Extreme Weight Loss and Gaining Muscle
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sarahlifts wrote: »they used a bod pod to measure. she is a former athlete. I found that 7 lb lean body mass questionable, however she is a former athlete off 8 years from any training. Muscle memory maybe, bod pod wrong maybe.
Regardless, I love this show.
I don't watch the show..
what is their training regimen like?
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sarahlifts wrote: »they used a bod pod to measure. she is a former athlete. I found that 7 lb lean body mass questionable, however she is a former athlete off 8 years from any training. Muscle memory maybe, bod pod wrong maybe.
Regardless, I love this show.
I don't watch the show..
what is their training regimen like?
I asked...and about diet, macros etc but no responses...
I don't watch the show either so was curious...90lbs down...7lbs of muscle gain, female, former basketball player, started at 310 I think...doesn't make sense to me.
But I won't totally dismiss some muscle gain as long as the right things were being done..but 7lbs....wow.0 -
sarahlifts wrote: »they used a bod pod to measure. she is a former athlete. I found that 7 lb lean body mass questionable, however she is a former athlete off 8 years from any training. Muscle memory maybe, bod pod wrong maybe.
Regardless, I love this show.
I don't watch the show..
what is their training regimen like?
I asked...and about diet, macros etc but no responses...
I don't watch the show either so was curious...90lbs down...7lbs of muscle gain, female, former basketball player, started at 310 I think...doesn't make sense to me.
But I won't totally dismiss some muscle gain as long as the right things were being done..but 7lbs....wow.
I would think there was a little calorie cycling going on.
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TimothyFish wrote: »isulo_kura wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »On "Extreme Weight Loss" last night, one of the clients lost a tremendous amount of weight in six months, but when consulting with the doctor, it was discovered that she had also added seven pounds of muscle.
Thoughts?
Just because they said it doesn't mean it was true. Did the measure muscle mass before they lost weight and after? If they did How did they measure body composition?.
Yes, it is possible that a doctor who is working for the University of Colorado's Anschutz Health and Wellness Center would go on national television and lie about the results. But generally, I wouldn't expect that because universities tend to fire people for that kind of thing.
You know, people who don't watch the show have no idea who made the claim.0 -
Hi guys im a fan of the show. Basically ive done some research onthis. The diet is carb and calorie cycling through chris powell choose more lose more for life.
on the show to get them to lose faster tho they have them do detoxes and take pills like ones with fat burners taking t2 to 3 kinds of pills. Plus work out 3 hours a day. The women generally cycle between 1200 to 1600 cals and men 1500 to 1800. They also take chris line of weight loss drinks and supps. Which are called vemma bod e. This is to lose their weight so fast. To lose that much that fadt you have to be morbidly obese. Bc it starts to slow down alot after the first 2 to 300 lbs.
and chris does not stay with them the entire 90 days. Other trainers like heidi work with them.
Now for the average person like us we will not lose that fast which is a good thing bc who wants all that skin?
He also has workout vids. Exteme weightloss the workout and bootcamp as well he has a fb a website, youtube exercise vids with him and heidi.
so I have done his diet, and his workouts. They work for me. I have lost 20 lbs. In 3 months.
You can ave to remember it is tv and hyped up for tv. One of chris early successes was the 600lb virgin. He helped him lose 500 lbs in 2 years through natural a slow progress. Its on youtube. Its how he got noticed and invited to create extrem makeover weightloss edition. And now has morphed to extreme weightloss.0 -
sarahlifts wrote: »they used a bod pod to measure. she is a former athlete. I found that 7 lb lean body mass questionable, however she is a former athlete off 8 years from any training. Muscle memory maybe, bod pod wrong maybe.
Regardless, I love this show.
I don't watch the show..
what is their training regimen like?
I asked...and about diet, macros etc but no responses...
I don't watch the show either so was curious...90lbs down...7lbs of muscle gain, female, former basketball player, started at 310 I think...doesn't make sense to me.
But I won't totally dismiss some muscle gain as long as the right things were being done..but 7lbs....wow.
7 pounds in six months would be impressive for a female on a bulk, with strict adherence to macros, and on a structured lifting program, which is why I am doubtful....0 -
It was probably possible. IfTimothyFish wrote: »On "Extreme Weight Loss" last night, one of the clients lost a tremendous amount of weight in six months, but when consulting with the doctor, it was discovered that she had also added seven pounds of muscle.
Thoughts?
Which client was it? The male or the female. I only saw about 5-10 min last night and it was of the female, but she was extremely obese at the start (350lbs ?), and was a returning athlete (was a D1 basketball player). I could see that client like that put 7lbs of muscle on.
in 6 months?
Sure, why not. One of the few people that have been on the show that I would better give the benefit of the doubt due to her background and stats, it makes for good fodder, and I know how crazy far off these measurements can be.0 -
sarahlifts wrote: »they used a bod pod to measure. she is a former athlete. I found that 7 lb lean body mass questionable, however she is a former athlete off 8 years from any training. Muscle memory maybe, bod pod wrong maybe.
Regardless, I love this show.
I don't watch the show..
what is their training regimen like?
I asked...and about diet, macros etc but no responses...
I don't watch the show either so was curious...90lbs down...7lbs of muscle gain, female, former basketball player, started at 310 I think...doesn't make sense to me.
But I won't totally dismiss some muscle gain as long as the right things were being done..but 7lbs....wow.
I doubt you will get any responses because the show does not focus on any of that. My guess would be that Chris Powell (the trainer on the show) had them on his carb cycling plan.0 -
sarahlifts wrote: »they used a bod pod to measure. she is a former athlete. I found that 7 lb lean body mass questionable, however she is a former athlete off 8 years from any training. Muscle memory maybe, bod pod wrong maybe.
Regardless, I love this show.
I don't watch the show..
what is their training regimen like?
I asked...and about diet, macros etc but no responses...
I don't watch the show either so was curious...90lbs down...7lbs of muscle gain, female, former basketball player, started at 310 I think...doesn't make sense to me.
But I won't totally dismiss some muscle gain as long as the right things were being done..but 7lbs....wow.
7 pounds in six months would be impressive for a female on a bulk, with strict adherence to macros, and on a structured lifting program, which is why I am doubtful....
I think for the first 3 months at least, they are at a medical center where they work with trainers daily for hours at a time and are on a pretty strict diet.0 -
sarahlifts wrote: »they used a bod pod to measure. she is a former athlete. I found that 7 lb lean body mass questionable, however she is a former athlete off 8 years from any training. Muscle memory maybe, bod pod wrong maybe.
Regardless, I love this show.
I don't watch the show..
what is their training regimen like?
I asked...and about diet, macros etc but no responses...
I don't watch the show either so was curious...90lbs down...7lbs of muscle gain, female, former basketball player, started at 310 I think...doesn't make sense to me.
But I won't totally dismiss some muscle gain as long as the right things were being done..but 7lbs....wow.
If you're asking me, all I can say is that you have access to all the same information that I do. Nothing wrong with the question, but I've done nothing more than watch the show.0 -
I was food prepping while it was on The training mostly is compound lifts and a bit of cardio. Not sure if they count cals or macros. I like this show better than biggest loser. This show does a full 365. I'm not sure if people maintain afterwards. As a former obese person, weight loss shows inspire me. I know the struggle I've been there. I wish I had a trainer or someone to push me when I didn't want to train.
Again, I find the 7 lb lbm gain doubtful. But it was nice to see them focus on changing body comp, not just trying to become skinny.0 -
sarahlifts wrote: »they used a bod pod to measure. she is a former athlete. I found that 7 lb lean body mass questionable, however she is a former athlete off 8 years from any training. Muscle memory maybe, bod pod wrong maybe.
Regardless, I love this show.
I don't watch the show..
what is their training regimen like?
I asked...and about diet, macros etc but no responses...
I don't watch the show either so was curious...90lbs down...7lbs of muscle gain, female, former basketball player, started at 310 I think...doesn't make sense to me.
But I won't totally dismiss some muscle gain as long as the right things were being done..but 7lbs....wow.
7 pounds in six months would be impressive for a female on a bulk, with strict adherence to macros, and on a structured lifting program, which is why I am doubtful....
I think for the first 3 months at least, they are at a medical center where they work with trainers daily for hours at a time and are on a pretty strict diet.
that would make more sense....
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sarahlifts wrote: »I was food prepping while it was on The training mostly is compound lifts and a bit of cardio. Not sure if they count cals or macros. I like this show better than biggest loser. This show does a full 365. I'm not sure if people maintain afterwards. As a former obese person, weight loss shows inspire me. I know the struggle I've been there. I wish I had a trainer or someone to push me when I didn't want to train.
Again, I find the 7 lb lbm gain doubtful. But it was nice to see them focus on changing body comp, not just trying to become skinny.
I caught the last half of it last night. Both of the participants met their goal at the 6 month mark. They still did their big reveal at the end of the one year mark and both of them had maintained their weight loss ( well they had actually lost a few more pounds).0 -
sarahlifts wrote: »I was food prepping while it was on The training mostly is compound lifts and a bit of cardio. Not sure if they count cals or macros. I like this show better than biggest loser. This show does a full 365. I'm not sure if people maintain afterwards. As a former obese person, weight loss shows inspire me. I know the struggle I've been there. I wish I had a trainer or someone to push me when I didn't want to train.
Again, I find the 7 lb lbm gain doubtful. But it was nice to see them focus on changing body comp, not just trying to become skinny.
I get the impression that the good Dr. Holly is more concerned about body composition than what Chris is. On the first show, he said something about the twins having 17% body fat and not having much they could lose. She was very quick to correct him and tell them that they didn't have any that they should be losing.0 -
I loved how at the end Chris Powell emphasized it was not about being skinny, it was about being fit and strong. I loved that message...her arms looked great!0
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TimothyFish wrote: »isulo_kura wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »On "Extreme Weight Loss" last night, one of the clients lost a tremendous amount of weight in six months, but when consulting with the doctor, it was discovered that she had also added seven pounds of muscle.
Thoughts?
Just because they said it doesn't mean it was true. Did the measure muscle mass before they lost weight and after? If they did How did they measure body composition?.
Yes, it is possible that a doctor who is working for the University of Colorado's Anschutz Health and Wellness Center would go on national television and lie about the results. But generally, I wouldn't expect that because universities tend to fire people for that kind of thing.
According to their web site the use the Bod Pod Test and the Dexa Scan for determining body composition.
http://www.anschutzwellness.com/wellness-services/body-composition
bod pod can be off by percentages..dexa okay but can be off a bit as well...nothing is perfect of course...
But again...the LBM gain...did they say Muscle or LBM...as LBM accounts for all in the body except fat...hydration, organ weight etc.
I can't answer your question...I didn't watch the show. I only googled to find out what specific methods this weight loss center used to measure body composition.
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TimothyFish wrote: »isulo_kura wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »On "Extreme Weight Loss" last night, one of the clients lost a tremendous amount of weight in six months, but when consulting with the doctor, it was discovered that she had also added seven pounds of muscle.
Thoughts?
Just because they said it doesn't mean it was true. Did the measure muscle mass before they lost weight and after? If they did How did they measure body composition?.
Yes, it is possible that a doctor who is working for the University of Colorado's Anschutz Health and Wellness Center would go on national television and lie about the results. But generally, I wouldn't expect that because universities tend to fire people for that kind of thing.
According to their web site the use the Bod Pod Test and the Dexa Scan for determining body composition.
http://www.anschutzwellness.com/wellness-services/body-composition
bod pod can be off by percentages..dexa okay but can be off a bit as well...nothing is perfect of course...
But again...the LBM gain...did they say Muscle or LBM...as LBM accounts for all in the body except fat...hydration, organ weight etc.
I can't answer your question...I didn't watch the show. I only googled to find out what specific methods this weight loss center used to measure body composition.
it was more general to those that watched it really no worries...just the devil is always in the details...which this is lacking.
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sarahlifts wrote: »they used a bod pod to measure. she is a former athlete. I found that 7 lb lean body mass questionable, however she is a former athlete off 8 years from any training. Muscle memory maybe, bod pod wrong maybe.
Regardless, I love this show.
I don't watch the show..
what is their training regimen like?
I asked...and about diet, macros etc but no responses...
I don't watch the show either so was curious...90lbs down...7lbs of muscle gain, female, former basketball player, started at 310 I think...doesn't make sense to me.
But I won't totally dismiss some muscle gain as long as the right things were being done..but 7lbs....wow.
7 pounds in six months would be impressive for a female on a bulk, with strict adherence to macros, and on a structured lifting program, which is why I am doubtful....
I think for the first 3 months at least, they are at a medical center where they work with trainers daily for hours at a time and are on a pretty strict diet.
that would make more sense....
Yeah, from what I remember of the show when I used to have cable, the workouts are fairly intense with weight training and HIIT. It's not just sweating on a treadmill like the Biggest Loser contestants. Then, when they go home for the other 9 months, they are given gym memberships and personal trainers.
I don't doubt that the lady gained some muscle in the 6 months, but 7lbs seems like a bit much.0 -
They call this "newbie gains," right? I never did anything quite *that* remarkable, but I did manage to lose all 30 lb of fat without losing a single ounce of muscle, as measured by the machine at the nutritionist's office. I felt pretty good about that. Sometimes, too, people are genetically gifted.0
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yes this is possible because as an obese individual this persons fat is capable of generating large amounts of calories. which can cover rather larger shortages without impacting the energy available to lean tissue for growth. However fat is like a calorie farm the less you have of it the less calories it can account for in a set period of time. It's not like your body has a set capacity for fat burning it varies with the amount of fat you have. So therefore when you don't have much fat and you go into a deficit your body's lean tissue quickly runs out of available calories ... hence no muscle growth. Whereas someone 300lbs plus can probably generate like 1.5k calories a day just from their fat regardless of what happens diet wise. Meaning that the person could end the day 1.5 - 2k calories down and STILL not starve their lean tissue.
This does not mean being obese is good. But it's a nice little silver lining for those who are trying to fix their obesity. As all the strength training they are doing on the way down will have some measurable results. Especially if they keep their protein intake high.0 -
KombuchaCat wrote: »Let's see how she is in a year when she's gained everything she lost back and then some because this sort of dieting is unsustainable.
She only will gain back if she eat SURPLUS, so same as somebody who lost their weight slowly.
btw i lost 92 pounds in 7 months and i do some light weight training...very light. I seem to get stronger have some muscle definition, and hope to lose muscle as slowly as is possible. So when i am strong enough i can really start to do some lifting.
I think you can slow down the process of losing muscle...but building it up while you are in a deficit...nah dont think so.
Its a tv show...sensation to me...Dont even watch it.
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angelexperiment wrote: »Hi guys im a fan of the show. Basically ive done some research onthis. The diet is carb and calorie cycling through chris powell choose more lose more for life.
on the show to get them to lose faster tho they have them do detoxes and take pills like ones with fat burners taking t2 to 3 kinds of pills. Plus work out 3 hours a day. The women generally cycle between 1200 to 1600 cals and men 1500 to 1800. They also take chris line of weight loss drinks and supps. Which are called vemma bod e. This is to lose their weight so fast. To lose that much that fadt you have to be morbidly obese. Bc it starts to slow down alot after the first 2 to 300 lbs.
and chris does not stay with them the entire 90 days. Other trainers like heidi work with them.
Now for the average person like us we will not lose that fast which is a good thing bc who wants all that skin?
He also has workout vids. Exteme weightloss the workout and bootcamp as well he has a fb a website, youtube exercise vids with him and heidi.
so I have done his diet, and his workouts. They work for me. I have lost 20 lbs. In 3 months.
You can ave to remember it is tv and hyped up for tv. One of chris early successes was the 600lb virgin. He helped him lose 500 lbs in 2 years through natural a slow progress. Its on youtube. Its how he got noticed and invited to create extrem makeover weightloss edition. And now has morphed to extreme weightloss.
All of those detoxes and pills are not needed.0 -
I just watched this episode and wanted to add that the female former D1 athlete started out at 331lbs not 350 that was previously noted.0
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forgivensins wrote: »I just watched this episode and wanted to add that the female former D1 athlete started out at 331lbs not 350 that was previously noted.
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IsaackGMOON wrote: »DemoraFairy wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »How heavy was the person and how many calories did they eat per day?
Sometimes I think these 'Weight loss shows' are completely stupid, they put people on stupidly high deficits and they end up skinny fat or in this case, losing large amounts of muscle.
Didn't he say she'd gained seven pounds of muscle? Which usually is considered impossible if you're in a deficit.
Hahaha
Oh dear
I didn't read what he said properly. My bad.
I'm a bit confused on how they gained 7lb's of muscle whilst in a deficit though... unless its not as black and white as that?
I think that's just it. People say it's impossible. I guess it's notKombuchaCat wrote: »Let's see how she is in a year when she's gained everything she lost back and then some because this sort of dieting is unsustainable.
From what I have read...those that lose weight rapidly are at no more risk of regaining than those of us that lose slowly.
Think so too. No need to put her down.0 -
DemoraFairy wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »How heavy was the person and how many calories did they eat per day?
Sometimes I think these 'Weight loss shows' are completely stupid, they put people on stupidly high deficits and they end up skinny fat or in this case, losing large amounts of muscle.
Didn't he say she'd gained seven pounds of muscle? Which usually is considered impossible if you're in a deficit.
There are a few people who are genetically programmed to build muscle much easier than the rest of us. This is from a bodybuilding site, but it has a nice summary of the research (which I did read a couple of years ago).
https://www.t-nation.com/training/truth-about-bodybuilding-genetics
Hubal MJ, Gordish-Dressman H, Thompson PD, Price TB, Hoffman EP, Angelopoulos TJ, Gordon PM, Moyna NM, Pescatello LS, Visich PS, Zoeller RF, Seip RL, Clarkson PM. Variability in muscle size and strength gain after unilateral resistance training. Med Sci Sports Exerc 37: 964–972, 2005.
Petrella JK, Kim JS, Mayhew DL, Cross JM, Bamman MM. Potent myofiber hypertrophy during resistance training in humans is associated with satellite cell-mediated myonuclear addition: a cluster analysis. J Appl Physiol 104: 1736–1742, 2008.
Bamman MM, Petrella JK, Kim JS, Mayhew DL, Cross JM. Cluster analysis tests the importance of myogenic gene expression during myofiber hypertrophy in humans. J Appl Physiol 102: 2232–2239, 2007.
Timmons JA. Variability in training-induced skeletal muscle adaptation. J Appl Physiol [Epub ahead of print], 2010.0
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