should avoid them.
This is not the place for that, though. Forum rules are forum rules.
A fitness forum is not the place to share some sports history to salute the progress allowing women to participate in the Boston Marathon, on the day of the Boston Marathon? Considering how many people...women included (you might not realize) are actively training for marathons and are here for the reason of support and advice...its odd you feel the topic of marathons have no place here.
Or is it runners? Or is it women? Not sure which of these you have an issue with actually.
I don't even want to know. Im asking all these rhetorical questions I dont actually think I want to know the answer to LoL! Oh well. History made its impact on the world as we know it today...some people will have a problem with it. So it is.0 -
What the heck is going on in this thread? Somebody's got a case of the Mondays.
Oh, and in before the lock0 -
_incogNEATo_ wrote: »of_monsters, I'm surprised that you feel that historical media should be censored, as though turning a blind eye to the worlds problems will make them go away. It is because we get to re-live our past through the media, be it photos, movies or text that we hopefully learn from our forefathers mistakes. Would you censor the attacks on the civil rights protesters from the 50's & 60's? How about the pictures from Dachau or Auschwitz. Though I'm sure that Mrs. Switzer was probably upset with what was happening at the time, she is also probably really proud of what was accomplished.
There are dirty and nasty pieces of our society which do make us uncomfortable to see and remember, that doesn't mean we should avoid them.
This is not the place for that, though. Forum rules are forum rules.
A fitness forum is not the place to share some sports history to salute the progress allowing women to participate in the Boston Marathon, on the day of the Boston Marathon? Considering how many people...women included (you might not realize) are actively training for marathons and are here for the reason of support and advice...its odd you feel the topic of marathons have no place here.
Or is it runners? Or is it women? Not sure which of these you have an issue with actually.
I don't even want to know. Im asking all these rhetorical questions I dont actually think I want to know the answer to LoL! Oh well. History made its impact on the world as we know it today...some people will have a problem with it. So it is.
The topic of marathons do have a place here. What are you talking about? That's a rhetorical question.0 -
jessilee119 wrote: »I've come to the conclusion that Of_Monsters is the Jonathan Swift of MFP. I could be wrong though...
wha??0 -
Neeever mind. Great post. I read the article a while ago and really loved it. Thanks for sharing - I'm going to reread it now.0
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_incogNEATo_ wrote: »_incogNEATo_ wrote: »of_monsters, I'm surprised that you feel that historical media should be censored, as though turning a blind eye to the worlds problems will make them go away. It is because we get to re-live our past through the media, be it photos, movies or text that we hopefully learn from our forefathers mistakes. Would you censor the attacks on the civil rights protesters from the 50's & 60's? How about the pictures from Dachau or Auschwitz. Though I'm sure that Mrs. Switzer was probably upset with what was happening at the time, she is also probably really proud of what was accomplished.
There are dirty and nasty pieces of our society which do make us uncomfortable to see and remember, that doesn't mean we should avoid them.
This is not the place for that, though. Forum rules are forum rules.
A fitness forum is not the place to share some sports history to salute the progress allowing women to participate in the Boston Marathon, on the day of the Boston Marathon? Considering how many people...women included (you might not realize) are actively training for marathons and are here for the reason of support and advice...its odd you feel the topic of marathons have no place here.
Or is it runners? Or is it women? Not sure which of these you have an issue with actually.
I don't even want to know. Im asking all these rhetorical questions I dont actually think I want to know the answer to LoL! Oh well. History made its impact on the world as we know it today...some people will have a problem with it. So it is.
The topic of marathons do have a place here. What are you talking about? That's a rhetorical question.
My point exactly and what I was questioning. Im not the one who said that this topic doesnt have a place here...this guy did:_incogNEATo_ wrote: »This is not the place for that, though. Forum rules are forum rules.
Oh wait... thats you.0 -
_incogNEATo_ wrote: »of_monsters, I'm surprised that you feel that historical media should be censored, as though turning a blind eye to the worlds problems will make them go away. It is because we get to re-live our past through the media, be it photos, movies or text that we hopefully learn from our forefathers mistakes. Would you censor the attacks on the civil rights protesters from the 50's & 60's? How about the pictures from Dachau or Auschwitz. Though I'm sure that Mrs. Switzer was probably upset with what was happening at the time, she is also probably really proud of what was accomplished.
There are dirty and nasty pieces of our society which do make us uncomfortable to see and remember, that doesn't mean we should avoid them.
This is not the place for that, though. Forum rules are forum rules.
A fitness forum is not the place to share some sports history to salute the progress allowing women to participate in the Boston Marathon, on the day of the Boston Marathon? Considering how many people...women included (you might not realize) are actively training for marathons and are here for the reason of support and advice...its odd you feel the topic of marathons have no place here.
Or is it runners? Or is it women? Not sure which of these you have an issue with actually.
I don't even want to know. Im asking all these rhetorical questions I dont actually think I want to know the answer to LoL! Oh well. History made its impact on the world as we know it today...some people will have a problem with it. So it is.
The topic of marathons are allowed here, but apparently not pictures portraying the history of sexism in sport.0 -
_incogNEATo_ wrote: »_incogNEATo_ wrote: »of_monsters, I'm surprised that you feel that historical media should be censored, as though turning a blind eye to the worlds problems will make them go away. It is because we get to re-live our past through the media, be it photos, movies or text that we hopefully learn from our forefathers mistakes. Would you censor the attacks on the civil rights protesters from the 50's & 60's? How about the pictures from Dachau or Auschwitz. Though I'm sure that Mrs. Switzer was probably upset with what was happening at the time, she is also probably really proud of what was accomplished.
There are dirty and nasty pieces of our society which do make us uncomfortable to see and remember, that doesn't mean we should avoid them.
This is not the place for that, though. Forum rules are forum rules.
A fitness forum is not the place to share some sports history to salute the progress allowing women to participate in the Boston Marathon, on the day of the Boston Marathon? Considering how many people...women included (you might not realize) are actively training for marathons and are here for the reason of support and advice...its odd you feel the topic of marathons have no place here.
Or is it runners? Or is it women? Not sure which of these you have an issue with actually.
I don't even want to know. Im asking all these rhetorical questions I dont actually think I want to know the answer to LoL! Oh well. History made its impact on the world as we know it today...some people will have a problem with it. So it is.
The topic of marathons do have a place here. What are you talking about? That's a rhetorical question.
My point exactly and what I was questioning. Im not the one who said that this topic doesnt have a place here...this guy did:_incogNEATo_ wrote: »This is not the place for that, though. Forum rules are forum rules.
Oh wait... thats you.
You're confused. I'm reading defense for the image in these comments, not the original post's written content. Nice try though.0
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