Macronutrients: High fat, mid protein diet?

Verity1111
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Is this unhealthy? I get my fats from eggs, avocado, beans, cheese, and I don't know what else right now but mainly those....well my diet before usually ends up 45-60% fat. Maybe even as high as 65%! Protein can get around 25-30 if I try but usually on its own 15% if I don't focus on it. Carbs and fats switch places. I'm a vegetarian. I just want to know is this unhealthy to your knowledge? If my diet is 25% protein, 50% fat, and 25% carbs, am I likely to get sick or anything, to your knowledge? lol. I've heard of high carbs and high protein, but not much about high fat diets. Thank you for any info.
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As long as you're getting enough nutrients from vegies/fruit, no... Even then, there's perfectly healthy people eating less carbs. Fats are fantastic for good health. Get a variety of good Fats - avo, nuts and seeds, coconut oil, olive oils, butter, flax/Chia, eggs, full fat dairy... Beans are more carb/protein sources though...0
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livingleanlivingclean wrote: »As long as you're getting enough nutrients from vegies/fruit, no... Even then, there's perfectly healthy people eating less carbs. Fats are fantastic for good health. Get a variety of good Fats - avo, nuts and seeds, coconut oil, olive oils, butter, flax/Chia, eggs, full fat dairy... Beans are more carb/protein sources though...0
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Verity1111 wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »As long as you're getting enough nutrients from vegies/fruit, no... Even then, there's perfectly healthy people eating less carbs. Fats are fantastic for good health. Get a variety of good Fats - avo, nuts and seeds, coconut oil, olive oils, butter, flax/Chia, eggs, full fat dairy... Beans are more carb/protein sources though...
Margarine is about as crap as it gets. Saturated fats aren't bad. Eat butter.0 -
livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Verity1111 wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »As long as you're getting enough nutrients from vegies/fruit, no... Even then, there's perfectly healthy people eating less carbs. Fats are fantastic for good health. Get a variety of good Fats - avo, nuts and seeds, coconut oil, olive oils, butter, flax/Chia, eggs, full fat dairy... Beans are more carb/protein sources though...
Margarine is about as crap as it gets. Saturated fats aren't bad. Eat butter.
Okay. Lol. Could you help me with the why? My nutrition class told me the opposite lol0 -
Because for ever, saturated fats have been touted as evil and the cause for many risk factors that lead to the development of lifestyle diseases. They aren't. I don't have access right now, but there is plenty of research and change of thought in regards to saturated fats.0
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livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Because for ever, saturated fats have been touted as evil and the cause for many risk factors that lead to the development of lifestyle diseases. They aren't. I don't have access right now, but there is plenty of research and change of thought in regards to saturated fats.
I definitely need to look into that. I had read that margarine was worse because it was difficult for us to digest it because it is less natural...then I took a nutrition class 3 times and they said that butter was worse because of the saturated fat. Now I'm confused lol maybe I will just use whatever is in the house... I have both so it doesn't really matter0 -
He there! I read most of your comments and I would like to say that saturated fats aren't really good for your body although some sources are claiming this is not true anymore. But when you look on the backside of a product to check whats inside, look for the the amount of UNsaturated fat in proportion to saturated fat. Unsaturated fats are by far the healtiest ones! For as why it saturates fats aren't that good for your body and unsaturated fats are good is because of the structure of the triglycerides (fatty acids). They both have three tails whereas in saturated fats these tails are straight lined which makes them stick together and this makes is harder for the human body to break it down. There is also a difference between natural and unnatural saturated fats.
And for the margarine there are a lot of sources saying it is really bad for you. I dont know if it fits in your diet but I use coconut butter(oil) for baking and sorts. Although this product mainly holds saturated fats (but completely natural), Its the healthiest replacement for butter and margarine.0 -
Ratios and percentages are NOT an accurate guideline to go by.
Just because MFP only allows users to adjust them that way does NOT mean that you shouldn't look deeper into the actual gram values.
45/25/30
30/30/35
25/35/40
....
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They are all MEANINGLESS when it comes to proper nutrition.0 -
Verity1111 wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Verity1111 wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »As long as you're getting enough nutrients from vegies/fruit, no... Even then, there's perfectly healthy people eating less carbs. Fats are fantastic for good health. Get a variety of good Fats - avo, nuts and seeds, coconut oil, olive oils, butter, flax/Chia, eggs, full fat dairy... Beans are more carb/protein sources though...
Margarine is about as crap as it gets. Saturated fats aren't bad. Eat butter.
Okay. Lol. Could you help me with the why? My nutrition class told me the opposite lol
In general, I would trust a nutrition class (assuming it is a real class, taught by someone who has knowledge on the issue, not e.g. some seminar by a trainer or something) over the advice of total strangers. And you can always google it and look for the research on the topic.
In general, you should avoid completely trans fat and also avoid saturated fat. So, if you eat lots of butter daily, then no, thsiis not good for you.
There is a lot of info here:
http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/GettingHealthy/NutritionCenter/HealthyEating/Saturated-Fats_UCM_301110_Article.jsp
http://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/everyone/basics/fat/saturatedfat.html
and here:
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/fat/art-20045550
Also according to most drs, your total fat intake is about double what is considered healthy"
http://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/everyone/basics/fat/index.html?s_cid=tw_ob294
http://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/healthy_living/getting_fit/hic_Maintaining_a_Healthy_Weight/hic_Reducing_Fat_Intake
http://www.who.int/nutrition/topics/FFA_summary_rec_conclusion.pdf0 -
Verity1111 wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Because for ever, saturated fats have been touted as evil and the cause for many risk factors that lead to the development of lifestyle diseases. They aren't. I don't have access right now, but there is plenty of research and change of thought in regards to saturated fats.
I definitely need to look into that. I had read that margarine was worse because it was difficult for us to digest it because it is less natural...then I took a nutrition class 3 times and they said that butter was worse because of the saturated fat. Now I'm confused lol maybe I will just use whatever is in the house... I have both so it doesn't really matter
Eat the butter. Scientists and the government have changed their minds and said that saturated fats are o.k.
Margarine is gross.0 -
Verity1111 wrote: »Is this unhealthy? I get my fats from eggs, avocado, beans, cheese, and I don't know what else right now but mainly those....well my diet before usually ends up 45-60% fat. Maybe even as high as 65%! Protein can get around 25-30 if I try but usually on its own 15% if I don't focus on it. Carbs and fats switch places. I'm a vegetarian. I just want to know is this unhealthy to your knowledge? If my diet is 25% protein, 50% fat, and 25% carbs, am I likely to get sick or anything, to your knowledge? lol. I've heard of high carbs and high protein, but not much about high fat diets. Thank you for any info.
There are lots of ways to do the percents that are o.k. as long as you are eating an adequate amount of protein.
How many grams of protein are you eating?0 -
Verity1111 wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Verity1111 wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »As long as you're getting enough nutrients from vegies/fruit, no... Even then, there's perfectly healthy people eating less carbs. Fats are fantastic for good health. Get a variety of good Fats - avo, nuts and seeds, coconut oil, olive oils, butter, flax/Chia, eggs, full fat dairy... Beans are more carb/protein sources though...
Margarine is about as crap as it gets. Saturated fats aren't bad. Eat butter.
Okay. Lol. Could you help me with the why? My nutrition class told me the opposite lol
In general, I would trust a nutrition class (assuming it is a real class, taught by someone who has knowledge on the issue, not e.g. some seminar by a trainer or something) over the advice of total strangers. And you can always google it and look for the research on the topic.
In general, you should avoid completely trans fat and also avoid saturated fat. So, if you eat lots of butter daily, then no, thsiis not good for you.
There is a lot of info here:
http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/GettingHealthy/NutritionCenter/HealthyEating/Saturated-Fats_UCM_301110_Article.jsp
http://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/everyone/basics/fat/saturatedfat.html
and here:
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/fat/art-20045550
Also according to most drs, your total fat intake is about double what is considered healthy"
http://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/everyone/basics/fat/index.html?s_cid=tw_ob294
http://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/healthy_living/getting_fit/hic_Maintaining_a_Healthy_Weight/hic_Reducing_Fat_Intake
http://www.who.int/nutrition/topics/FFA_summary_rec_conclusion.pdf
Haha... I'm studying to be a dietician and wouldn't trust the food guidelines as far as I could throw them.0 -
Verity1111 wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Verity1111 wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »As long as you're getting enough nutrients from vegies/fruit, no... Even then, there's perfectly healthy people eating less carbs. Fats are fantastic for good health. Get a variety of good Fats - avo, nuts and seeds, coconut oil, olive oils, butter, flax/Chia, eggs, full fat dairy... Beans are more carb/protein sources though...
Margarine is about as crap as it gets. Saturated fats aren't bad. Eat butter.
Okay. Lol. Could you help me with the why? My nutrition class told me the opposite lol
43% of margarine is just water, anyways. Its kind of annoying when cooking, in my opinion, because it separates out during heating.
I don't like watery food.0 -
livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Verity1111 wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Verity1111 wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »As long as you're getting enough nutrients from vegies/fruit, no... Even then, there's perfectly healthy people eating less carbs. Fats are fantastic for good health. Get a variety of good Fats - avo, nuts and seeds, coconut oil, olive oils, butter, flax/Chia, eggs, full fat dairy... Beans are more carb/protein sources though...
Margarine is about as crap as it gets. Saturated fats aren't bad. Eat butter.
Okay. Lol. Could you help me with the why? My nutrition class told me the opposite lol
In general, I would trust a nutrition class (assuming it is a real class, taught by someone who has knowledge on the issue, not e.g. some seminar by a trainer or something) over the advice of total strangers. And you can always google it and look for the research on the topic.
In general, you should avoid completely trans fat and also avoid saturated fat. So, if you eat lots of butter daily, then no, thsiis not good for you.
There is a lot of info here:
http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/GettingHealthy/NutritionCenter/HealthyEating/Saturated-Fats_UCM_301110_Article.jsp
http://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/everyone/basics/fat/saturatedfat.html
and here:
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/fat/art-20045550
Also according to most drs, your total fat intake is about double what is considered healthy"
http://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/everyone/basics/fat/index.html?s_cid=tw_ob294
http://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/healthy_living/getting_fit/hic_Maintaining_a_Healthy_Weight/hic_Reducing_Fat_Intake
http://www.who.int/nutrition/topics/FFA_summary_rec_conclusion.pdf
Haha... I'm studying to be a dietician and wouldn't trust the food guidelines as far as I could throw them.
So, I wonder how new dieticians get their degree if they have the knowledge to say "its wrong". Do they just have to bite their tongue for 4 years, and just look at the stuff that's right?0 -
He there! I read most of your comments and I would like to say that saturated fats aren't really good for your body although some sources are claiming this is not true anymore. But when you look on the backside of a product to check whats inside, look for the the amount of UNsaturated fat in proportion to saturated fat. Unsaturated fats are by far the healtiest ones! For as why it saturates fats aren't that good for your body and unsaturated fats are good is because of the structure of the triglycerides (fatty acids). They both have three tails whereas in saturated fats these tails are straight lined which makes them stick together and this makes is harder for the human body to break it down. There is also a difference between natural and unnatural saturated fats.
And for the margarine there are a lot of sources saying it is really bad for you. I dont know if it fits in your diet but I use coconut butter(oil) for baking and sorts. Although this product mainly holds saturated fats (but completely natural), Its the healthiest replacement for butter and margarine.That's why the butter comment confused me... I'll have to try cocunut butter. That'd be a new one for me.
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Ratios and percentages are NOT an accurate guideline to go by.
Just because MFP only allows users to adjust them that way does NOT mean that you shouldn't look deeper into the actual gram values.
45/25/30
30/30/35
25/35/40
....
....
They are all MEANINGLESS when it comes to proper nutrition.
That's a relief lol0 -
Verity1111 wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Verity1111 wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »As long as you're getting enough nutrients from vegies/fruit, no... Even then, there's perfectly healthy people eating less carbs. Fats are fantastic for good health. Get a variety of good Fats - avo, nuts and seeds, coconut oil, olive oils, butter, flax/Chia, eggs, full fat dairy... Beans are more carb/protein sources though...
Margarine is about as crap as it gets. Saturated fats aren't bad. Eat butter.
Okay. Lol. Could you help me with the why? My nutrition class told me the opposite lol
In general, I would trust a nutrition class (assuming it is a real class, taught by someone who has knowledge on the issue, not e.g. some seminar by a trainer or something) over the advice of total strangers. And you can always google it and look for the research on the topic.
In general, you should avoid completely trans fat and also avoid saturated fat. So, if you eat lots of butter daily, then no, thsiis not good for you.
There is a lot of info here:
http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/GettingHealthy/NutritionCenter/HealthyEating/Saturated-Fats_UCM_301110_Article.jsp
http://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/everyone/basics/fat/saturatedfat.html
and here:
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/fat/art-20045550
Also according to most drs, your total fat intake is about double what is considered healthy"
http://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/everyone/basics/fat/index.html?s_cid=tw_ob294
http://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/healthy_living/getting_fit/hic_Maintaining_a_Healthy_Weight/hic_Reducing_Fat_Intake
http://www.who.int/nutrition/topics/FFA_summary_rec_conclusion.pdf
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Verity1111 wrote: »Is this unhealthy? I get my fats from eggs, avocado, beans, cheese, and I don't know what else right now but mainly those....well my diet before usually ends up 45-60% fat. Maybe even as high as 65%! Protein can get around 25-30 if I try but usually on its own 15% if I don't focus on it. Carbs and fats switch places. I'm a vegetarian. I just want to know is this unhealthy to your knowledge? If my diet is 25% protein, 50% fat, and 25% carbs, am I likely to get sick or anything, to your knowledge? lol. I've heard of high carbs and high protein, but not much about high fat diets. Thank you for any info.
There are lots of ways to do the percents that are o.k. as long as you are eating an adequate amount of protein.
How many grams of protein are you eating?
I will be eating 90-120g, goal being 115, but it's not easy...so if I can help it. Lately 70 or so but I was on some weird "detox" a friend here had me join lol usually I hover at 85-900 -
RockstarWilson wrote: »Verity1111 wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Verity1111 wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »As long as you're getting enough nutrients from vegies/fruit, no... Even then, there's perfectly healthy people eating less carbs. Fats are fantastic for good health. Get a variety of good Fats - avo, nuts and seeds, coconut oil, olive oils, butter, flax/Chia, eggs, full fat dairy... Beans are more carb/protein sources though...
Margarine is about as crap as it gets. Saturated fats aren't bad. Eat butter.
Okay. Lol. Could you help me with the why? My nutrition class told me the opposite lol
43% of margarine is just water, anyways. Its kind of annoying when cooking, in my opinion, because it separates out during heating.
I don't like watery food.
Hey I think it's delicious lol but to each their own. I love food in general Lol0 -
RockstarWilson wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Verity1111 wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Verity1111 wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »As long as you're getting enough nutrients from vegies/fruit, no... Even then, there's perfectly healthy people eating less carbs. Fats are fantastic for good health. Get a variety of good Fats - avo, nuts and seeds, coconut oil, olive oils, butter, flax/Chia, eggs, full fat dairy... Beans are more carb/protein sources though...
Margarine is about as crap as it gets. Saturated fats aren't bad. Eat butter.
Okay. Lol. Could you help me with the why? My nutrition class told me the opposite lol
In general, I would trust a nutrition class (assuming it is a real class, taught by someone who has knowledge on the issue, not e.g. some seminar by a trainer or something) over the advice of total strangers. And you can always google it and look for the research on the topic.
In general, you should avoid completely trans fat and also avoid saturated fat. So, if you eat lots of butter daily, then no, thsiis not good for you.
There is a lot of info here:
http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/GettingHealthy/NutritionCenter/HealthyEating/Saturated-Fats_UCM_301110_Article.jsp
http://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/everyone/basics/fat/saturatedfat.html
and here:
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/fat/art-20045550
Also according to most drs, your total fat intake is about double what is considered healthy"
http://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/everyone/basics/fat/index.html?s_cid=tw_ob294
http://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/healthy_living/getting_fit/hic_Maintaining_a_Healthy_Weight/hic_Reducing_Fat_Intake
http://www.who.int/nutrition/topics/FFA_summary_rec_conclusion.pdf
Haha... I'm studying to be a dietician and wouldn't trust the food guidelines as far as I could throw them.
So, I wonder how new dieticians get their degree if they have the knowledge to say "its wrong". Do they just have to bite their tongue for 4 years, and just look at the stuff that's right?
Pretty much. I've read about some who try to fight with their professors and bring in papers showing why the federal guidelines are wrong, only to be told it doesn't matter, because the curriculum says they have to be tested on the federal guidelines. Even the professors (or at least some of them) know it's wrong.0 -
RockstarWilson wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Verity1111 wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Verity1111 wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »As long as you're getting enough nutrients from vegies/fruit, no... Even then, there's perfectly healthy people eating less carbs. Fats are fantastic for good health. Get a variety of good Fats - avo, nuts and seeds, coconut oil, olive oils, butter, flax/Chia, eggs, full fat dairy... Beans are more carb/protein sources though...
Margarine is about as crap as it gets. Saturated fats aren't bad. Eat butter.
Okay. Lol. Could you help me with the why? My nutrition class told me the opposite lol
In general, I would trust a nutrition class (assuming it is a real class, taught by someone who has knowledge on the issue, not e.g. some seminar by a trainer or something) over the advice of total strangers. And you can always google it and look for the research on the topic.
In general, you should avoid completely trans fat and also avoid saturated fat. So, if you eat lots of butter daily, then no, thsiis not good for you.
There is a lot of info here:
http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/GettingHealthy/NutritionCenter/HealthyEating/Saturated-Fats_UCM_301110_Article.jsp
http://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/everyone/basics/fat/saturatedfat.html
and here:
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/fat/art-20045550
Also according to most drs, your total fat intake is about double what is considered healthy"
http://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/everyone/basics/fat/index.html?s_cid=tw_ob294
http://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/healthy_living/getting_fit/hic_Maintaining_a_Healthy_Weight/hic_Reducing_Fat_Intake
http://www.who.int/nutrition/topics/FFA_summary_rec_conclusion.pdf
Haha... I'm studying to be a dietician and wouldn't trust the food guidelines as far as I could throw them.
So, I wonder how new dieticians get their degree if they have the knowledge to say "its wrong". Do they just have to bite their tongue for 4 years, and just look at the stuff that's right?
Pretty much. I've read about some who try to fight with their professors and bring in papers showing why the federal guidelines are wrong, only to be told it doesn't matter, because the curriculum says they have to be tested on the federal guidelines. Even the professors (or at least some of them) know it's wrong.
I could see this.0 -
Avoiding saturated fat is a myth. Do you want it to be 100%, no - but avoiding saturated fat is no longer espoused as an end-all-be-all. Fats are essential - trans fats are not.0
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^Last two posters are correct.
Butter and lard are better fats than heavily refined, treated, processed vegetable oils... Especially those containing industrial trans fats.0 -
RockstarWilson wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Verity1111 wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Verity1111 wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »As long as you're getting enough nutrients from vegies/fruit, no... Even then, there's perfectly healthy people eating less carbs. Fats are fantastic for good health. Get a variety of good Fats - avo, nuts and seeds, coconut oil, olive oils, butter, flax/Chia, eggs, full fat dairy... Beans are more carb/protein sources though...
Margarine is about as crap as it gets. Saturated fats aren't bad. Eat butter.
Okay. Lol. Could you help me with the why? My nutrition class told me the opposite lol
In general, I would trust a nutrition class (assuming it is a real class, taught by someone who has knowledge on the issue, not e.g. some seminar by a trainer or something) over the advice of total strangers. And you can always google it and look for the research on the topic.
In general, you should avoid completely trans fat and also avoid saturated fat. So, if you eat lots of butter daily, then no, thsiis not good for you.
There is a lot of info here:
http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/GettingHealthy/NutritionCenter/HealthyEating/Saturated-Fats_UCM_301110_Article.jsp
http://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/everyone/basics/fat/saturatedfat.html
and here:
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/fat/art-20045550
Also according to most drs, your total fat intake is about double what is considered healthy"
http://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/everyone/basics/fat/index.html?s_cid=tw_ob294
http://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/healthy_living/getting_fit/hic_Maintaining_a_Healthy_Weight/hic_Reducing_Fat_Intake
http://www.who.int/nutrition/topics/FFA_summary_rec_conclusion.pdf
Haha... I'm studying to be a dietician and wouldn't trust the food guidelines as far as I could throw them.
So, I wonder how new dieticians get their degree if they have the knowledge to say "its wrong". Do they just have to bite their tongue for 4 years, and just look at the stuff that's right?
That's the plan, yes.0
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