white bread vs wheat bread ??? help
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marcosdt10 wrote: »Does it really matter ????? I love bread but ppl always say that it will get you fat ... Is this true ??? Or as long as your below your calories ? Thank you
It's really personal. No, white bread in itself won't get you fat. Excessive calories will. But if you have to reduce calories, you have to reduce it from SOMETHING(s). So that's where it gets personal: only you can decide "what's worth it". I realized years ago that I actually don't "love" bread or sandwiches. So I stopped making them for lunch and traded them for salads with some protein. I really enjoy this more and they turn out to have way more volume for less calories. But if I loved bread and sandwiches? I would have found a way to work them into my calories.
Every day, every meal, you'll be faced with a choice. Steak or chicken tonight? Well, the chicken has less calories. But if you LOVE steak, you can eat a smaller portion of steak. If you find steak and chicken to be almost the same to you (or steak is only just a smidge tastier to you), then you might as well go for the lower calorie chicken.
I think it's called a cost "differential". How much is the white bread worth it to you? If you love it, then it's worth a lot to you personally and you should cut back elsewhere. For me, it's just "eh" so it definitely isn't worth it.
Good luck!
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and this is why you will not lose fat...I really think we put too much emphasis on being in a caloric deficit than eating what is truly good for our bodies. Eating bleached white bread has less nutrients than whole grain would. I myself would skip the bread entirely and opt for some cuccumber slices and an egg but think about it. A handful of almonds and a glass of Pop have the same caloric value but I think it's an obvious statement that the almonds are a better choice. The almonds will give you energy for longer and takes longer to digest. The coke is sugar and will be processed quickly and converted to fat by your liver because there's not much in there for the body to use. Similarly, white bread has been bleached and much of its nutritional value lost. When you eat it, the body converts to sugar and again the liver processes quickly and converts the sugar to fat. At least with the whole grain, you'll get some nutrition from it and it won't be completely empty calories. Calories are not created equally!
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No one is advising this...Yes, a calorie deficit is all that is needed to lose weight, but if I subsist on a diet full of twinkies and honey cakes and keep under 1500 cal or whatever my calorie needs are, I end up a sickly, skinny-fat person who still is in the fast moving queue for a host of diseases such as diabetes, heart disease, cancer, etc etc.
No one is advising this...So its important to realise that while we don't want to cut off ANY type of food completely, we don't want to overdo it with binging either. Too much of a 'good' thing is bad, just as too little of a 'bad' thing is also bad.
If you have met your macro and micros why is wheat bread essentially better?OP, like the posters have said, it doesn't really matter as long as you have a deficit calorie-wise, there's no problem enjoying white bread. But whole wheat bread is definitely better - maybe if you're interested in incorporating it because of its added benefits maybe try a white bread with some whole wheat in it (50/50 blends). Also when choosing wheat breads look for whole wheat breads - some companies use label their breads with 'wheat' or 'wheat flour' but the breads aren't actually whole wheat.
Why?More importantly, be careful of breads with added sugars in its many forms - honey, fructose, corn syrup, glucose, etc etc. I'd prefer to bake my own breads - plenty of no knead breads out there you can chuck in the oven and get freshly baked, clean eating bread.
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I really think we put too much emphasis on being in a caloric deficit than eating what is truly good for our bodies.
Hmm. I really wonder which of the posts prior to yours you think you are responding to here. Who said that eating what is good for our bodies is not important? Or do you imagine that if someone chooses to eat some white bread that that person cannot be eating what is good for his or her body? If so, I think you are confused about how nutrition works.
Also, if someone is overweight or, especially, obese (which, granted, OP does not seem to be) losing weight is the thing to focus on, as it's almost certainly the number one thing you can do through nutrition for your health. (Exercising is usually a really good thing to do too.) The value of these things vastly outweighs the value of dropping bread (which is commonly eaten by healthy people all over the world) or switching from white to whole grain (although some people might find this a small help in losing weight). Therefore, if someone is more able or likely to stick to a weight loss plan when continuing to eat bread or even white bread, why tell them that's bad?Eating bleached white bread has less nutrients than whole grain would.
Sure, although the difference isn't huge and if you are eating plenty of fiber (as many of us do) from other foods, the reason to prefer one over the other is marginal. I like whole grain bread better, given a choice, and find the difference between a good whole grain and white pasta not that significant, depending on the sauce, so at home I tend to go with whole grain (and I almost never eat bread at home anyway, since I don't care about it). However, I don't turn down a good sandwich or pasta dish because it's made with white vs. the whole grain option. The fact is that the nutritional benefits of either of those options depends much more on the other ingredients than white vs. whole grain--the purpose of including the starch in those cases is as a base for the meal, taste, and energy/satiation, not really because they add tons of nutrients. And, contrary to your apparent opinion, there's nothing wrong with that. Many of us can easily include such foods and may need to for the calories (if we are very active) and yet get plenty of nutrients. Never once in my life have I had a choice between broccoli and bread or chicken and bread. Who eats just bread? (Well, in the US today, I mean--not trying to play Marie Antoinette.)I myself would skip the bread entirely and opt for some cuccumber slices and an egg but think about it. A handful of almonds and a glass of Pop have the same caloric value but I think it's an obvious statement that the almonds are a better choice.
In what possible context are people choosing between bread and cucumber slices/egg? I mean, the macros, the micros, the purpose in the meal, the tastes, the availability if one is ordering at a restaurant, etc. have nothing remotely in common. Just bizarre.
And not sure what pop vs. almonds have to do with anything. No one chooses between pop and almonds. Some people (not me) like pop and want to incorporate it into their calories.The almonds will give you energy for longer and takes longer to digest.
This is not always good. Your body can't digest almonds efficiently at all. If I were on a long bike ride and desperately in need of some quick energy, the pop would be better, although I'd not choose either, personally.The coke is sugar and will be processed quickly and converted to fat by your liver because there's not much in there for the body to use.
As others have pointed out, you won't gain fat from the coke unless you are in a calorie surplus. If you are in a calorie surplus, you will gain fat regardless of what you eat, also.
Of course, the almonds have more that your body needs, in all likelihood, than the pop, so are often a better choice nutritionally, but if someone loves pop and wants to fit some in in moderation, that's not going to hurt if the overall diet is nutritionally sound (as of course everyone recommends).Similarly, white bread has been bleached and much of its nutritional value lost. When you eat it, the body converts to sugar and again the liver processes quickly and converts the sugar to fat. At least with the whole grain, you'll get some nutrition from it and it won't be completely empty calories.
Again, you seem to misunderstand how this works.
Also, the main reason for eating bread is for calories/energy and taste. Just because you are focused on keeping your calories low and may find it challenging (or think they need to be as low as possible) doesn't mean that others might not have reason to include quick carbs in their diet or simply have the room.
Personally, like I said, it's not a food I care about, but it seems really odd to claim that saying you can eat bread somehow means you are anti good nutrition.Calories are not created equally!
Do you really not understand what "a calorie is a calorie" means? Nothing you have said means that a calorie is not a calorie, and it has nothing to do with an almond being pop (which no one says) or nutrition at all.
Either you know this and are being intentionally disingenuous for some reason, or you have not managed to understand the 800 prior discussions on this point. Either way, that's sad.0 -
I really think we put too much emphasis on being in a caloric deficit than eating what is truly good for our bodies. Eating bleached white bread has less nutrients than whole grain would. I myself would skip the bread entirely and opt for some cuccumber slices and an egg but think about it. A handful of almonds and a glass of Pop have the same caloric value but I think it's an obvious statement that the almonds are a better choice. The almonds will give you energy for longer and takes longer to digest. The coke is sugar and will be processed quickly and converted to fat by your liver because there's not much in there for the body to use. Similarly, white bread has been bleached and much of its nutritional value lost. When you eat it, the body converts to sugar and again the liver processes quickly and converts the sugar to fat. At least with the whole grain, you'll get some nutrition from it and it won't be completely empty calories. Calories are not created equally!
Hear hear!
We place so much emphasis on the sterile mechanics of weight loss we forget about how health and fitness includes wholesome foods, physical and mental well-being and a balanced diet.
In the context of this discussion, you are making a claim about the posters prior to you (and to the poster you are quoting). Care to say which post your post applies to, because I'm just not seeing any from which I would assume that anyone is forgetting about health and fitness or a balanced diet or the like.
Did someone say "eat no food but white bread, no problem"? Did OP even seem interested in that?
I really don't understand why people make such unfounded accusations. That's why these threads don't go well. It's insulting.0 -
marcosdt10 wrote: »Does it really matter ????? I love bread but ppl always say that it will get you fat ... Is this true ??? Or as long as your below your calories ? Thank you
It's really personal. No, white bread in itself won't get you fat. Excessive calories will. But if you have to reduce calories, you have to reduce it from SOMETHING(s). So that's where it gets personal: only you can decide "what's worth it". I realized years ago that I actually don't "love" bread or sandwiches. So I stopped making them for lunch and traded them for salads with some protein. I really enjoy this more and they turn out to have way more volume for less calories. But if I loved bread and sandwiches? I would have found a way to work them into my calories.
Every day, every meal, you'll be faced with a choice. Steak or chicken tonight? Well, the chicken has less calories. But if you LOVE steak, you can eat a smaller portion of steak. If you find steak and chicken to be almost the same to you (or steak is only just a smidge tastier to you), then you might as well go for the lower calorie chicken.
I think it's called a cost "differential". How much is the white bread worth it to you? If you love it, then it's worth a lot to you personally and you should cut back elsewhere. For me, it's just "eh" so it definitely isn't worth it.
Good luck!
Great post!
(By which I mean I agree, of course. ;-) Up to and including bread being "eh" to me and thus something I often cut back on. Not naan, though--that's usually worth the calories, just not all that often.)0 -
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cwolfman13 wrote: »I'm personally not a fan of white bread...I like hardy, whole grain breads that also have lots of seeds and whatnot.
This is my favorite sandwich bread...
I like the one in the middle the best.
This bread is soo good. I'm obsessed with the Good Seed right now, I love the texture. It's high calorie, I usually just use one piece for an open faced sandwich in the toaster oven. It's filling and delicious.
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Not sure if helpful but I've found wholemeal bread much tastier and filling and it seems to have ore vitamins in. Certainly worth a try but I don't think I could cut it out though. Have reduced it to 2 slices a day and it has helped x0
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and this is why you will not lose fat...I really think we put too much emphasis on being in a caloric deficit than eating what is truly good for our bodies. Eating bleached white bread has less nutrients than whole grain would. I myself would skip the bread entirely and opt for some cuccumber slices and an egg but think about it. A handful of almonds and a glass of Pop have the same caloric value but I think it's an obvious statement that the almonds are a better choice. The almonds will give you energy for longer and takes longer to digest. The coke is sugar and will be processed quickly and converted to fat by your liver because there's not much in there for the body to use. Similarly, white bread has been bleached and much of its nutritional value lost. When you eat it, the body converts to sugar and again the liver processes quickly and converts the sugar to fat. At least with the whole grain, you'll get some nutrition from it and it won't be completely empty calories. Calories are not created equally!
How did you arrive at that conclusion
What are the facts there?
Same exact calories taken in. One is more simple carbs. The other is complex carbs and good fats. Lower glycemic load.
Same calorie deficit
According to almost all bodybuilder in precontest cutting mode that is more shred worthy of a diet
According to general nutrition it is a healthier micronutrient spread.
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sprouted wheat0
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There is also a different App that is a little more geared to nutrient content type of people. Some of the arguing on here on empty sugar based carbs being as good for you as the complex whole grain foods mentioned above are just silly.
Fooducate:
Fooducate is for the nutrition nerds. Search or scan packaged foods and get a complete nutritional break down. Not just how many calories you’re consuming but also amounts of fat, carbs or protein. If you don’t have a barcode for something you can type it into the database and the app will deliver the pros and cons about it so you know just what you’re getting. If you can’t find the food you want you can submit it to the company and it will be analyzed. One of the most useful features of the app is that it can look for certain allergies in food like nuts or gluten and alert you to them.0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »I'm personally not a fan of white bread...I like hardy, whole grain breads that also have lots of seeds and whatnot.
This is my favorite sandwich bread...
I like the one in the middle the best.
This bread is soo good. I'm obsessed with the Good Seed right now, I love the texture. It's high calorie, I usually just use one piece for an open faced sandwich in the toaster oven. It's filling and delicious.
I love an open face grilled salmon sammich
Lettuce on top
Gonna Amazon shop that or Whole Foods!
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Get the best bread you can afford that you also like. I am partial to some of the Brownberry Whole Grains (elsewhere in the country they are sold under the brand name OroWheat) They have a double fiber bread that is hearty and tasty but also soft enough for sandwiches. I am on a tight budget but I can get it at my bread outlet store for as little as $1.25 a loaf instead of the $4 or so at the grocery. 90 calories and 6 grams of fiber without having seeds tick in your teeth.0
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Neither. You need to be eating Amish Ezekiel Flourless Vegan Gluten Free Probiotic 97 Grain Birdseed Flax Oat Organic Nut Bread. Also if there's a label on the bread saying something about high fructose corn syrup take a drink. You win!
Food Babe says that Amish Ezekiel Flourless Vegan Gluten Free Probiotic 97 Grain Birdseed Flax Oat Organic Nut Bread is one molecule away from chemtrail juice. I'd never put that garbage in my body.0 -
A matter of personal preference, basically. Myself, I could eat white or wheat bread, because bread. My husband and kid don't care for wheat, so we buy white bread. I eat anywhere from 1-4 slices per day and I've still managed to make some progress. As long as you're in a deficit, you'll be fine.
Now, can we please stop with the damn Twinkie argument?! No one is advocating for that anyway.
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Bread (fresh from a good bakery or my oven) and beer are the world's most perfect foods--according to my taste buds
Life's too short to limit yourself to celery sticks and lemon water. 0 -
I eat 6 pieces everyday 5 whole wheat saranlee and one slice of naughty white enriched bread and I'm underweight darlin and I could eat six more slices and be underweight but it fills me so well and satisfies me I can't stomach anymore so no it ,won't make you fat just depends on how you're pare the bread like jams jelly peanut butter slathered on butter Nutella get my idea I eat it with iceburg lettuce and baby carrots it is what I enjoy and read how many calories per slice and add it to your calorie goal0
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I say at least go with bread that has more nutrients in it. I usually get some with flax seeds to help with my metabolism. Calorie deficit is how you lose weight, but I also consider being healthy overall and getting the most nutrition from my daily calorie intake0
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As long as you're in a calorie deficit, you'll lose weight. Whether you eat white bread, wheat bread, or no bread.
Again referring to this post, the answer is simple and clear.
However, if you care about that, it's shown that most grains in bread are heavily genetically modified.
I believe this is part of the reason why people generalized bread to be 'unhealthy'.
This is not a problem at all, although many people get discomfort or digestion issues due to this fact, fatigue or energy dips.
One specific grain however, which is spelt, is alot less prone to genetical manipulation.
Add to that, it has more zinc, copper, iron, magnesium and phosphor than wheat bread.
Spelt contains 40% less phytic acid in comparison to wheat bread.
This acid inhibits the absoption of minerals.
As for weight loss, calories are what matters rather than the choice of bread.
As for health, I would advice speltbread.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »I really think we put too much emphasis on being in a caloric deficit than eating what is truly good for our bodies.
Hmm. I really wonder which of the posts prior to yours you think you are responding to here. Who said that eating what is good for our bodies is not important? Or do you imagine that if someone chooses to eat some white bread that that person cannot be eating what is good for his or her body? If so, I think you are confused about how nutrition works.
Also, if someone is overweight or, especially, obese (which, granted, OP does not seem to be) losing weight is the thing to focus on, as it's almost certainly the number one thing you can do through nutrition for your health. (Exercising is usually a really good thing to do too.) The value of these things vastly outweighs the value of dropping bread (which is commonly eaten by healthy people all over the world) or switching from white to whole grain (although some people might find this a small help in losing weight). Therefore, if someone is more able or likely to stick to a weight loss plan when continuing to eat bread or even white bread, why tell them that's bad?Eating bleached white bread has less nutrients than whole grain would.
Sure, although the difference isn't huge and if you are eating plenty of fiber (as many of us do) from other foods, the reason to prefer one over the other is marginal. I like whole grain bread better, given a choice, and find the difference between a good whole grain and white pasta not that significant, depending on the sauce, so at home I tend to go with whole grain (and I almost never eat bread at home anyway, since I don't care about it). However, I don't turn down a good sandwich or pasta dish because it's made with white vs. the whole grain option. The fact is that the nutritional benefits of either of those options depends much more on the other ingredients than white vs. whole grain--the purpose of including the starch in those cases is as a base for the meal, taste, and energy/satiation, not really because they add tons of nutrients. And, contrary to your apparent opinion, there's nothing wrong with that. Many of us can easily include such foods and may need to for the calories (if we are very active) and yet get plenty of nutrients. Never once in my life have I had a choice between broccoli and bread or chicken and bread. Who eats just bread? (Well, in the US today, I mean--not trying to play Marie Antoinette.)I myself would skip the bread entirely and opt for some cuccumber slices and an egg but think about it. A handful of almonds and a glass of Pop have the same caloric value but I think it's an obvious statement that the almonds are a better choice.
In what possible context are people choosing between bread and cucumber slices/egg? I mean, the macros, the micros, the purpose in the meal, the tastes, the availability if one is ordering at a restaurant, etc. have nothing remotely in common. Just bizarre.
And not sure what pop vs. almonds have to do with anything. No one chooses between pop and almonds. Some people (not me) like pop and want to incorporate it into their calories.The almonds will give you energy for longer and takes longer to digest.
This is not always good. Your body can't digest almonds efficiently at all. If I were on a long bike ride and desperately in need of some quick energy, the pop would be better, although I'd not choose either, personally.The coke is sugar and will be processed quickly and converted to fat by your liver because there's not much in there for the body to use.
As others have pointed out, you won't gain fat from the coke unless you are in a calorie surplus. If you are in a calorie surplus, you will gain fat regardless of what you eat, also.
Of course, the almonds have more that your body needs, in all likelihood, than the pop, so are often a better choice nutritionally, but if someone loves pop and wants to fit some in in moderation, that's not going to hurt if the overall diet is nutritionally sound (as of course everyone recommends).Similarly, white bread has been bleached and much of its nutritional value lost. When you eat it, the body converts to sugar and again the liver processes quickly and converts the sugar to fat. At least with the whole grain, you'll get some nutrition from it and it won't be completely empty calories.
Again, you seem to misunderstand how this works.
Also, the main reason for eating bread is for calories/energy and taste. Just because you are focused on keeping your calories low and may find it challenging (or think they need to be as low as possible) doesn't mean that others might not have reason to include quick carbs in their diet or simply have the room.
Personally, like I said, it's not a food I care about, but it seems really odd to claim that saying you can eat bread somehow means you are anti good nutrition.Calories are not created equally!
Do you really not understand what "a calorie is a calorie" means? Nothing you have said means that a calorie is not a calorie, and it has nothing to do with an almond being pop (which no one says) or nutrition at all.
Either you know this and are being intentionally disingenuous for some reason, or you have not managed to understand the 800 prior discussions on this point. Either way, that's sad.
This is an awesome post
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I really think we put too much emphasis on being in a caloric deficit than eating what is truly good for our bodies. Eating bleached white bread has less nutrients than whole grain would. I myself would skip the bread entirely and opt for some cuccumber slices and an egg but think about it. A handful of almonds and a glass of Pop have the same caloric value but I think it's an obvious statement that the almonds are a better choice. The almonds will give you energy for longer and takes longer to digest. The coke is sugar and will be processed quickly and converted to fat by your liver because there's not much in there for the body to use. Similarly, white bread has been bleached and much of its nutritional value lost. When you eat it, the body converts to sugar and again the liver processes quickly and converts the sugar to fat. At least with the whole grain, you'll get some nutrition from it and it won't be completely empty calories. Calories are not created equally!
Your body does not turn it into fat unless you're in a calorie surplus.
U need to ask the guy if his in calorie surplus or not.if his body is holding to much water/fat.an is calorie surplus,to me in his profile pic he looks like he is.then stay away from bread.its not a everyday food for u..it will an can hinder yr results..0 -
U need to ask the guy if his in calorie surplus or not.if his body is holding to much water/fat.an is calorie surplus,to me in his profile pic he looks like he is.then stay away from bread.its not a everyday food for u..it will an can hinder yr results..0
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