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Sugar Cleanse- Help!
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »
I guess I should bother on this one. Yes it is key. Eliminating foods is essential to troubleshooting the issue. That's how you figure out what's working and what's not. Or it's one way.
Obviously all you wanted to do is in this post was denigrate/nitpick because you don't like me. Sad stuff indeed.
It's not that I don't like you. It's that you keep posting things as matter of fact that just aren't.0 -
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stevencloser wrote: »
And the rats in the study weren't?
Apparently not. Or at least not enough to make cocaine more appealing than sugar.0 -
Best post on the thread.0 -
SailorKnightWing wrote: »
Apparently not. Or at least not enough to make cocaine more appealing than sugar.
Sounds suspect to me.0 -
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stevencloser wrote: »
It's not that I don't like you. It's that you keep posting things as matter of fact that just aren't.
Absolutely it matters and you posted it because that's your M.O. It is a matter of fact and plenty of literature to support it.
We all do it all the time. If we didn't, we would all be eating ice cream all day long man.0 -
Add more healthy fat to your diet. It will help tremendously.0
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SailorKnightWing wrote: »"Perhaps the most extensively studied reward is that of food. Food is the quintessential reward in many rodent studies and has been used as a reinforcer in procedures such as operant (self-administration) tasks, runway tests, maze learning, gambling tasks, and place conditioning (Skinner, 1930; Ettenberg and Camp, 1986; Kandel et al, 2000; Kelley, 2004; Tzschentke, 2007; Zeeb et al, 2009). In rats that were trained to press a lever to receive intravenous self-administration of drugs, highly palatable foods such as sugar and saccharin were shown to reduce self-administration of cocaine and heroin (Carroll et al, 1989; Lenoir and Ahmed, 2008), and these natural reinforcers have been demonstrated to outcompete cocaine in choice self-administration in the majority of rats tested (Lenoir et al, 2007; Cantin et al, 2010). This would suggest that sweet foods have a higher reinforcing value than cocaine, even in animals with an extensive history of drug intake (Cantin et al., 2010). While this phenomenon could appear as a weakness in current models of cocaine addiction, a minority of rats prefer cocaine to sugar or saccharin (Cantin et al., 2010). It is possible that these animals may represent a “vulnerable” population, which is more relevant to the human condition. This notion is explored more in the Discussion (Section 6.1).
You guys are still confusing addiction as dependence. Addiction can be to ANYTHING (yes, even petting puppies) because it's a series of behaviors. Addiction often accompanies dependence, but not always. Are you saying gambling addiction isn't a thing? Because it is.
Gambling, sex, and food addictions do exist, but the are behavioral and not physical. I will say it again: drug and alcohol addictions are physical first, behavioral second.
I'm not confusing anything with anything.0 -
Please don't think I'm advocating that sugar dependence is a thing. It's not. You cannot become dependent on sugar the same way you can to cocaine or heroin. That's not how sugars of any type are processed in the body.
I'm merely trying to correct our vocabulary.0 -
tedboosalis7 wrote: »
Absolutely it matters and you posted it because that's your M.O. It is a matter of fact and plenty of literature to support it.
We all do it all the time. If we didn't, we would all be eating ice cream all day long man.
In the last year the only things I have eliminated has been excess calories and being a lazy ar$e and I'm at maintenance after losing over 50 lbs
Yesterday I ate 2 icecreams, 2 packs of baked chips, chocolate and 2 biscuits ...within my programme and meeting my macros and micros...I over-ran my calorie limit by 57 calories ...meh no biggie, am averaging over the week0 -
tedboosalis7 wrote: »
Absolutely it matters and you posted it because that's your M.O. It is a matter of fact and plenty of literature to support it.
We all do it all the time. If we didn't, we would all be eating ice cream all day long man.
Plenty of people on here will gladly tell you otherwise, how they didn't have the need to eliminate even one single thing to get themselves in line.0 -
SailorKnightWing wrote: »
One study does not science make. If the results of a study seem suspect, you do more studies to see if the results were good.0 -
SailorKnightWing wrote: »Please don't think I'm advocating that sugar dependence is a thing. It's not. You cannot become dependent on sugar the same way you can to cocaine or heroin. That's not how sugars of any type are processed in the body.
I'm merely trying to correct our vocabulary.
Your previous posting sound like you are advocating sugar addiction, so thanks for clearing that up.
If you are addicted to drugs and alcohol, you are physically dependent on them.0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »
I live in California, and it is indeed that way...though I don't advocate it.0 -
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stevencloser wrote: »
One study does not science make. If the results of a study seem suspect, you do more studies to see if the results were good.
The results of the study seem suspect to you. And one study is a lot more science than you have provided.
Your previous posting sound like you are advocating sugar addiction, so thanks for clearing that up.
If you are addicted to drugs and alcohol, you are physically dependent on them.
I want people who believe they have a sugar addiction to understand that it is not the same as as being dependent on cocaine. But I also want people who say sugar addiction doesn't exist to understand that it does, just not by their mistaken definition.
It's like when people say muscle weighs more than fat. The "by volume" should be understood, but often isn't.0 -
SailorKnightWing wrote: »
The results of the study seem suspect to you. And one study is a lot more science than you have provided.
I want people who believe they have a sugar addiction to understand that it is not the same as as being dependent on cocaine. But I also want people who say sugar addiction doesn't exist to understand that it does, just not by their mistaken definition.
It's like when people say muscle weighs more than fat. The "by volume" should be understood, but often isn't.
There's multiple things that look weird when reading through your link and looking at the different citations. Like in one, the rats that had to choose between a lever that gave them saccharin and a lever that did nothing at all, it took a week until they were statistically more likely to choose the saccharin lever, while the other group with a saccharin and a cocaine lever it took 2 days.
"Similarly, under the S+/C- condition, rats rapidly acquired a preference for lever S which became statistically reliable on day 7. More surprisingly, under the S+/C+ condition, rats immediately developed a strong and stable preference for lever S which became statistically significant on day 2."
Which makes me, obviously a non-scientist but still, presume, that it's more an issue with the cocaine than the saccharin.0 -
SailorKnightWing wrote: »
The results of the study seem suspect to you. And one study is a lot more science than you have provided.
I want people who believe they have a sugar addiction to understand that it is not the same as as being dependent on cocaine. But I also want people who say sugar addiction doesn't exist to understand that it does, just not by their mistaken definition.
It's like when people say muscle weighs more than fat. The "by volume" should be understood, but often isn't.
Sugar addiction does not exist at all, but sugar compulsion does. That simply means you are compulsively eating food. You are too advocating sugar addiction.0 -
I started a "sugar-free and artificial sweetener free" diet this week, just to see how it would make me feel. I wondered if there was a way to remove the craving for sweets. I'm in great shape with no health problems, I just like to try different diets and see how it affects my body. I noticed that during all of my experiments (vegan, vegetarian, gluten-free, zone diet, etc) or whenever I restricted calories to lose weight, I got by with lots of artificial sweeteners or sweet foods / fruits.
I went on a low calorie diet a couple months ago to drop a weight class before training for a lifting competition, and I noticed that the things I looked forward to the most was my protein smoothie, my coffees with Splenda, and a diet coke in the evening. It became clear that these were my most intense cravings, and although I could maintain my weight loss and "feel fine" while including them, I wanted to see if there was a way to get rid of these cravings and do without them - not by just sucking it up and being aggravated while excluding them from my diet, but to actually stop craving them so I wouldn't want them.
I felt that, for me, any sweetener (real or artificial), caused me to crave more sweets, so I would try to cut them all out. I came up with the rules of no artificial sweeteners (including stevia) or refined sugars, limiting my daily sugar intake to under 25g - only from low sugar fruits (like strawberries) or milk with no added sugars. Whole grains, starches, beans and brown rice are ok (none of which I find addictive and give me plenty of sources of carbohydrates).
In this first week, I've noticed my mood has substantially improved. I actually did not have any huge cravings until this weekend, but I've probably been doing well because I've been relatively low sugar (~50g/day) for the last 8 weeks. I don't get "hangry" at all, which used to happen a lot. I have no "crash" in the middle of the day. The most amazing thing is that I only drink one 12oz coffee from Starbucks every day. I've tried to quit caffeine several times, with HUGE headaches and withdrawals, and could never have just one per day. It's always two 16oz dark roasts with Splenda (or dunkin donuts with cream and sugar) an 8oz coffee at night and maybe a diet coke. Nothing I ever tried would work, but as soon as I gave up Splenda and had to drink it back, I automatically went to one 12 oz in the morning. There was actually no effort required to stay away from more coffee - I just didn't want it, and for me that unbelievable. It makes me think I was more addicted to the Splenda or sugar than the caffeine.
My whole purpose of cutting caffeine and sugar isn't to lose weight or become fit - I can clearly do that without it. My goal is to think more clearly, act mindfully and have an even level of energy throughout the day. And to truly enjoy what I eat - to lose my craving for sweetened foods so I can fully appreciate a whole, natural diet. So while it's possible to just eat sweetened foods in moderation (easier said than done for many), I find it easier to completely abstain, at least according to the rules I gave myself above.
To the OP, good luck on your "sugar cleanse." That's got to be difficult as a vegetarian! Maybe this link will help: http://www.radiantrecovery.com/7steps.htm. I came across it while searching the Internet for motivation to start this sugar-free thing. I don't know anything about her book or method, but the seven steps she lays out to go sugar-free seem like a good way to ease into it.0 -
What an enlightening group of individuals.
Whether it is emotional or physical: I have a problem with sugar.
If you want to help, cool. If not, your opinion is not valuable to me.
Also, 99% of you need to learn how to read and spell.0 -
My whole purpose of cutting caffeine and sugar isn't to lose weight or become fit - I can clearly do that without it. My goal is to think more clearly, act mindfully and have an even level of energy throughout the day. And to truly enjoy what I eat - to lose my craving for sweetened foods so I can fully appreciate a whole, natural diet. So while it's possible to just eat sweetened foods in moderation (easier said than done for many), I find it easier to completely abstain, at least according to the rules I gave myself above.
To the OP, good luck on your "sugar cleanse." That's got to be difficult as a vegetarian! Maybe this link will help: http://www.radiantrecovery.com/7steps.htm. I came across it while searching the Internet for motivation to start this sugar-free thing. I don't know anything about her book or method, but the seven steps she lays out to go sugar-free seem like a good way to ease into it.
Exactly!! I am a healthy, extremely active park ranger living in VT. my BMI is normal. I am not some psycho trying to "trick" my body into looking like one of the olsen twins. I just dont want to be so dependent on added sugar.
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Weather you like there advice or not you should never loose your cool because two many of them are write.
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hyphenatot wrote: »
This is so riddled with spelling errors that I can barely understand it.
Weather you like there advice or not you should never loose your cool because two many of them are write.
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Actually... I got it. Thanks.0
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