Omnivore vs. Vegan / Vegetarian / Nutritarian
bexita617
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I just watched Food, Inc and I'm in the process of reading "Eat to Live" and I'm seriously considering becoming a vegetarian (or Nutritarian, as the book labels it). Has anyone here made that transition? What prompted you to do it & how has the change affected your health? Biggest challenges?
Anyone read the book? Thoughts?
Anyone read the book? Thoughts?
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I've been meat-free on and off. I find it difficult at times as my partner will not turn vegetarian, definitely not vegan and we haven't got the funds to make different meals every night. I just try to eat animal products less and less; I'm finding more and more substitutes but it's a work in progress. Generally I think it's a good idea and definitely worth a try! I really started to think about it when I saw how much meat/fish is thrown away at supermarkets every day (more of an ethically decision).0
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Has anyone here made that transition?
Yes. I switched to a mainly vegan diet in October last Year.
What prompted you to do it & how has the change affected your health?
For me, I read Rich Roll's book (he's a vegan ultra athlete) which pretty much changed my life overnight. That in itself is unusual for me as someone who is naturally very sceptical.
I made the change because whatever I'd tried before now simply wasn't working consistently so thought it was worth a shot.
By going vegan, it would also deny me my nemesis foods, greasy meats and cheese.
Before all the arm-waving starts, I know that the consensus on here is that you shouldn't deny yourself anything. But, for me, that simply wasn't working.
Health changes:
1) I definitely have more energy. That was the one, big, noticeable change that was fairly rapid.
2) I haven't got a cold or Winter bug since switching.
3) I'm far more aware of nutrients in food and the importance of proper fuelling.
4) Less of the aches and pains that I'd simply put down to getting older.
A lot of the above changes are probably more down to me now eating far more nutritious food rather than cutting out meat. But, whatever the reason, the benefits have been real.
Biggest challenges?
The learning curve really. Had I gone just vegetarian, I think it would have been a lot easier finding substitutes for meat in meals. Omitting animal products entirely takes a bit of work but I'm glad I learned how to do it as it now gives me options.
Also, peoples attitudes! I encountered a fair bit of negativity from friends and colleagues which surprised me. But, as it's no-ones business but mine, it doesn't bother me personally.
Where I am now:
I'm not in any particular group. I'm mainly vegan, but also vegetarian, but will also eat meat and fish occasionally. I'm doing the "me" diet which doesn't fit into a pigeon hole.
My personal thoughts are (and this is just my personal opinion, not looking to start arguments) that the problem with modern animal products is that they're so far removed now from how they would have been. Genetically engineered to yield massive gains from the least input, I don't believe that modern animal products are a particularly great way to live.
If I had access to natural, wild meat, I doubt I would have tried to remove it from my diet.
There is also the ethical argument, although I must admit I do it purely for selfish reasons.
Anyway, sorry, that's a lot of waffle that mostly isn't that relevant to you!
But, long story short, this previous self-confirmed carnivore who previously regarded veg as just "something that food eats" wouldn't now go back to an omnivorous diet.0 -
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Vegan here. I did make the jump five years ago after seeing a PETA booth at a gay pride festival, and being a fifteen year old girl who loved her animals, I went vegetarian cold tofurky that day. About a year ago I went full tilt vegan, and couldn't be happier about it. For me, it's all ethical. I don't want to eat animals or animal products (and at this point, they taste so gross to me) so I simply don't. I do want to let you know that being vegan DOES NOT mean that you are healthy. Oreos, fritos, french fries, fake vegan cheese, fake meat, and fake ice cream are all vegan. Now, nothing wrong with those things, but when I first switched, I would literally eat nothing but grilled cheese sandwichs, chips and soda. I think I went three years without ever eating a single vegetable (Excluding potatoes) I also reached my highest weight as a vegetarian.
Now, as for health reasons, you can be a healthy vegan, vegetarian, or omnivore. Be aware that the biggest piece of evidence for a vegan diet, The China Study, has been largely debunked. So do some research about health benefits of a vegan diet, and look close, because some of it is now outdated. As for my health changes, mine have been HUGE. I have a disease called Endometrisos, which is female reproductive disorder that causes severe pain during my period and randomly as well. Since cutting out animals products my symptoms have improved so much! I have more energy, less pain, I'm not as moody or as sore as I used to be. So for me and my specific situation, it has helped tremendously. My suggestion is to try it for a month, see if you like it, and if you do, stick with it. Best of luck!
Also, here is a group devoted to Veg-heads that can totally help with any veggie specific questions you may have!
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/45-happy-herbivores0 -
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I like being an omnivore...0
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thank you for the community link yogi323.... I just joined!!0
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Omnivore and glad of it.0
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As an omnivore you can eat everything vegans, vegetarians, nutritarians eat. And then some. Or not. The only thing you don't get is a special label that lets you declare to your friends that you can't eat this or that because you've self identified with a label that doesn't allow this or that.
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As an omnivore you can eat everything vegans, vegetarians, nutritarians eat. And then some. Or not. The only thing you don't get is a special label that lets you declare to your friends that you can't eat this or that because you've self identified with a label that doesn't allow this or that.
And that is so different as coming to a weight loss forum and loudly declaring your omnivore status. So so different. Pot. Kettle.
Why is that the same thing? The point of being an omnivore is that you can eat pretty much anything put in front of you, as long as it's not generally harmful to human life--and I'd add the restriction that you like it and are not sensitive or allergic to it. What makes being on a weight loss forum so special, when vegans declare their special snowflake status wherever, whenever they are around others who have the ability to comprehend them. The nice thing about being an omnivore is that it represents the majority--so eating as an omnivore does not need any special status or whatever--omnivores are just people eating, the way nature meant people to eat.
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I never said I was an omnivore (although I am). It is completely not the same thing. A vegan can't walk into a room without announcing his or her vegan-ness. If they are in the room with a bunch of vegans, they need to compare vegan credentials. When omnivores get together, they eat. That's pretty much it.
Anyway, if someone is posting a thread asking about different ways of eating, then it's natural to respond with personal experience--in my case omnivorous eating. It doesn't mean anyone is announcing anything--they are simply staying on topic. There is nothing special about a vegan diet, with the exception of the sense of entitlement it confers upon the eater, at least in the case of the "ethical" vegan or if you believe that it is a form of orthorexia. It is just as bad or just as good as any other way of eating with just as many obese people as any other way of eating. If you don't like that people respond to threads entitled "omnivore vs. vegan, etc." with an omnivore's perspective, don't read them.0 -
LoupGarouTFTs wrote: »I never said I was an omnivore (although I am). It is completely not the same thing. A vegan can't walk into a room without announcing his or her vegan-ness. If they are in the room with a bunch of vegans, they need to compare vegan credentials. When omnivores get together, they eat. That's pretty much it.
Anyway, if someone is posting a thread asking about different ways of eating, then it's natural to respond with personal experience--in my case omnivorous eating. It doesn't mean anyone is announcing anything--they are simply staying on topic. There is nothing special about a vegan diet, with the exception of the sense of entitlement it confers upon the eater, at least in the case of the "ethical" vegan or if you believe that it is a form of orthorexia. It is just as bad or just as good as any other way of eating with just as many obese people as any other way of eating. If you don't like that people respond to threads entitled "omnivore vs. vegan, etc." with an omnivore's perspective, don't read them.
Woah there buddy. I find that a bit offensive, to say the least. Not everyone announces their "vegan-ness" thank you very much. I think at my work, maybe two of my coworkers (out of fifty) know that I'm vegan. And that's because they are close friends and I thought it might be helpful if they knew that I don't eat meat. I don't feel a sense of entitlement with my diet. I don't like meat, so I don't eat it. I don't want to eat dead animals, (since you brought ethics into this) so I don't. That doesn't mean I feel better than anybody, or that I look down on someone for what they eat. Frankly, that's silly. It's pretty darn simple.
I don't announce my vegan-ness for a couple of reasons. Firstly, I don't announce it because A. Most of the time it's irrelevant (exceptions being when I'm meeting someone for dinner, going to a family gathering, ect.) and B. because a lot of people have their own notions about what I have to be because of what I eat. I understand that the loudest vegan (I.e. PETA) tend to leave a sour impression in most peoples mind when they think of vegans, but please, don't judge everybody based on a small minority. That isn't very nice.
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LoupGarouTFTs wrote: »As an omnivore you can eat everything vegans, vegetarians, nutritarians eat. And then some. Or not. The only thing you don't get is a special label that lets you declare to your friends that you can't eat this or that because you've self identified with a label that doesn't allow this or that.
And that is so different as coming to a weight loss forum and loudly declaring your omnivore status. So so different. Pot. Kettle.
Why is that the same thing? The point of being an omnivore is that you can eat pretty much anything put in front of you, as long as it's not generally harmful to human life--and I'd add the restriction that you like it and are not sensitive or allergic to it. What makes being on a weight loss forum so special, when vegans declare their special snowflake status wherever, whenever they are around others who have the ability to comprehend them. The nice thing about being an omnivore is that it represents the majority--so eating as an omnivore does not need any special status or whatever--omnivores are just people eating, the way nature meant people to eat.
oh for god's bloody sake RMFE.0 -
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LoupGarouTFTs wrote: »As an omnivore you can eat everything vegans, vegetarians, nutritarians eat. And then some. Or not. The only thing you don't get is a special label that lets you declare to your friends that you can't eat this or that because you've self identified with a label that doesn't allow this or that.
And that is so different as coming to a weight loss forum and loudly declaring your omnivore status. So so different. Pot. Kettle.
Why is that the same thing? The point of being an omnivore is that you can eat pretty much anything put in front of you, as long as it's not generally harmful to human life--and I'd add the restriction that you like it and are not sensitive or allergic to it. What makes being on a weight loss forum so special, when vegans declare their special snowflake status wherever, whenever they are around others who have the ability to comprehend them. The nice thing about being an omnivore is that it represents the majority--so eating as an omnivore does not need any special status or whatever--omnivores are just people eating, the way nature meant people to eat.
I'm not sure who you are hanging out with, but there are many vegans who don't bring it up unless it is relevant to the conversation. Many of my co-workers don't even know that I'm vegan.
I really don't see the difference between the behavior you're describing from vegans and your inability to avoid talking about how much you don't like vegans whenever there is a thread about veganism.0 -
Well I've never called myself an omnivore even though I guess I am. But I love food. All food. I announce my love of food every day. It's pretty much what I talk about the most. 2 months ago when I purchased ham at 89 dollars a lb I told the entire world. I guess I'm an omnivore outcast.
Was it Iberico ham or something? I saw a ham that expensive recently and I wondered if it could possibly taste that good. Was it worth it?0 -
Has anyone here made that transition?
Yes. I switched to a mainly vegan diet in October last Year.
What prompted you to do it & how has the change affected your health?
For me, I read Rich Roll's book (he's a vegan ultra athlete) which pretty much changed my life overnight. That in itself is unusual for me as someone who is naturally very sceptical.
I made the change because whatever I'd tried before now simply wasn't working consistently so thought it was worth a shot.
By going vegan, it would also deny me my nemesis foods, greasy meats and cheese.
Before all the arm-waving starts, I know that the consensus on here is that you shouldn't deny yourself anything. But, for me, that simply wasn't working.
Health changes:
1) I definitely have more energy. That was the one, big, noticeable change that was fairly rapid.
2) I haven't got a cold or Winter bug since switching.
3) I'm far more aware of nutrients in food and the importance of proper fuelling.
4) Less of the aches and pains that I'd simply put down to getting older.
A lot of the above changes are probably more down to me now eating far more nutritious food rather than cutting out meat. But, whatever the reason, the benefits have been real.
Biggest challenges?
The learning curve really. Had I gone just vegetarian, I think it would have been a lot easier finding substitutes for meat in meals. Omitting animal products entirely takes a bit of work but I'm glad I learned how to do it as it now gives me options.
Also, peoples attitudes! I encountered a fair bit of negativity from friends and colleagues which surprised me. But, as it's no-ones business but mine, it doesn't bother me personally.
Where I am now:
I'm not in any particular group. I'm mainly vegan, but also vegetarian, but will also eat meat and fish occasionally. I'm doing the "me" diet which doesn't fit into a pigeon hole.
My personal thoughts are (and this is just my personal opinion, not looking to start arguments) that the problem with modern animal products is that they're so far removed now from how they would have been. Genetically engineered to yield massive gains from the least input, I don't believe that modern animal products are a particularly great way to live.
If I had access to natural, wild meat, I doubt I would have tried to remove it from my diet.
There is also the ethical argument, although I must admit I do it purely for selfish reasons.
Anyway, sorry, that's a lot of waffle that mostly isn't that relevant to you!
But, long story short, this previous self-confirmed carnivore who previously regarded veg as just "something that food eats" wouldn't now go back to an omnivorous diet.
That's awesome & I totally agree! Thanks for sharing your story. And I love the "Me" diet0 -
Vegan here. I did make the jump five years ago after seeing a PETA booth at a gay pride festival, and being a fifteen year old girl who loved her animals, I went vegetarian cold tofurky that day. About a year ago I went full tilt vegan, and couldn't be happier about it. For me, it's all ethical. I don't want to eat animals or animal products (and at this point, they taste so gross to me) so I simply don't. I do want to let you know that being vegan DOES NOT mean that you are healthy. Oreos, fritos, french fries, fake vegan cheese, fake meat, and fake ice cream are all vegan. Now, nothing wrong with those things, but when I first switched, I would literally eat nothing but grilled cheese sandwichs, chips and soda. I think I went three years without ever eating a single vegetable (Excluding potatoes) I also reached my highest weight as a vegetarian.
Now, as for health reasons, you can be a healthy vegan, vegetarian, or omnivore. Be aware that the biggest piece of evidence for a vegan diet, The China Study, has been largely debunked. So do some research about health benefits of a vegan diet, and look close, because some of it is now outdated. As for my health changes, mine have been HUGE. I have a disease called Endometrisos, which is female reproductive disorder that causes severe pain during my period and randomly as well. Since cutting out animals products my symptoms have improved so much! I have more energy, less pain, I'm not as moody or as sore as I used to be. So for me and my specific situation, it has helped tremendously. My suggestion is to try it for a month, see if you like it, and if you do, stick with it. Best of luck!
Also, here is a group devoted to Veg-heads that can totally help with any veggie specific questions you may have!
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/45-happy-herbivores
Awesome! Thanks for the feedback! & yes, I know not to indulge on packaged/processed foods. The book encourages a 90% plant;based diet (fruits, veg, beans, nuts, seeds).0 -
I've been a vegetarian going for 14 years and counting now. I became a vegetarian because with all the countless plant based foods available I didn't find it necessary to eat foods that caused the end of another animals life. Having said that, I know that what we eat and why is a personal choice. I judge no one else by what they put on their plate. I focus on what I put on my plate.
I went vegan for a very short period of time, but found that I enjoyed having eggs and cheese in my life. I do the best I can to get my eggs and cheese from sources which limit the amount of harm and damage to the animals and know that I am doing the best I can.
I feel great being a vegetarian. I make sure I get plenty of protein and that all my food doesn't end up just being carbs, carbs, carbs. For the first few years there were times that I missed meat, but no more. Sometimes I will see a dish that has meat in it that looks yummy, but nothing that makes me want to eat it. It is also so much easier to be a veg head now than when I first became a vegetarian. There are always items on the menu at restaurants. I also live in a very vegetarian friendly area. There are a whole handful of vegan restaurants in my area, so I am surrounded by supportive people and environments.
Enjoy the transition!
My city is very veg - friendly too. I just gotta get better making time to cook cause I can't eat out all the time! Haha! Thanks for sharing!0 -
LoupGarouTFTs wrote: »I never said I was an omnivore (although I am). It is completely not the same thing. A vegan can't walk into a room without announcing his or her vegan-ness. If they are in the room with a bunch of vegans, they need to compare vegan credentials. When omnivores get together, they eat. That's pretty much it.
Anyway, if someone is posting a thread asking about different ways of eating, then it's natural to respond with personal experience--in my case omnivorous eating. It doesn't mean anyone is announcing anything--they are simply staying on topic. There is nothing special about a vegan diet, with the exception of the sense of entitlement it confers upon the eater, at least in the case of the "ethical" vegan or if you believe that it is a form of orthorexia. It is just as bad or just as good as any other way of eating with just as many obese people as any other way of eating. If you don't like that people respond to threads entitled "omnivore vs. vegan, etc." with an omnivore's perspective, don't read them.
So many people say this, but has it occurred to you that the only way you know someone is vegan is if they tell you? So by definition, all the vegans you know of have "announced it" at some point. I bet you know a lot more vegans than you think; many of the vegans I know keep it to themselves because of the kind of judgement and preconceptions you are espousing in this very post.0 -
I just watched Food, Inc and I'm in the process of reading "Eat to Live" and I'm seriously considering becoming a vegetarian (or Nutritarian, as the book labels it). Has anyone here made that transition? What prompted you to do it & how has the change affected your health? Biggest challenges?
Anyone read the book? Thoughts?
I've watched pretty much all the food documentaries out there, as well as have read over 60 books on food, nutrition, dieting, food politics etc etc. My thoughts-every 'expert' touts their way of eating as the Only Way, and if you don't eat that way you'll die a horrible, disease filled death. And then the next 'expert' comes along with their way of eating, which is usually the total OPPOSITE of the other guy, and claims their way as the Only Way, and if you don't eat that way you'll die a horrible, disease filled death. And round and round it goes
I've experimented with vegetarian, Nourishing Traditions/whole foods, paleo etc and yeah, nothing magical happened with any of them, except I did experience some unpleasant side effects. So now I eat all the foods I enjoy, am mindful of calories, macros and portion sizes, and I continue to have great success not only for weight loss and maintenance, but also for better health (and I have the blood work to prove it). To each their own
eta: OP, you start your profile page with "I've been through almost every diet fad, excersize video, diet pill you can think of" and yet you're starting a new fad woe?? Interesting....0 -
Sarasmaintaining wrote: »I just watched Food, Inc and I'm in the process of reading "Eat to Live" and I'm seriously considering becoming a vegetarian (or Nutritarian, as the book labels it). Has anyone here made that transition? What prompted you to do it & how has the change affected your health? Biggest challenges?
Anyone read the book? Thoughts?
I've watched pretty much all the food documentaries out there, as well as have read over 60 books on food, nutrition, dieting, food politics etc etc. My thoughts-every 'expert' touts their way of eating as the Only Way, and if you don't eat that way you'll die a horrible, disease filled death. And then the next 'expert' comes along with their way of eating, which is usually the total OPPOSITE of the other guy, and touts their way as the Only Way, and if you don't eat that way you'll die a horrible, disease filled death. And round and round it goes
I've experimented with vegetarian, Nourishing Traditions/whole foods, paleo etc and yeah, nothing magical happened with any of them, except I did experience some unpleasant side effects. So now I eat all the foods I enjoy, am mindful of calories, macros and portion sizes, and I continue to have great success not only for weight loss and maintenance, but also for better health (and I have the blood work to prove it). To each their own
eta: OP, you start your profile page with "I've been through almost every diet fad, excersize video, diet pill you can think of" and yet you're starting a new fad woe?? Interesting....
Thanks for sharing. I always appreciate a different perspective (as long as it's respectful...not mentioning any names^^^^ lol). I suppose every BODY is different & responds differently. I applaud your research & wish you continued good health!0 -
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And I wish you success as well
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Has anyone here made that transition?
I have not, although I've looked seriously at vegetarianism. Mostly I was thinking that it would be a good thing for me to try and eat more legumes, veggies, and such, and as meat was never a big deal for me to eat, taste-wise, I didn't mind eliminating it.
What prompted you to do it[?]
I was first interested because it was cheaper and I thought I'd be more likely to seriously start eating more veggies and fruits and legumes, which i thought was good for my health. Ethical considerations were involved, too, but financial constraints were a biggie, if I'm honest.
...how has the change affected your health?
Horribly. Just really, really badly. Turns out, all the veggies and legumes and such that I didn't like to eat? I react to them. I have poor gut bacteria health due to celiac disease, some food allergies, a few food intolerances, and also need to have a low oxalate diet (don't eliminate oxalates as fast as I need to). All of these combined meant that a vegetarian/vegan diet is just impossible if I want to maintain any semblance of good health. Or live, really.
Biggest challenges?
I just want to mention this one - the poor gut health? This can be a big issue for veganism or vegetarianism. Gut bacteria help a lot in breaking down or eliminating many components of our food. For example, things like oxalates, which are in higher levels in many veggies and impede one's ability to absorb calcium. So I would say anyone thinking about making the switch over would be greatly helped by homemade fermented foods, or probiotics, as they start off.0 -
omnivore. I believe in responsible consumption when and where I can. happy cows and all that.
I have no objection to veganism or vegetarianism. I do have objection to those that are holier than thou.0
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