Plateau Issue?

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Hi my name is Erick. I started earlier this yes to change my life around and I clocked in at 360 and since then to this date I'm down to 288. I'm healthier and more fit then ever before.

My routine is simple, I work about 30-40 minutes of cardio and anywhere between 20-30 minutes of strength daily. Usually because of my size and the help of my HRM and Garmin Vivo Smart I lose about 900-1300 calories in that time frame.

There has been a big issue and I can't seem to pin point it. I'm just not losing the weight anymore. I've been stuck in this 292-288 weight for almost a month now and I just can't budge. I'm keeping a close eye on my calories, not exceeding more then 1200-1300 per day, I'm putting in the time at the gym.

The one theory is that I'm building muscle, I use to only be able to pull about 90-120lbs on the pull down at the gym and now I'm avg 205-235lbs and leg pressing 390lbs and doing more, including sit-ups etc... I've noticed my arms are toning, my legs are toning, stomach, still flabby but I can feel it firm with a push.

So I could use some help, whats going on? I've read and looked around and I understand so many factors could be occurring, but any assistance. I want to keep losing the weight and think my body is contouring itself before it drops down again?


Thanks in advance :)

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  • loulamb7
    loulamb7 Posts: 801 Member
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    Why are you only eating 1200-1300 calories a day? How tall are you? Are you eating exercise calories back? Are you using a scale to weigh all food solids?

    Also a few points. A HRM is not good for calculating calories burned for weight lifting, it probably off by 2x-3x.

    You are not building muscle only eating 1200-1300 calories a day. Strength gains does not equal added muscles.
  • IsaackGMOON
    IsaackGMOON Posts: 3,358 Member
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    tracon8 wrote: »
    Hi my name is Erick. I started earlier this yes to change my life around and I clocked in at 360 and since then to this date I'm down to 288. I'm healthier and more fit then ever before.

    My routine is simple, I work about 30-40 minutes of cardio and anywhere between 20-30 minutes of strength daily. Usually because of my size and the help of my HRM and Garmin Vivo Smart I lose about 900-1300 calories in that time frame.

    There has been a big issue and I can't seem to pin point it. I'm just not losing the weight anymore. I've been stuck in this 292-288 weight for almost a month now and I just can't budge. I'm keeping a close eye on my calories, not exceeding more then 1200-1300 per day, I'm putting in the time at the gym.

    The one theory is that I'm building muscle, I use to only be able to pull about 90-120lbs on the pull down at the gym and now I'm avg 205-235lbs and leg pressing 390lbs and doing more, including sit-ups etc... I've noticed my arms are toning, my legs are toning, stomach, still flabby but I can feel it firm with a push.

    So I could use some help, whats going on? I've read and looked around and I understand so many factors could be occurring, but any assistance. I want to keep losing the weight and think my body is contouring itself before it drops down again?


    Thanks in advance :)
    1. Are you using your HRM for strength training? They're NOT meant for that; they're meant for steady rate cardiovascular exercise.
    2. OP you're certainly male as it says so on your profile and you look like it in your picture... why the hell are you at 1200-1300 calories?!?! That's the minimum requirements for a female... minimum for a male is 1500. You really need to find your TDEE.
    3. No, you're definitely not building muscle in a caloric deficit. Weight loss requires a caloric deficit, gaining muscle requires a caloric surplus. Your strength may go up, that is very possible in a caloric deficit, but not muscle mass.
  • 999tigger
    999tigger Posts: 5,235 Member
    edited June 2015
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    292-288lbs , eating 1200 and not losing hmmmm. You are eating more than you think. Doesnt add up im afraid. open your diary so others can have a look.
  • fidangul
    fidangul Posts: 673 Member
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    Firstly I think that your goal calorie of 1200-1300 seems a little low. Not eating enough can also minimise weight loss. Also, you may need to change your exercise routine. Try different cardio workouts, or for example add incline to the treadmill and increase the time your on it.same goes for strength exercises. Even better would be to try a different sport activity. Anyhow, it seems as though your body is asking for a change.
  • M30834134
    M30834134 Posts: 411 Member
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    If OP is truly eating 1200-1300 and exercising so much while being 290lb that's a serious problem and most definitely would stall the weight loss.

    You need to eat more.
  • M30834134
    M30834134 Posts: 411 Member
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    I just posted a few helpful tips: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10181297/my-guide-to-successful-weight-loss#latest
    • Educate yourself on BMR - Basal Metabolic Rate and find out what is your number. BMR is the bare minimum your body needs to function. BMR is the energy needed for your heart, brain, kidneys, liver, digestion, breathing, sweating, hair growth, nail growth, etc. etc. If you were to lie down without any movement for 24 hours – your body will burn BMR.

    • Select your daily calories plan that is ABOVE your BMR and DO NOT eat less than your BMR (at least not by a lot and not consistently)!!!!

    • Starvation mode. I’m not sure if the starvation mode is a myth or not but I do know (it happened to me) what happens when you under eat (constantly eat less than your BMR). Our bodies are masters of adaptation. When you supply less than BMR calories to your body, at first, it will tap into the energy reserves – the stored fat. That’s why when you start dieting the pounds fly off in numbers and easy. But, if the shortage of calories is prolonged (more than a couple of weeks), your body will realize that and say “oops, looks like my supply of energy has changed, I must adapt!” and it will ADAPT. Your body will adapt to get by on what it has and it will cut energy to whatever it can – it will slow down hormone production, slow down your liver functions, slow down your kidney functions, etc., AND it WILL SLOW DOWN YOUR METABOLISM! Eventually, any weight loss will become almost impossible. For example, if you only give your body 800 calories per day – your body will bend backwards BUT it will make it work – it will reconfigure itself to run on only 800 calories per day! So, the minute you eat just a tad more – your body will say “hey, some more energy, I better store it”! That is why all who severely restrict themselves to unhealthy (below BMR) calorie allotment immediately gain weight as soon as they try to increase daily calories to their maintenance level. How to avoid this? DO NOT EAT LESS THAN YOUR BMR!

      Eating above your BMR will have less significant impact on the crucial functions but larger impact on all others, such as fat storage.


  • malibu927
    malibu927 Posts: 17,565 Member
    edited June 2015
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    You're not going to build muscle on 1200-1300 calories...the problem, most likely, is that you aren't eating that little (which you shouldn't be anyway). Do you use a food scale and log every single food? Those calorie burns seem fairly high as well...what are you doing to burn that much?
  • tracon8
    tracon8 Posts: 4 Member
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    Okay to kind of help things. I've been at a 1200-1300 to maximize my weight loss. I do supplement with protein in any way usually getting 100-180g of protien in a single day. I try to minimize the carbs and fat as much as possible. I do 2 high intensity sessions on elliptical at 15 min each and hiring a hr of 155-165 and keep it there for the full 15 minutes. I rest for about 5 at a 140-150 rate and then go back for another 15 minutes.

    As for food. I am keeping tabs on what I eat and yes I do scale the food. My clothes sizes are reducing still but the weight seems to stay steady. And for strength as I said earlier what I do.

    I'm 6ft and since 360lbs I've been able to hit the weight with this formula but I have been told that yes my body probably is looking for more nutrient especially with the high intensity I'm doing.
  • loulamb7
    loulamb7 Posts: 801 Member
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    Extreme deficits are not a good idea long term, neither for losing weight nor maintaining the weight loss. Google Adaptive Thermogenesis. This may have worked for a while but it's not sustainable.
  • loulamb7
    loulamb7 Posts: 801 Member
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    Check out this http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/3817-eat-more-2-weigh-less
    They may be able to get you back on track.
  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    edited June 2015
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    I'm female, 5"8 and 140lbs and the only exercise I do is walking.
    I'd be an incredibly hungry mess eating the calories you're on Erick. Not to mention doing intense exercise on top of that... :noway:
  • IsaackGMOON
    IsaackGMOON Posts: 3,358 Member
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    tracon8 wrote: »
    Okay to kind of help things. I've been at a 1200-1300 to maximize my weight loss. I do supplement with protein in any way usually getting 100-180g of protien in a single day. I try to minimize the carbs and fat as much as possible. I do 2 high intensity sessions on elliptical at 15 min each and hiring a hr of 155-165 and keep it there for the full 15 minutes. I rest for about 5 at a 140-150 rate and then go back for another 15 minutes.

    As for food. I am keeping tabs on what I eat and yes I do scale the food. My clothes sizes are reducing still but the weight seems to stay steady. And for strength as I said earlier what I do.

    I'm 6ft and since 360lbs I've been able to hit the weight with this formula but I have been told that yes my body probably is looking for more nutrient especially with the high intensity I'm doing.

    OP... get off of 1200-1300 calories. 1500 is a minimum for males, and even then that is a very aggressive caloric deficit for someone of your size.

    You may be maximising your weight loss, but eating at that amount of calories can have some detrimental effects.
  • 999tigger
    999tigger Posts: 5,235 Member
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    Dude if you are allegedly on 1200 calories and you are a c 300lb man plus you are exercising then you would lose.
  • 20yearsyounger
    20yearsyounger Posts: 1,643 Member
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    You probably should raise your calorie goal to at least 1600 and see what happens.
  • TNoire
    TNoire Posts: 642 Member
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    Another write up I did on my weight loss page I thought could be helpful to our MFP community :)
    Also found in the link I posted above, i figured i post it, might be more helpful then having to swap pages :D

    First things first........

    Are we to blame?

    Some dieters are anxious to blame their plateau on physiological changes, rather than looking first to see if we are causing the plateau. Ask yourself these questions:

    * Have you been watching your calories?
    * Have you been exercising at a high intensity?
    * Have you been exercising regularly? 4-6 days a week, 30-90mins a day?

    If you’re not sure that you can answer these questions in the affirmative, you might want to rethink your current actions before you start blaming the plateau on other things.

    You can start keeping a food journal and writing down your exercise minutes to see if you could work a little harder. Maybe you’ve been eating more fatty foods and you just haven’t realized it. Or maybe it’s time that you try to workout out at a faster pace than you have been.

    A weight loss plateau is going to happen at one point or another, but instead of sitting still and suffering through it; you know what to do to overcome it and continue on the path to your weight loss goals.

    Nothing is more frustrating to us then not losing weight when you expect too. Just when we've started to get the hang of a new lifestyle our body stops responding to the hard work that we are doing. This is generally referred to as a plateau in weight loss; here are some of the classic signs and what we can do.

    * The scale isn’t moving
    * Clothes aren’t getting bigger
    * You’re hungry all the time
    * Exercises aren’t as difficult
    * You’re doing the same things, but not getting any results

    What’s most frustrating about these signs is the fact that it might seem like we are doing everything right. You’re eating what we’re supposed to be eating, working out when we plan to, and even cutting back further than we have to on your chosen diet plan. Question is what’s going on?



    What causes a weight loss plateau?

    We can generally blame Mother Nature for our metabolic frustrations. What happens is that as our body changes, it starts to get ‘used’ to the new weight and wants to settle there. Our body has given us as many results as possible using the current menu and fitness program we’re on.

    The reason why our body does this is to avoid starvation. It senses that it’s not getting as much food as it used to and so it tries to hold onto what we’re giving it. Or it’s getting used to the exercises that we’re doing, so it’s not responding in the same way. Basically, our body is leveling out.



    What can we do?

    But now that we know what a plateau is and what the signs of it can be, we can start to tailor our weight loss routine to prevent or stop a plateau. What we need to do is change up what we’ve already been doing so that our body has to respond. This can include several things:

    * Increase our calorie intake slightly - Zig-Zag, or calorie cycling is the process of varying daily calorie intake, while maintaining the same weekly intake. Instead of consuming (for example) precisely 1800 calories each day - you can mix it up. Eat 1500 calories one day, and 2100 calories the next. This can be as simple as halving then doubling a portion size, or adding a post-workout shake into the plan. Just keep your body guessing.

    * Increase the intensity of our exercise plan - make your body work hard, Are you doing the treadmill for an hour every day? Give it up and enroll in a kickboxing class instead. Doing the stationary bike? Switch to the Stair-master. Or try playing with the intensity of the workout. Add one minute intervals at a high speed or incline (not both) followed by three or four minutes at a lower intensity. If you've been working alone, it may be a good idea to enlist the help of a workout buddy or even pay for a few sessions with a personal trainer. Whenever you change a workout routine your body will respond by dropping fat/weight.

    * Try adding more protein to our diet - not fatty ones lean & healthy meats & nuts, Although it sounds complicated, once again, the idea is to change what you are eating. If (for example) you are eating a moderate diet that is higher in carbs - try eating less carbs and more protein. There is no need to get super-technical over the whole thing. If you have a carbohydrate snack every day at morning tea time - change it to a protein snack. Whatever you are doing consistently - try mixing it up a bit.

    * Drink more water - already drink 8 glasses, drink more! - Thirst is often mistaken for hunger. Every time you feel the urge to snack, drink a glass of water first and see if the urge goes away. Decaf teas, calorie-free drinks, and seltzer water count towards your eight glasses of water a day, but add an extra glass for each cup of coffee you drink, as caffeine dehydrates.

    * Break Up Your Meals - If you are eating three square meals a day - start adding snacks in between (which may mean reducing the portion size of the main meals). Eating often is an old and common style of eating - once again, you are trying to boost your metabolic rate.

    * Rely on a Friend - If you're having a hard time finding the motivation to step up your program, find a like-minded buddy, either real or virtual. Join a support group, find an appropriate chat room, or sign up with a motivational website.

    * Watch Your Carbs - You don't have to go on a low carb diet (in fact, low-carb and exercise don’t mix well), but do watch out for the extra refined carbohydrates that tend to slip into everybody's diet. Be mindful not only of white flour and sugars, but also look for hidden carbs in foods such as ketchup, salad dressings, dairy products, and even soups. Read labels –Many low-fat products, including fruit juices and energy bars, are high in sugars. Avoid carbs at dinnertime, and opt for a larger salad as a side dish. When you do eat carbs, stick to whole grains. Plateaus are sometimes due to water retention. Restricting salt intake and reducing carbs can give you the jumpstart and the motivation to keep going.

    * Pump It Up - A common mistake women make is skipping weights because of the fear they would look "bulky." Truth is, us women lack the testosterone needed to develop large muscles. Done appropriately, weight training can break a plateau faster than any other method. The body's basal metabolic rate increases with increases in muscle mass, which promotes long-term fat loss and helps dieters avoid yo-yo dieting. Moreover, intense workouts elevate the metabolism for several hours following the workout, which also promotes fat loss. If you've never tried weights before, start slow and light, mixing machines and free weights. Weights should be done three times a week, alternating muscle groups.

    * Cut down your alcohol intake - Alcohol is, in fact, very dense in calories. 7kcal/gram compared to only 4 for proteins and carbs, and that's without taking into consideration that many alcoholic drinks (such as cocktails) are high in sugars and fat. Alcohol consumption slows down the fat burning capabilities of the body, as the body focuses on using the alcohol (a toxin) as fuel, rather than burning fat for energy. Alcohol also dehydrates, which, in turn, can make you hungry.


    These simple steps can sometimes recharge our body and put it back into fat-burning, weight-losing mode. A weight loss plateau is something that every dieter will see at one point or another, so don’t feel like we’re not heading in the right direction. Often, a plateau is that sign that we are doing a great job already, but that we need to tweak something.


    I hope this helps :)