If the food industry is the "apparent" issue for obesity and health issues....
Then why aren't incarcerated people having the same issues?
The prison system serves the lowest quality food. Processed, low grade, fatty, sodium filled, and HFCS injected. ALL the time. And yet with an average 5-15 year incarceration for most inmates, obesity statistics aren't that of the general population.
Food of course is restricted to 3 meals a day. It's not a buffet, so it's portioned out. They aren't exercising all the time to burn off the calories. They don't have daily health care. And there's lots of smoking to boot. In fact, they aren't likely meeting nutritional values essentially, so it's expected that they have chronic health issues. So why aren't these inmates dying off faster with all these issues? A prisoner is much more likely to die of violence in prison, rather than from the "bad" food they are subjected to, yet health officials and some "natural" advocates are claiming that the food industry is the culprit to the obesity epidemic.
Point is that if "bad" food is REALLY the issue for being overweight and obesity and really killing us off, then the same results should be reflected in the prison population. And it's not.
Obesity and weight issues are a DIRECT issue of intake/output. Get that under control and you'll more than likely reduce you risk of health issues.
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The prison system serves the lowest quality food. Processed, low grade, fatty, sodium filled, and HFCS injected. ALL the time. And yet with an average 5-15 year incarceration for most inmates, obesity statistics aren't that of the general population.
Food of course is restricted to 3 meals a day. It's not a buffet, so it's portioned out. They aren't exercising all the time to burn off the calories. They don't have daily health care. And there's lots of smoking to boot. In fact, they aren't likely meeting nutritional values essentially, so it's expected that they have chronic health issues. So why aren't these inmates dying off faster with all these issues? A prisoner is much more likely to die of violence in prison, rather than from the "bad" food they are subjected to, yet health officials and some "natural" advocates are claiming that the food industry is the culprit to the obesity epidemic.
Point is that if "bad" food is REALLY the issue for being overweight and obesity and really killing us off, then the same results should be reflected in the prison population. And it's not.
Obesity and weight issues are a DIRECT issue of intake/output. Get that under control and you'll more than likely reduce you risk of health issues.
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This post teaches me that if I want to live longer, I should commit a crime that serves a life sentence. I have to remember to be careful and avoid the death penalty though. Any suggestions?
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_incogNEATo_ wrote: »This post teaches me that if I want to live longer, I should commit a crime that serves a life sentence. I have to remember to be careful and avoid the death penalty though. Any suggestions?
Just keep repeat offender. Remember to carry a scale with you as well as baggies so you also get intent to distribute.
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Obviously there's less gin and juice in prison. /thread0
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asflatasapancake wrote: »Ok. Devil's advocate. If the food is so bad, perhaps they are not eating as much because it sucks. Are they allowed to eat as much as they want or is there a limit? And perhaps they are moving around enough to offset their calorie intake. I've never been to prison, but do they make license plates and do manual labor type things there? I wonder what the percentage is of inmates that use a weight room or exercise room? I don't know.
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So why aren't these inmates dying off faster with all these issues?
They are. People who have been incarcerated show 25% accelerated mortality throughout their lifetimes, or an expected reduction of ten years. (http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2011/01/14/aje.kwq422.full). The difference is mostly attributable to the mosaic effects of poverty, however (think violence, drug and alcohol use, food insecurity, etc.), which makes inmates an exceptionally poor comparison with the general population.
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It's prison. If you don't eat what's in front of you and you don't have money for commissary (which is usually junk food anyway) you starve. Trust when I say that food is a "payment" for many things in prison.asflatasapancake wrote: »Ok, now bout this? If the food is so bad, perhaps they are not eating as much because it sucks.
Limited discounting buying anything from commissary.Are they allowed to eat as much as they want or is there a limit?
They are in cell most of the time. Walking around a little. Most prisons have gotten rid of weight rooms due to violence issues (using weights as weapons).And perhaps they are moving around enough to offset their calorie intake.
Yes there's manual labor, but people in the world do manual labor throughout the day that equals what an inmate is allowed to do (mop floors, clean, cook).I've never been to prison, but do they make license plates and do manual labor type things there?
There's a good percentage that do body weight exercises. Hence many inmates have detailed physiques. Weight rooms again are being reduced due to violence.I wonder what the percentage is of inmates that use a weight room or exercise room? I don't know.
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Lol, lots of times that "Kosher" item is a pickle.asflatasapancake wrote: »Ok. Devil's advocate. If the food is so bad, perhaps they are not eating as much because it sucks. Are they allowed to eat as much as they want or is there a limit? And perhaps they are moving around enough to offset their calorie intake. I've never been to prison, but do they make license plates and do manual labor type things there? I wonder what the percentage is of inmates that use a weight room or exercise room? I don't know.
Portion controlled food, not all you can eat (although if you have the reputation I suppose you could technically eat others food).
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asflatasapancake wrote: »Armed robbery at a couple of banks should do it. Maybe not a life sentence though. Just don't kill anyone and you should be in for something like 35 years or so.
That gets you only about 10 years with parole. No, to get life you have to kill someone and then plea guilty with a deal.
Stress and controlled portions are the reason obesity isn't a problem in prisons.. but if you want to talk about institutionalized food programs, you don't have to look any further than our schools.
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I lost 37 lbs in 51 days on the Incarceration Diet. I also seemed to do well dieting while going through divorces. Now that I am a happily married law abiding citizen I can't seem to keep the weight off.0
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I disagree. Physiology of inmates isn't different than that of the general population. They still eat, poop and rest like everyone else. In this sense, it's not the food that matters. It's the AMOUNT of food that they are eating versus the general population. Look at the menu above and you can see that it's not super high in calories. And of course it's not that high in nutrition or essentials either.MyLittlPwn13 wrote: »So why aren't these inmates dying off faster with all these issues?
They are. People who have been incarcerated show 25% accelerated mortality throughout their lifetimes, or an expected reduction of ten years. (http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2011/01/14/aje.kwq422.full). The difference is mostly attributable to the mosaic effects of poverty, however (think violence, drug and alcohol use, food insecurity, etc.), which makes inmates an exceptionally poor comparison with the general population.
In short, you're comparing apples to oranges.
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Lol, lots of times that "Kosher" item is a pickle.asflatasapancake wrote: »Ok. Devil's advocate. If the food is so bad, perhaps they are not eating as much because it sucks. Are they allowed to eat as much as they want or is there a limit? And perhaps they are moving around enough to offset their calorie intake. I've never been to prison, but do they make license plates and do manual labor type things there? I wonder what the percentage is of inmates that use a weight room or exercise room? I don't know.
Portion controlled food, not all you can eat (although if you have the reputation I suppose you could technically eat others food).
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It's a kosher beverage, not food item. Meaning water usually.0 -
Interesting perspective. Makes a lot of sense.0
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6 servings a day of fruit / veg? Sounds good.0
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Lol, for people that are "addicted" to sugar and can't seem to lose weight, all they have to do is go up and slap a police officer.TheRoadDog wrote: »I lost 37 lbs in 51 days on the Incarceration Diet. I also seemed to do well dieting while going through divorces. Now that I am a happily married law abiding citizen I can't seem to keep the weight off.
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I have worked in corrections for a very long time, so I can intelligently comment on this one. In prison inmates are typically fed around 2500-2700 calories per day. The breakdown is about 50/25/25 with carbs being the 50. Inmates on work details and in kitchen jobs can get double this. Also, inmates are allowed to purchase supplementary food items on commissary/canteen. Food is cash in prison. You get what you need with food so why eat your money.
So why are obesity rates in prison lower? Simple, if one is not fit and able to defend ones self, one is dead or enslaved. To be out of shape, is to be a potential victim. Nothing is quite so unappetizing and crave reducing as the constant thought of a sudden violent assault. Fitness in prison equals survival. Also, the prison population is younger (old inmates are 55). Additionally, the inmates have unlimited time to exercise and work out. I see inmates who think nothing of 1500-2000 burpees' daily.
What has always astounded me is people who as a lifestyle violate any and every rule of society, live under even stricter rules while incarcerated. Everything is regimented and disciplined by gangs and influential groups. When, where, and with whom, one eats, showers, shaves and *kitten* is approved and assigned by an inmate with the ability to punish. This includes workouts. they are mandatory, daily, and very intense.
If you think this is a good diet plan, you are probably right. But, when was the last time your personal trainer stabbed you in the groin multiple times with a piece of rusty steel he kept in his *kitten*?0 -
Hahahaha. Didn't catch that. You sure it's not kefir?
Lol, lots of times that "Kosher" item is a pickle.asflatasapancake wrote: »Ok. Devil's advocate. If the food is so bad, perhaps they are not eating as much because it sucks. Are they allowed to eat as much as they want or is there a limit? And perhaps they are moving around enough to offset their calorie intake. I've never been to prison, but do they make license plates and do manual labor type things there? I wonder what the percentage is of inmates that use a weight room or exercise room? I don't know.
Portion controlled food, not all you can eat (although if you have the reputation I suppose you could technically eat others food).
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It's a kosher beverage, not food item. Meaning water usually.
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One of my goals is to be able to do prison pull ups without being in prison.0
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Really it debunks a lot of what natural, paleo, low carbers, etc. say about processed foods or foods that are not whole when it comes to actual weight loss.Interesting perspective. Makes a lot of sense.
Again I'm not endorsing that one eats nothing but low quality food when it comes to weight loss, but the fact is that CICO is all the really matters when it comes to weight loss. It's obvious if one wants to improve their overall health and/or performance, a much better selection of food should be the option.
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HumboldtFred wrote: »I have worked in corrections for a very long time, so I can intelligently comment on this one. In prison inmates are typically fed around 2500-2700 calories per day. The breakdown is about 50/25/25 with carbs being the 50. Inmates on work details and in kitchen jobs can get double this. Also, inmates are allowed to purchase supplementary food items on commissary/canteen. Food is cash in prison. You get what you need with food so why eat your money.
So why are obesity rates in prison lower? Simple, if one is not fit and able to defend ones self, one is dead or enslaved. To be out of shape, is to be a potential victim. Nothing is quite so unappetizing and crave reducing as the constant thought of a sudden violent assault. Fitness in prison equals survival. Also, the prison population is younger (old inmates are 55). Additionally, the inmates have unlimited time to exercise and work out. I see inmates who think nothing of 1500-2000 burpees' daily.
What has always astounded me is people who as a lifestyle violate any and every rule of society, live under even stricter rules while incarcerated. Everything is regimented and disciplined by gangs and influential groups. When, where, and with whom, one eats, showers, shaves and *kitten* is approved and assigned by an inmate with the ability to punish. This includes workouts. they are mandatory, daily, and very intense.
If you think this is a good diet plan, you are probably right. But, when was the last time your personal trainer stabbed you in the groin multiple times with a piece of rusty steel he kept in his *kitten*?
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It's definitely true that being fitter in prison will likely increase survival rates, but the much more likely reason they aren't obese (even for the ones that don't workout) is because they aren't over eating. Again, most can't because of lack of access. If food were ALWAYS available in large amounts, like it is when they are free, then there would probably be an issue with obesity. But again it still going to come down to CICO regardless of the type of food quality.HumboldtFred wrote: »I have worked in corrections for a very long time, so I can intelligently comment on this one. In prison inmates are typically fed around 2500-2700 calories per day. The breakdown is about 50/25/25 with carbs being the 50. Inmates on work details and in kitchen jobs can get double this. Also, inmates are allowed to purchase supplementary food items on commissary/canteen. Food is cash in prison. You get what you need with food so why eat your money.
So why are obesity rates in prison lower? Simple, if one is not fit and able to defend ones self, one is dead or enslaved. To be out of shape, is to be a potential victim. Nothing is quite so unappetizing and crave reducing as the constant thought of a sudden violent assault. Fitness in prison equals survival. Also, the prison population is younger (old inmates are 55). Additionally, the inmates have unlimited time to exercise and work out. I see inmates who think nothing of 1500-2000 burpees' daily.
What has always astounded me is people who as a lifestyle violate any and every rule of society, live under even stricter rules while incarcerated. Everything is regimented and disciplined by gangs and influential groups. When, where, and with whom, one eats, showers, shaves and *kitten* is approved and assigned by an inmate with the ability to punish. This includes workouts. they are mandatory, daily, and very intense.
If you think this is a good diet plan, you are probably right. But, when was the last time your personal trainer stabbed you in the groin multiple times with a piece of rusty steel he kept in his *kitten*?
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MyLittlPwn13 wrote: »I disagree. Physiology of inmates isn't different than that of the general population. They still eat, poop and rest like everyone else. In this sense, it's not the food that matters. It's the AMOUNT of food that they are eating versus the general population. Look at the menu above and you can see that it's not super high in calories. And of course it's not that high in nutrition or essentials either.
Consider what a person living in poverty (or most other Americans, for that matter) is likely to be eating outside of prison--Soda, chips, fast food. So not only is the quantity stabilizing (food insecurity messes with your metabolism), but the quality is going way up. There's fresh fruit at every meal. There are vegetables (however broadly defined) at least twice every day. There's water. There's no soda or fruit juice in sight. It's still not even close to ideal, but it's likely to be a huge improvement in quality as well as quantity.
In addition to this, you haven't even addressed whether inmates are actually healthy or even slim according to anything but your wild guesses. This reductionist approach is not holding water at all.0 -
MyLittlPwn13 wrote: »I disagree. Physiology of inmates isn't different than that of the general population. They still eat, poop and rest like everyone else. In this sense, it's not the food that matters. It's the AMOUNT of food that they are eating versus the general population. Look at the menu above and you can see that it's not super high in calories. And of course it's not that high in nutrition or essentials either.
Consider what a person living in poverty (or most other Americans, for that matter) is likely to be eating outside of prison--Soda, chips, fast food. So not only is the quantity stabilizing (food insecurity messes with your metabolism), but the quality is going way up. There's fresh fruit at every meal. There are vegetables (however broadly defined) at least twice every day. There's water. There's no soda or fruit juice in sight. It's still not even close to ideal, but it's likely to be a huge improvement in quality as well as quantity.
In addition to this, you haven't even addressed whether inmates are actually healthy or even slim according to anything but your wild guesses. This reductionist approach is not holding water at all.
Why is a person living in poverty eating soda, chips, and fast food?!0 -
Lol, lots of times that "Kosher" item is a pickle.asflatasapancake wrote: »Ok. Devil's advocate. If the food is so bad, perhaps they are not eating as much because it sucks. Are they allowed to eat as much as they want or is there a limit? And perhaps they are moving around enough to offset their calorie intake. I've never been to prison, but do they make license plates and do manual labor type things there? I wonder what the percentage is of inmates that use a weight room or exercise room? I don't know.
Portion controlled food, not all you can eat (although if you have the reputation I suppose you could technically eat others food).
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That doesn't seem like a lot of food to me. The calorie intake does not seem great either. So most of these inmates are probably eating AT or UNDER their calorie allowance to maintain or gain weight. Also, inmates have a LOT of extra time. If they're not out in the yard exercising, they're in their cells exercising. They have all the time in the world so exercise. Just my thoughts.0 -
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Lol, lots of times that "Kosher" item is a pickle.asflatasapancake wrote: »Ok. Devil's advocate. If the food is so bad, perhaps they are not eating as much because it sucks. Are they allowed to eat as much as they want or is there a limit? And perhaps they are moving around enough to offset their calorie intake. I've never been to prison, but do they make license plates and do manual labor type things there? I wonder what the percentage is of inmates that use a weight room or exercise room? I don't know.
Portion controlled food, not all you can eat (although if you have the reputation I suppose you could technically eat others food).
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That doesn't seem like a lot of food to me. The calorie intake does not seem great either. So most of these inmates are probably eating AT or UNDER their calorie allowance to maintain or gain weight. Also, inmates have a LOT of extra time. If they're not out in the yard exercising, they're in their cells exercising. They have all the time in the world so exercise. Just my thoughts.
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Niner,
Do you even read bro?
Food is everywhere in prison. It is currency, it is available to everyone all the time. The motivating factor for not overeating inside prison walls is exactly the same as outside prison walls. .........survival. The difference to those of you outside the walls is your survival motivator isn't a 245lb 6 foot 2 psychopath with face tattoos and missing fingers. The urgency for survival is much more apparent inside prison.
Dying from a heart attack doesn't have the same motivational power as dying from an assault or we would have horror movies filmed at Burger King.
The typical day of a CDCR inmate in the first person.
7 am Wake up, check to see if I am dead.
7:30 am eat breakfast consisting of eggs, oatmeal, pancakes, bacon or ham or spam etc... whole milk ...don't get killed.
8:00 mandatory in cell workouts....this is so my "friends" don't kill me...
8:30 Take "friend" to shower day so an enemy doesn't kill me.
9:30 Go to work or a cell where I steal anything and everything I can for my "friends" so they don't kill me.
12:00 eat a lunch full of fats, sugars, and refines/processed foods, beans, spam, bologna, cheese and full fat milk
1-4:00 Work, steal, extort and do drugs while both "friends and enemies" decide if they should kill me
4:00 to 5:00 run laps or play basketball while not looking out for your "friends" who might want to kill you.
5:00 eat dinner while trying not to sit anywhere near an enemy which would make my "friends" kill me even if my enemy didn't want to
6:00 to 11:00 get your hustle on, this means more mandatory working out, "putting in work" which is contributing to the criminal enterprises of your "friends" (not optional) Selling and buying extra food items at the prison store, and trying to find out who the hell my "friends" are so I can decide who to trust and who to trust less.
Saying people don't overeat in prison because there is no food, is like saying they don't do drugs because drugs are illegal and that would be bad. People in prison are in better shape, because either they can be in better shape or they can be victimized. choices.
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