Meat eaters vs Vegans whats healthier
AsrarHussain
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Whats Healthier please state reasons and show studies if possible to back your view of point confused I am thinking of trying vegan for a day
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I know morbidly obese vegans, I know slim vegans.
I know morbidly obese carnivores, I know slim carnivores.
The big concerns with eating animal proteins are cholesterol & overall fat, and there is a slightly heightened risk
of colon cancer, most likely because when people eat more meat they eat less fiber.
The big concern with avoiding animal proteins are getting enough protein. Beans are a biggie, also certain
grains have a decent amount.
Doing either for a day, or a week, or a month isn't likely to help or harm you.
Here's where you can search for published scientific studies on any health-related topic.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed
You could also use google to search for a string something like [benefits and risks of veganism and eating meat].
But then you need to be knowledgeable about what sites are good / reliable / believable sources and which are
(to put it nicely) feces.0 -
I became interested in eating a plant based/vegan diet because of the idea that it was healthier (not for ethical reasons). I spent quite a bit of time reading through websites and books from advocates of this way of eating. People like Furhman, Esselstyn etc etc. I decided to try a whole foods, plant based diet for a few months and see how it went. The outcome wasn't what I had expected though. I began losing my hair, my period stopped and I had no noticeable health benefits from this woe. I also didn't lose weight.
I went back to eating everything I liked and the hair loss stopped and my period came back. Just wasn't for me.0 -
Plant based is best for overall health but you have to make sure you get enough of all the different nutrients......to see studies about plant based diet vs disease check out this video from nutritionfacts.org.0
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Thanks for the video. I thinking I have to go raw vegan from the paleo diet I'm currently on.0
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AsrarHussain wrote: »Whats Healthier please state reasons and show studies if possible to back your view of point confused I am thinking of trying vegan for a day
What do you think a day of anything will do? One day wont do or prove anything so I have a feeling you're trolling (considering previous posts by you as well) but I will respond.
I was a 333pound Vegan I'm now a 190 pound Vegan Distance runner which at last visit to the Drs had great bloods.
There are many healthy and fit people who eat meat and animal products.
Removing the ethical arguments (which to me is the main reason for being a Vegan) you can healthy and unhealthy diets with and without meat and animal products.
Just to add this is no concern and a Myth you have to try really hard not to get enough ProteinThe big concern with avoiding animal proteins are getting enough protein0 -
isulo_kura wrote: »AsrarHussain wrote: »Whats Healthier please state reasons and show studies if possible to back your view of point confused I am thinking of trying vegan for a day
What do you think a day of anything will do? One day wont do or prove anything so I have a feeling you're trolling (considering previous posts by you as well) but I will respond.
I was a 333pound Vegan I'm now a 190 pound Vegan Distance runner which at last visit to the Drs had great bloods.
There are many healthy and fit people who eat meat and animal products.
Removing the ethical arguments (which to me is the main reason for being a Vegan) you can healthy and unhealthy diets with and without meat and animal products.
Just to add this is no concern and a Myth you have to try really hard not to get enough ProteinThe big concern with avoiding animal proteins are getting enough protein
I know a day wont make a difference I want to try it for a day and see how it feels
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There is no One-Size-Fits-All way of eating. Cutting out meat can be therapeutic for some, and detrimental to others. There are studies supporting Vegan and Paleo diets. Some say meat results in "all cause mortality" and some say vitamin b12 deficiency is a problem for vegans. People just need to be in touch enough to know if their food is nurturing them in optimal ways or not. I like what the acclaimed food writer, Michael Pollan, has to say: "Eat food, but not too much, and mostly plants." A whole slew of WOEs can fit into those guidelines!0
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the diet that is less restrictive of choices is always healthier. Sure, you have freedom to select the best of what's available, but if your pool of what's available is larger, then logic would say that choosing from the larger pool is better.0
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here we go...0
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TheDevastator wrote: »Thanks for the video. I thinking I have to go raw vegan from the paleo diet I'm currently on.
um. what?
why would you go from one extreme of high meat to no animal products at all?
Does.Not.Compute.
The only reason you would be going vegan is for moral/ethical issues you have about eating animal products and bi products. Otherwise there is no advantage to switching.0 -
Vegan for a day? lol0
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hollydubs85 wrote: »Vegan for a day? lol
sure, I'll sit on the couch and eat oreos all day for a day...for science right?
*yeah, I know you people don't really do that...just a poor attempt at humor of a hypothetical way to accomplish veganism for a day...0 -
AsrarHussain wrote: »Whats Healthier please state reasons and show studies if possible to back your view of point confused I am thinking of trying vegan for a day
Neither.1 -
Vegan versus meat eating is an emotionally-led choice that has very little to do with everyday health. Both diets can be done badly. Also, going vegan for a day won't tell you anything. I've got vegan days every week.
My evidence, dental anthropology.0 -
neither, it depends on the individual to make sure that they are hitting micro/macro/calorie goals...
you can be vegan and obese...you can be a meat eater and be slim/healthy and the opposite is true too.
for me personally a life without meat is not one that I want to live...
and one day of vegan is going to do absolutely nothing.0 -
I could never give up meat.
That is all I have to add to this.0 -
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I am drawing from my experience with my daughter. She was 18 and losing weight, severe stomach problems, so she decided to go vegan. She saw a movie too and decided to do it. She did lots of research.
It worked, she started gaining weight her stomach was better, she started looking healthier. But after about one year and half, stomach issues came back and she wasn't gaining. It wasn't working any more.
Decision to eat meat again was made. Her stomach, not much of a problem, just once in a while. She has to watch milk and certain foods, but she is back to 125lbs. (she was 5'4" and got down to 101, the doctor said anymore weight loss and they would have to do a lot more tests).
Can you be a healthy vegan, yes. Does it work for everyone, No. I tried cutting out meat to be a little healthier and the cravings were not good. I eat a very balanced now, I am lactose intolerant and avoid milk, so that is OK.
Truth is we as humans are Omnivores and can eat both. The key problem with being vegan is that you can run into a vitamin deficiency, one of the B's that is only found in animal protein and kelp or seaweed. Iron and Protein also can be a problem.
On the other hand too much red meat can be bad for you. There are lots of hormones and antibiotics in chicken (although that is being changed in the US).
Another odd by-product of going vegan is the development of new allergies. My daughter developed new allergies and my friend told me her friend had the same problem and it was from going vegan.
In the end, do what works best for you and makes you feel good.
Lastly - Oreos are Vegan0 -
There are healthy vegan diets; there are unhealthy vegan diets.
There are healthy omnivore diets; there are unhealthy omnivore diets.
Vegan vs. Omnivore isn't a "health" dichotomy (well...some people think it is, but in reality it's not) It's usually a morality dichotomy.0 -
That settles it. I'm going vegan!fannyfrost wrote: »
Lastly - Oreos are Vegan
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hollydubs85 wrote: »Vegan for a day? lol
sure, I'll sit on the couch and eat oreos all day for a day...for science right?
*yeah, I know you people don't really do that...just a poor attempt at humor of a hypothetical way to accomplish veganism for a day...
Cant eat oreos contains Milk and chocolate
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IN! for this dumpster fire...well played OP. Well played...0
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I hate to tell you this, but chocolate comes from a plant. And while oreos are often dunked in milk, they don't actually contain any.AsrarHussain wrote: »hollydubs85 wrote: »Vegan for a day? lol
sure, I'll sit on the couch and eat oreos all day for a day...for science right?
*yeah, I know you people don't really do that...just a poor attempt at humor of a hypothetical way to accomplish veganism for a day...
Cant eat oreos contains Milk and chocolate
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Neither are particularly healthy or unhealthy. If you have some moral, ethical, or religious reason, I suggest you follow your heart.
Vegan nor vegetarian has not been proven healthier than being omnivorous. That said, many so called experts say we eat too much meat in the typical SAD. I try to practice moderation.0 -
There's so much black and white thinking on this subject. You don't have to either eat an entire cow a week or just eat lentils and broccoli. There's a whole universe of ways of eating that fall somewhere between these two extremes. As far as health goes, nutrition research really hasn't found one ideal way for everybody to eat. We are omnivores and as such can get our required nutrition in a lot of different ways. Eat food you like, aim to meet your calorie and macro goals.
Fruits and vegetables are good for you and eating them regularly might help prevent a bunch of diseases. You just don't need to eliminate meat/dairy/eggs/honey to see those benefits.
Here's an abstract of a review of a bunch of studies http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000282230000420X
All that said I think it's great if you want to try eating vegan meals for a day or more. It should give you some great ideas on how to fit a variety of veggies into your diet. Having a meatless day or two every week can also make it a lot easier to keep red meat to the recommended amounts.0 -
I hate to tell you this, but chocolate comes from a plant. And while oreos are often dunked in milk, they don't actually contain any.AsrarHussain wrote: »hollydubs85 wrote: »Vegan for a day? lol
sure, I'll sit on the couch and eat oreos all day for a day...for science right?
*yeah, I know you people don't really do that...just a poor attempt at humor of a hypothetical way to accomplish veganism for a day...
Cant eat oreos contains Milk and chocolate
I thought you made chocolate from cow dung...I guess I have been doing it wrong...0 -
ceoverturf wrote: »There are healthy vegan diets; there are unhealthy vegan diets.
There are healthy omnivore diets; there are unhealthy omnivore diets.
Vegan vs. Omnivore isn't a "health" dichotomy (well...some people think it is, but in reality it's not) It's usually a morality dichotomy.
I agree strongly with this post. There are healthful vegan diets, and horrendous ones. Vegan-ism is an ethics based choice.
However, I think a diet high in fruits, vegetables,beans, and whole grains is positive for health. I base that on nothing, just opinion.0
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1DCjwIVJmMw
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