Vent: Was my kid handed an unfair/unjustifiable punishment in Phys. Ed?
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I would communicate with the P.E. teacher first, without anger. Clear expectations should be set that both the parents and the students know. Then if your son does not follow the rules, you/he will know what punishments to expect.0
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pechepanda wrote: »
we only got one day suspensions for forgetting our uniform, except for gym, where we got 5% docked for each class we didnt have our uniform, and we got to choose between running laps, push-ups or crunches for the whole class but we couldnt take breakspechepanda wrote: »your son could have said no and taken docked marks, no one can make him do anything,
though a 100 burpees isnt that bad, 10 sets of 10 in what? an hour?
we did that when i was a kid just when we were warming up, not even as a punishment and we were all fine,
I understand you dont want your child to be in pain, but most jr high kids are capable of doing 100 burpees without experiencing that much pain, they might be sore for a day at most, so maybe the gym teacher wasnt aware of your son's fitness levels?
the knuckle push-ups on the track is a bit much, but the burpees are acceptable in my opinion
If my kid had of said no to that particular punishment, there would have been a much bigger punishment at home and it would have included 100 burpees. That actually would have gotten me a 3 day suspension when I was in middle school.
i dont have kids and i dont know what id do if i did, but my parents put me in karate everyday after school after i forgot my uniform a few times and refused to do the punishment cause skirts and crunches are a bad idea,
I got to do 100 burpees, 100 crunches, 100 sit-ups and run laps with a medicine ball held up over my head everyday day for a year... never forgot my gym uniform again...
that would make for an interesting thread...punishments that left us with lessons learned.
also, the 3 day would have been for saying no to the coach/teacher. Not for forgetting the uniform.
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I was upset one time when my daughter's 4th grade gym teacher made them run outside in the rain. It wasn't a nice warm rain, it was cold and damp. I did call and complain and was reprimanded that being cold and wet doesn't give kids colds. But it sure doesn't make them look forward to gym class does it, lol.
That's just stupid on their part. Then the kids have to sit in class wet for the rest of the day. How distracting.
I thought it was pretty stupid myself....and let them know, that they have a tax-payer provided gym the kids can run laps in when the weather is bad....nothing more effective about running out in the rain when you're 9 years old. LOL
My daughter was mad at me too for making the call...lol.-1 -
i never got in trouble for saying no at school as long as i was still safe cause i could come up with a reason for why, so i just got a phone call home,pechepanda wrote: »
we only got one day suspensions for forgetting our uniform, except for gym, where we got 5% docked for each class we didnt have our uniform, and we got to choose between running laps, push-ups or crunches for the whole class but we couldnt take breakspechepanda wrote: »your son could have said no and taken docked marks, no one can make him do anything,
though a 100 burpees isnt that bad, 10 sets of 10 in what? an hour?
we did that when i was a kid just when we were warming up, not even as a punishment and we were all fine,
I understand you dont want your child to be in pain, but most jr high kids are capable of doing 100 burpees without experiencing that much pain, they might be sore for a day at most, so maybe the gym teacher wasnt aware of your son's fitness levels?
the knuckle push-ups on the track is a bit much, but the burpees are acceptable in my opinion
If my kid had of said no to that particular punishment, there would have been a much bigger punishment at home and it would have included 100 burpees. That actually would have gotten me a 3 day suspension when I was in middle school.
i dont have kids and i dont know what id do if i did, but my parents put me in karate everyday after school after i forgot my uniform a few times and refused to do the punishment cause skirts and crunches are a bad idea,
I got to do 100 burpees, 100 crunches, 100 sit-ups and run laps with a medicine ball held up over my head everyday day for a year... never forgot my gym uniform again...
that would make for an interesting thread...punishments that left us with lessons learned.
also, the 3 day would have been for saying no to the coach/teacher. Not for forgetting the uniform.
yea.... most of the punishments i got as a kid taught me nothing, they didnt bother me,
i just really didnt like the karate studio my parents sent me to cause id get kept after class and given punishments for talking back, and that annoyed me0 -
I do recall my band teacher in middle school making one of the kids stand outside in the cold, without a coat, as a punishment for something. This was in them middle of winter. I reported the teacher to the principal because that was above and beyond. That is something I would expect my kid to say no to and then to head straight to the main office.0
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100 burpees is unfair for not dressing for gym class? How many sets of gym clothes does he have? Why not keep a spare at school?
Unless your son has a physical impairment, that really doesn't sound unfair or unjustified. So he is sore, he will live. If you don't want him to receive physical punishments, have a chat with the principle and see if there are other options, like losing grade points. But you're doing that at the risk of letting him believe rules don't apply to him.
I get it, you want to be protective --- but the teacher wasn't out of line.0 -
noclady1995 wrote: »fallenoaks4 wrote: »Life isn't fair. Perhaps next time he will follow the rules.
Yes, I agree, but I believe my son has some rights. These types of punishments are not called for in a middle school setting. If he had just docked his grade, and had my son continued to not adhere to the rules, I would see it and consequence would follow at home, as well. But my son didn't have to tell me his arms were so sore he could barely lift them and barely function for four days. And all this because he didn't comply one day with dress code. I don't know. Maybe I'm overreacting?
Wait, making kids to physical exercise in a phys ed class isn't appropriate in a school setting? I must be missing something.0 -
If y'all keep talking to OP like this, there will be a "mean people" thread before Friday...0
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Whatever happened to just being embarrassed and wearing the ancient loaner gym clothes and making them run a few laps? I remember that being like the Dunce Hat of P.E.
I personally feel the coach went overboard. What would've been the subsequent "punishment" if the child couldn't complete the burpees?0 -
noclady1995 wrote: »And to be clear...my son mentioned he was over it, and he actually begged me not to complain. He was fine with the punishment. I'm the one who isn't fine with it. And don't worry...I don't give in to everything my son does wrong. Just the opposite. I just have a hard time not picturing prisoners of war. Haha. Totally exaggerating. But maybe i just need to calm down.
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If I was the parent - my kid didn't follow the rules, he was not punished, he was given consequences. Consequences that would discourage him in the future from not following the rules. I say good on the coach - kids don't need to be coddled and babied when they are in middle school. Scrapes and bruises and cuts and sore muscles tends to go with the territory when you are an active/athletic kid or even adult for that matter.
Being physically uncomfortable or sore is not torture or an infringement of rights.0 -
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dolliesdaughter wrote: »
Exactly. So are going to complain because your son didn't follow the rules? Not a good example that you would be setting. Plus you said he wasn't bothered, he knows better he was just being a lazy kid.I wouldn't do anything. I bet your son doesn't forget his gym clothes again! Sucks to learn lessons...but ya gotta learn sometime.
I agree with the first part, but it does sound like the kid genuinely forgot to take his kit to school. Forgetting about something isn't the same as being lazy. She specified that he had to borrow a uniform from the school, so he still had to do P.E. It's not like he got out of it by leaving his kit.
Other than that, yeah, just forget about it, OP. Could have been worse.0 -
Our coaches just had us do the same exercises in our regular clothes.
In the Army, we'd get PT'ed for forgetting stuff and wearing the wrong clothes. I thought it was stupid to make people view exercise as a punishment. Push-ups, sit-ups, flutter kicks, running, all for punishment---great way to teach a healthy lifestyle. [eyeroll]
And then you had those who enjoyed the physical exercise and didn't 'learn' from the punishment because they viewed it as a reward anyway.
Just because someone is a teacher or a coach doesn't mean they're good with kids. I don't think the coach did any damage---he just isn't good with kids.0 -
noclady1995 wrote: »Okay. Thanks guys. Maybe I was just being overly sensitive. I'll let it slide. My son will be grateful_incogNEATo_ wrote: »If y'all keep talking to OP like this, there will be a "mean people" thread before Friday...
Haha...I have thick skin, no biggie. People have their own way of thinking and doing things w/ regards to their children with disciplining and education. Thankfully, I have a great, well-rounded son has a thick skin too. My mama bear instincts just popped out a bit fast...
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Ya know, I'm all for kids following rules and the like. I almost always side with teachers in cases like this, even when it involves my own children. Especially so then. And I'm fine with, and support, physical education in schools.
But did no one else ever get punished by a sadistic gym teacher? Is whatever punishment the teacher doles out OK?
I was called out in front of my entire class by the gym teacher on the first day of fifth grade in a new school for not locking my gym locker correctly. I bore anger at that teacher for many years and stopped taking gym as soon as I could, but I always remembered to lock my locker. So lesson learned, but probably not the lesson the teacher intended.0 -
^ I was never humiliated, interestingly enough, by any of my gym teachers...I always flew under the radar. I wasn't overweight, but I was lazy, and did just enough and put just enough effort in for them not to notice me one way or the other.
Changing my mind - it was my 5th Grade English teacher - who humiliated me in front of the entire 5th grade (yes he took me from classroom to classroom to shame me in front of other kids) because I left my English book in my other classroom. Had he done this to all students, I wouldn't have been so angry and wouldn't still be angry...but other kids who were his favorites were allowed to go retrieve forgotten items without humiliation...
Some teachers just should NOT be teachers, that is true.0 -
wtf is wrong with people. its just gym clothes there should not be any kind of punishment for forgetting them ( & there sure as hell wasent at my highschool we would just sit out for the day)
id be pissed off if I was you OP & also if I was your son
actually knowing me I would of laughed right in the teachers face for thinking they could treat me like that & my mom would of backed me too
"punish" kids when it is actually deserved0 -
salembambi wrote: »wtf is wrong with people. its just gym clothes there should not be any kind of punishment for forgetting them ( & there sure as hell wasent at my highschool we would just sit out for the day)
id be pissed off if I was you OP & also if I was your son
actually knowing me I would of laughed right in the teachers face for thinking they could treat me like that & my mom would of backed me too
"punish" kids when it is actually deserved
If there are rules in place, then it doesn't matter if you agree or not. I guess there's always home school.0 -
I'd be pretty darn impressed that my kid could pull off 100 burpees...
In all seriousness, he hurts, but he will recover. Do you want to make a big deal of it, and make youir kid THAT kid? If the gym teacher is actually a sadist, you could just be making it worse.0 -
My middle school gym class was more or less a joke. But on the basketball team, we'd get in huge trouble for not dressing out or not having the right shoes; coaches would make us run for. But we needed to dress out, and we needed to run...running an extra half mile will suck for that day in practice, but it increases stamina(gotta stay positive hehe)0
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Wow! Your son can do 100 burpees? He's a badazz! Also Ibuprofen helps with those kinds of muscle aches as does the foam roller. Also if he's "over it" and does not want you to interfere, you shouldn't.
P.S. I'm from California too.
P.S.S. I have boys too. One of which is graduating from college this year and has paid for all the tickets of everyone coming and has coordinated a celebration afterwards complete with dinner. The other who has turned around a negative school social and behavior situation to the point where he is referred to by Administration as a "success story".
P.S.S.S. My points above were not to brag but to point out that an important part of parenting is to know when to step back and let things work.0 -
That does sound a little excessive, but I'd honestly not do anything. Just let it go for now and see how it goes. If these type of things happen again, or become frequent then I'd go in for a talk.
Sometimes emails aren't the best way of communication because it's hard to show emotion through writing often. I'd rather go for a face to face meeting(if this type of thing continues)0 -
I think you really need to speak to phys ed teacher, 100 burpees seems excessive! I hope your son's view of staying in shape isn't compromised0
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I was upset one time when my daughter's 4th grade gym teacher made them run outside in the rain. It wasn't a nice warm rain, it was cold and damp. I did call and complain and was reprimanded that being cold and wet doesn't give kids colds. But it sure doesn't make them look forward to gym class does it, lol.
When I was in Jr. High we used to play keep away with some boys. But ONLY on cold wet rainy days. So there would be mud. And sliding. And swerving. And sloshing. We'd go back to class cold wet and covered in mud. The only thing distracting about it was our passing notes with big smiles to invite who was up to doing it again tomorrow and who had heard the weather forecast if it's gonna rain again. Neither my father nor my mother raised an eyebrow at my clothes upon returning home. They just washed them.0 -
salembambi wrote: »wtf is wrong with people. its just gym clothes there should not be any kind of punishment for forgetting them ( & there sure as hell wasent at my highschool we would just sit out for the day)
id be pissed off if I was you OP & also if I was your son
actually knowing me I would of laughed right in the teachers face for thinking they could treat me like that & my mom would of backed me too
"punish" kids when it is actually deserved
Wow. That sounds like an easy system to exploit. Just broke up with b/f and don't feel like archery? Just say you forgot your gym clothes! In my day we had to have aunt flo emergencies to get out of gym. Oh, or get a teen pregnancy. For some reason, gym seemed easier.0 -
I'm really not seeing the issue here... If we forgot our gym clothes we lost the points and we had to run or do some other miserable, degrading physical task. BFD. So, your kid got to find out he can do 100 burpees? Awesome. Maybe if kids actually faced real punishment in school they wouldn't be such insufferable little ****s like most of the overly coddled little brats are these days.0
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The only time we have ever intervened when one of our kids got in trouble was when my oldest got a day of "disciplinary management class" (aka in-school suspension) because another kid accidentally tripped over my son's feet. The crazy teacher also gave the same punishment to the kid that tripped. My husband spoke to the vice-principal and to his credit he talked to some of the other kids in class and found that nope, neither kid was goofing off or anything, just one tripped over the other and the teacher freaked out. The VP said we could consider the matter closed. LOL Other than something like that, they take what they get.0
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Your "momma bear" came through, I understand. No parent wants to see their child in pain, hurt, etc. However, rules are rules and if he didn't have his clothes, he should face the consequence.0
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Actually...Have you ever tried to do 100 burpees? I think that was a little harsh. Some push ups? Sure. I don't agree with this at all.0
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