Opinions on so called 'healthy snacks'
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belleamore1234 wrote: »belleamore1234 wrote: »belleamore1234 wrote: »belleamore1234 wrote: »They are packed with added sugar as on thier own they would be completely unpalatable, that being said if you are logging then you should be able to keep on top of how much sugar you are eating and staying within your macros. If eating this alone tips you over the egde with sugar swap for porridge and fruit for breakfast and ryvita with cream cheese for snacks this will cut down the refined sugar content
so swap one form of sugar with another???
Please just stop.
There is a big difference between natural sugar and refined sugar if you are talking about overall health
oh really? and what would that be?
If person A hits their micros and eats added sugar and Person B hits their micros and eats "natural sugar" then why would person B be healthier than person A as they are both hitting their micro requirements.
I am talking about overall health! Not macro requirements I am talking about whats good for the body, refined white sugar added to foods is not as healthy as naturally produced sugars in fruit and natural carbs if you are attempting to argue with that you must be insane just because two people are hitting the same macro requirements doesn't mean they have the same level of health someone that chooses to hit thier macros eating a snicker isn't going to be as healthy as someone that chooses a natural alternative to get thier sugars on a regular basis
Why not?
Are you seriously asking why artifical ingredient laden foods are not as healthy as natural ones?
Yes. And I'm not asking for your opinion.
Maybe the the concept of asking a question is lost, it usually warrants an answer!
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belleamore1234 wrote: »belleamore1234 wrote: »belleamore1234 wrote: »They are packed with added sugar as on thier own they would be completely unpalatable, that being said if you are logging then you should be able to keep on top of how much sugar you are eating and staying within your macros. If eating this alone tips you over the egde with sugar swap for porridge and fruit for breakfast and ryvita with cream cheese for snacks this will cut down the refined sugar content
so swap one form of sugar with another???
Please just stop.
There is a big difference between natural sugar and refined sugar if you are talking about overall health
oh really? and what would that be?
If person A hits their micros and eats added sugar and Person B hits their micros and eats "natural sugar" then why would person B be healthier than person A as they are both hitting their micro requirements.
I am talking about overall health! Not macro requirements I am talking about whats good for the body, refined white sugar added to foods is not as healthy as naturally produced sugars in fruit and natural carbs if you are attempting to argue with that you must be insane just because two people are hitting the same macro requirements doesn't mean they have the same level of health someone that chooses to hit thier macros eating a snicker isn't going to be as healthy as someone that chooses a natural alternative to get thier sugars on a regular basis
Sugar that comes from sugar cane or sugar beets is no more unnatural than sugar that comes from an apple or from nectar. The only real difference is flavor and the ease of getting the sugar. It is easier to get white sugar because it has been isolated, but that makes no difference as long as you are staying below your calories.0 -
After hitting macro and micro nutrient goals, I think a few discretionary calories on something that tastes good, whatever that is, is perfectly fine. Sugar beets and sugar cane are about as natural as any other type of sugar. Fear-mongering annoys me.0
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TimothyFish wrote: »belleamore1234 wrote: »belleamore1234 wrote: »belleamore1234 wrote: »They are packed with added sugar as on thier own they would be completely unpalatable, that being said if you are logging then you should be able to keep on top of how much sugar you are eating and staying within your macros. If eating this alone tips you over the egde with sugar swap for porridge and fruit for breakfast and ryvita with cream cheese for snacks this will cut down the refined sugar content
so swap one form of sugar with another???
Please just stop.
There is a big difference between natural sugar and refined sugar if you are talking about overall health
oh really? and what would that be?
If person A hits their micros and eats added sugar and Person B hits their micros and eats "natural sugar" then why would person B be healthier than person A as they are both hitting their micro requirements.
I am talking about overall health! Not macro requirements I am talking about whats good for the body, refined white sugar added to foods is not as healthy as naturally produced sugars in fruit and natural carbs if you are attempting to argue with that you must be insane just because two people are hitting the same macro requirements doesn't mean they have the same level of health someone that chooses to hit thier macros eating a snicker isn't going to be as healthy as someone that chooses a natural alternative to get thier sugars on a regular basis
Sugar that comes from sugar cane or sugar beets is no more unnatural than sugar that comes from an apple or from nectar. The only real difference is flavor and the ease of getting the sugar. It is easier to get white sugar because it has been isolated, but that makes no difference as long as you are staying below your calories.
I didn't use the word unnatural I used the word 'refined' refined sugar is an added ingredient to lots of foods I am simply saying why not get your sugars from its source rather than a refined product added to your food to make it sweeter
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Linseed-Cranberry-Almonds is no better for you than say, Apple-with-Peanut Butter, macro or micro wise. The big difference is the profit by the manufacturer. Linseed for the oils/fats (very dense calorie wise, so portion carefully), cranberry for some vitamin C and fiber (not to mention sweetness/carb), Almonds for a little more fat and a little protein.
Again, not that much different than an apple with a little peanut butter.0 -
By "not asking for your opinion" she means "asking for scientific facts."belleamore1234 wrote: »belleamore1234 wrote: »belleamore1234 wrote: »belleamore1234 wrote: »belleamore1234 wrote: »They are packed with added sugar as on thier own they would be completely unpalatable, that being said if you are logging then you should be able to keep on top of how much sugar you are eating and staying within your macros. If eating this alone tips you over the egde with sugar swap for porridge and fruit for breakfast and ryvita with cream cheese for snacks this will cut down the refined sugar content
so swap one form of sugar with another???
Please just stop.
There is a big difference between natural sugar and refined sugar if you are talking about overall health
oh really? and what would that be?
If person A hits their micros and eats added sugar and Person B hits their micros and eats "natural sugar" then why would person B be healthier than person A as they are both hitting their micro requirements.
I am talking about overall health! Not macro requirements I am talking about whats good for the body, refined white sugar added to foods is not as healthy as naturally produced sugars in fruit and natural carbs if you are attempting to argue with that you must be insane just because two people are hitting the same macro requirements doesn't mean they have the same level of health someone that chooses to hit thier macros eating a snicker isn't going to be as healthy as someone that chooses a natural alternative to get thier sugars on a regular basis
Why not?
Are you seriously asking why artifical ingredient laden foods are not as healthy as natural ones?
Yes. And I'm not asking for your opinion.
Maybe the the concept of asking a question is lost, it usually warrants an answer!
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If they help you stay full, fit into your calories and if you are generally eating a varied diet, they are fine. You have to find what works for you.0
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as long as you are staying in your calorie/micro/macro targets for the day they are fine. You need to look at your overall diet and ask yourself the following:
Am I in a calorie deficit?
Am I eating nutrient dense foods and hitting micros?
Am I staying within my macro targets for the day?
If the answer to all three is yes, then continue as you are doing. If the answer to any is No, then assess why and improve on that.
all of this!0 -
SherryTeach wrote: »After hitting macro and micro nutrient goals, I think a few discretionary calories on something that tastes good, whatever that is, is perfectly fine. Sugar beets and sugar cane are about as natural as any other type of sugar. Fear-mongering annoys me.
The refining process of sugar you buy in stores depletes it of all life force, vitamins and minerals it has no nutritional value sugar cane in its natural state before refinement still have nutrional value how sugar starts and how it ends up in your food are two totally different products if you don't know that then i'm at a loss
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belleamore1234 wrote: »belleamore1234 wrote: »belleamore1234 wrote: »belleamore1234 wrote: »They are packed with added sugar as on thier own they would be completely unpalatable, that being said if you are logging then you should be able to keep on top of how much sugar you are eating and staying within your macros. If eating this alone tips you over the egde with sugar swap for porridge and fruit for breakfast and ryvita with cream cheese for snacks this will cut down the refined sugar content
so swap one form of sugar with another???
Please just stop.
There is a big difference between natural sugar and refined sugar if you are talking about overall health
oh really? and what would that be?
If person A hits their micros and eats added sugar and Person B hits their micros and eats "natural sugar" then why would person B be healthier than person A as they are both hitting their micro requirements.
So what you are saying is its ok to miss out on all the vitamins and minerals in fruits and natural carbs and choose added sugar corn syrup laden cereals as long as you hit your macros lol
No. He said if they were hitting all of their macro AND micro nutrient goals.
No he posed the question that they would be equally healthy, I am clearly saying they wouldn't
But if a person is meeting their macro and micro nutrient targets, how is one healthier than the other? And, can you back up your opinion with science?0 -
WTF does that even mean?belleamore1234 wrote: »SherryTeach wrote: »After hitting macro and micro nutrient goals, I think a few discretionary calories on something that tastes good, whatever that is, is perfectly fine. Sugar beets and sugar cane are about as natural as any other type of sugar. Fear-mongering annoys me.
The refining process of sugar you buy in stores depletes it of all life force, vitamins and minerals it has no nutritional value sugar cane in its natural state before refinement still have nutrional value how sugar starts and how it ends up in your food are two totally different products if you don't know that then i'm at a loss
Are you arguing that carbs have no nutritional value?
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DeguelloTex wrote: »
By "not asking for your opinion" she means "asking for scientific facts."belleamore1234 wrote: »belleamore1234 wrote: »belleamore1234 wrote: »belleamore1234 wrote: »belleamore1234 wrote: »They are packed with added sugar as on thier own they would be completely unpalatable, that being said if you are logging then you should be able to keep on top of how much sugar you are eating and staying within your macros. If eating this alone tips you over the egde with sugar swap for porridge and fruit for breakfast and ryvita with cream cheese for snacks this will cut down the refined sugar content
so swap one form of sugar with another???
Please just stop.
There is a big difference between natural sugar and refined sugar if you are talking about overall health
oh really? and what would that be?
If person A hits their micros and eats added sugar and Person B hits their micros and eats "natural sugar" then why would person B be healthier than person A as they are both hitting their micro requirements.
I am talking about overall health! Not macro requirements I am talking about whats good for the body, refined white sugar added to foods is not as healthy as naturally produced sugars in fruit and natural carbs if you are attempting to argue with that you must be insane just because two people are hitting the same macro requirements doesn't mean they have the same level of health someone that chooses to hit thier macros eating a snicker isn't going to be as healthy as someone that chooses a natural alternative to get thier sugars on a regular basis
Why not?
Are you seriously asking why artifical ingredient laden foods are not as healthy as natural ones?
Yes. And I'm not asking for your opinion.
Maybe the the concept of asking a question is lost, it usually warrants an answer!
Refined sugar has no nutritional value, none it has no life force no vitamins and no minerals - sugar cane before it is refined does so if you still want to tell me one is equally as healthy as the other well ..................................
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belleamore1234 wrote: »SherryTeach wrote: »After hitting macro and micro nutrient goals, I think a few discretionary calories on something that tastes good, whatever that is, is perfectly fine. Sugar beets and sugar cane are about as natural as any other type of sugar. Fear-mongering annoys me.
The refining process of sugar you buy in stores depletes it of all life force, vitamins and minerals it has no nutritional value sugar cane in its natural state before refinement still have nutrional value how sugar starts and how it ends up in your food are two totally different products if you don't know that then i'm at a loss
Sugar has calories so saying it has no nutritional value is silly.0 -
DeguelloTex wrote: »
WTF does that even mean?belleamore1234 wrote: »SherryTeach wrote: »After hitting macro and micro nutrient goals, I think a few discretionary calories on something that tastes good, whatever that is, is perfectly fine. Sugar beets and sugar cane are about as natural as any other type of sugar. Fear-mongering annoys me.
The refining process of sugar you buy in stores depletes it of all life force, vitamins and minerals it has no nutritional value sugar cane in its natural state before refinement still have nutrional value how sugar starts and how it ends up in your food are two totally different products if you don't know that then i'm at a loss
Are you arguing that carbs have no nutritional value?
It is evident you were educated in the United States-4 -
isulo_kura wrote: »belleamore1234 wrote: »SherryTeach wrote: »After hitting macro and micro nutrient goals, I think a few discretionary calories on something that tastes good, whatever that is, is perfectly fine. Sugar beets and sugar cane are about as natural as any other type of sugar. Fear-mongering annoys me.
The refining process of sugar you buy in stores depletes it of all life force, vitamins and minerals it has no nutritional value sugar cane in its natural state before refinement still have nutrional value how sugar starts and how it ends up in your food are two totally different products if you don't know that then i'm at a loss
Sugar has calories so saying it has no nutritional value is silly.
Everything that has calories is not necessarily nutritious.0 -
belleamore1234 wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
WTF does that even mean?belleamore1234 wrote: »SherryTeach wrote: »After hitting macro and micro nutrient goals, I think a few discretionary calories on something that tastes good, whatever that is, is perfectly fine. Sugar beets and sugar cane are about as natural as any other type of sugar. Fear-mongering annoys me.
The refining process of sugar you buy in stores depletes it of all life force, vitamins and minerals it has no nutritional value sugar cane in its natural state before refinement still have nutrional value how sugar starts and how it ends up in your food are two totally different products if you don't know that then i'm at a loss
Are you arguing that carbs have no nutritional value?
It is evident you were educated in the United States
And where were you educated that taught you sugar has a "life force"??
And you didn't answer the questions posed to you.0 -
belleamore1234 wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
WTF does that even mean?belleamore1234 wrote: »SherryTeach wrote: »After hitting macro and micro nutrient goals, I think a few discretionary calories on something that tastes good, whatever that is, is perfectly fine. Sugar beets and sugar cane are about as natural as any other type of sugar. Fear-mongering annoys me.
The refining process of sugar you buy in stores depletes it of all life force, vitamins and minerals it has no nutritional value sugar cane in its natural state before refinement still have nutrional value how sugar starts and how it ends up in your food are two totally different products if you don't know that then i'm at a loss
Are you arguing that carbs have no nutritional value?
It is evident you were educated in the United States
so what 'life force' does natural sugar have?0 -
I guess that means you can't answer either question.belleamore1234 wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
WTF does that even mean?belleamore1234 wrote: »SherryTeach wrote: »After hitting macro and micro nutrient goals, I think a few discretionary calories on something that tastes good, whatever that is, is perfectly fine. Sugar beets and sugar cane are about as natural as any other type of sugar. Fear-mongering annoys me.
The refining process of sugar you buy in stores depletes it of all life force, vitamins and minerals it has no nutritional value sugar cane in its natural state before refinement still have nutrional value how sugar starts and how it ends up in your food are two totally different products if you don't know that then i'm at a loss
Are you arguing that carbs have no nutritional value?
It is evident you were educated in the United States
Where, exactly, did you get your education about the "life force" in sugar cane?
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belleamore1234 wrote: »belleamore1234 wrote: »belleamore1234 wrote: »belleamore1234 wrote: »They are packed with added sugar as on thier own they would be completely unpalatable, that being said if you are logging then you should be able to keep on top of how much sugar you are eating and staying within your macros. If eating this alone tips you over the egde with sugar swap for porridge and fruit for breakfast and ryvita with cream cheese for snacks this will cut down the refined sugar content
so swap one form of sugar with another???
Please just stop.
There is a big difference between natural sugar and refined sugar if you are talking about overall health
oh really? and what would that be?
If person A hits their micros and eats added sugar and Person B hits their micros and eats "natural sugar" then why would person B be healthier than person A as they are both hitting their micro requirements.
So what you are saying is its ok to miss out on all the vitamins and minerals in fruits and natural carbs and choose added sugar corn syrup laden cereals as long as you hit your macros lol
No. He said if they were hitting all of their macro AND micro nutrient goals.
No he posed the question that they would be equally healthy, I am clearly saying they wouldn't
He said "if they are hitting their micros" and that includes vitamins, iron etc . So why wouldn't they be equally healthy is a very legitimate question. The only reason I can think of is if there were any harmful chemicals one person is ingesting and the other is not, and I mean harmful chemicals not safe to be eaten, not dihydrogen monoxide by the cupfuls and trace amounts of acetic acid in your salad.
Do you have examples of such harmful chemicals in refined sugar products that are absent from other carb sources? Please share if you do. I am nit being snarky, it would be interesting to read a study from a reputable journal on this topic.0 -
belleamore1234 wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
WTF does that even mean?belleamore1234 wrote: »SherryTeach wrote: »After hitting macro and micro nutrient goals, I think a few discretionary calories on something that tastes good, whatever that is, is perfectly fine. Sugar beets and sugar cane are about as natural as any other type of sugar. Fear-mongering annoys me.
The refining process of sugar you buy in stores depletes it of all life force, vitamins and minerals it has no nutritional value sugar cane in its natural state before refinement still have nutrional value how sugar starts and how it ends up in your food are two totally different products if you don't know that then i'm at a loss
Are you arguing that carbs have no nutritional value?
It is evident you were educated in the United States
What is that supposed to mean?0
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