Finally, some sound advice from mainstream press
freeoscar
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/upshot/to-lose-weight-eating-less-is-far-more-important-than-exercising-more.html?rref=upshot
So many inane articles out there, it's refreshing to see something realistic
So many inane articles out there, it's refreshing to see something realistic
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Great article!0
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Very good article!0
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Great article.0
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The derp in the comments balances it out nicely, though.0
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DeguelloTex wrote: »The derp in the comments balances it out nicely, though.
I never read the comments on articles like that anymore. It makes me weep for humanity, and I'd rather go through life blissfully unaware of how stupid my peers really are.0 -
If you really want to weep for humanity, read an article on something with which you are very knowledgeable. Notice how completely blundering, ham-fisted, and wrong the article is. Then, ask yourself why articles on subjects with which you are less familiar should be any less incompetent.Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »The derp in the comments balances it out nicely, though.
I never read the comments on articles like that anymore. It makes me weep for humanity, and I'd rather go through life blissfully unaware of how stupid my peers really are.
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DeguelloTex wrote: »
If you really want to weep for humanity, read an article on something with which you are very knowledgeable. Notice how completely blundering, ham-fisted, and wrong the article is. Then, ask yourself why articles on subjects with which you are less familiar should be any less incompetent.Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »The derp in the comments balances it out nicely, though.
I never read the comments on articles like that anymore. It makes me weep for humanity, and I'd rather go through life blissfully unaware of how stupid my peers really are.
Or an MFP Hello Healthy blog post?
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So true.0
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »The derp in the comments balances it out nicely, though.
I never read the comments on articles like that anymore. It makes me weep for humanity, and I'd rather go through life blissfully unaware of how stupid my peers really are.
I admit...I read online article comments for the lulz
I might possibly be addicted.0 -
Wow, he sums up a lot of thoughts I have about exercise and weight loss very nicely. It's true; The Biggest Loser would be deadly boring if it were just about food. Frankly, there's little I like about The Biggest Loser. It makes the whole weight loss enterprise look so, so, full of drama. It's not drama; it's persistence.
How many threads get started here every day where a newbie dieter signs on at a fitness club, and then asks which exercises work best for weight loss? LOL. I gained weight the weeks I increased my exercise. Temporarily. My gains were in health.0 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
If you really want to weep for humanity, read an article on something with which you are very knowledgeable. Notice how completely blundering, ham-fisted, and wrong the article is. Then, ask yourself why articles on subjects with which you are less familiar should be any less incompetent.Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »The derp in the comments balances it out nicely, though.
I never read the comments on articles like that anymore. It makes me weep for humanity, and I'd rather go through life blissfully unaware of how stupid my peers really are.
Or an MFP Hello Healthy blog post?
Today's is a doozy.0 -
It's true; The Biggest Loser would be deadly boring if it were just about food. Frankly, there's little I like about The Biggest Loser. It makes the whole weight loss enterprise look so, so, full of drama. It's not drama; it's persistence.
The misperceptions caused by the travesty that was (is?) The Biggest Loser really deserve their own thread. Seriously screwed up my thoughts about weight loss. There's an article on cracked.com written by a former contestant. Nothing you see on screen is the truth - nothing. Even the "weekly" in the weekly weigh-ins was false. (Sorry I can't link it directly, but MFP is one of the few sites not blocked by my firewall at work and Cracked is not. I'm sure it would pop up in a google search for "Biggest Loser" + "Cracked.com")
It's unfortunate too because I used to love Julian Michaels' workout videos. Now I feel like I can't trust anything that comes out of her mouth.0 -
saving to share on FB later...sick of watching derp on my news feed too.0
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ManiacalLaugh wrote: »It's unfortunate too because I used to love Julian Michaels' workout videos. Now I feel like I can't trust anything that comes out of her mouth.
Yeah, in one of her videos, she is telling a woman not to get surgery to enlarge her breasts, that exercise would take care of it. Yet, she had breast surgery. She's such a hypocrite - and she always looks like she got a sneer on her face. I can't stand to look at her.
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
If you really want to weep for humanity, read an article on something with which you are very knowledgeable. Notice how completely blundering, ham-fisted, and wrong the article is. Then, ask yourself why articles on subjects with which you are less familiar should be any less incompetent.Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »The derp in the comments balances it out nicely, though.
I never read the comments on articles like that anymore. It makes me weep for humanity, and I'd rather go through life blissfully unaware of how stupid my peers really are.
Or an MFP Hello Healthy blog post?
Today's is a doozy.
SMH more derp on my FB wall..jeez
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Even though he points out that exercise seems to do little good for obesity, some of the articles he references point out that exercise cures pretty much all other diseases under then sun. People get so caught up on what it takes to lose weight they they lose sight of what it takes to be healthy.0
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I am putting this out here for those that think they have to exercise a kazillion(sp) in order to lose weight.
http://health.usnews.com/health-news/blogs/eat-run/2013/09/04/lose-weight-in-your-kitchen-not-your-gym
Looking at real-world studies of exercise and its impact on weight, the results are underwhelming to say the least. Take this 2007 study published in the journal Obesity. Researchers instructed 196 men and women to exercise an hour a day, six days a week, for a year! And researchers weren't just telling people to exercise, they were supervising them and instructing them as well.
Compliance was incredible – only seven study dropouts – and over the course of the year, men averaged 6.16 hours of weekly exercise, and women, 4.9 hours. So did the 320 hours of exercise for the men and the 254 hours for the women lead to weight loss? Yes, but probably less than you might have guessed. Men lost, on average, 3.5 pounds, and women, 2.6. That translates to 91.5 hours of exercise per pound lost.
***Just wanted to note at the end of the article they stated the following...
"But don't forget, if it's health you're after, you need to do both."0 -
TimothyFish wrote: »Even though he points out that exercise seems to do little good for obesity, some of the articles he references point out that exercise cures pretty much all other diseases under then sun. People get so caught up on what it takes to lose weight they they lose sight of what it takes to be healthy.
actually most people aren't losing weight to be healthy...that usually comes later...
Take me for example.
I wanted to lose weight to look better at first...then I realized my cholesterol would go down...then I realized I felt better and started exercising...then I realized if I wanted to exercise the way I wanted I needed to quit smoking...I did that...
so it evolved into a health issue...but started as vanity.0 -
TimothyFish wrote: »Even though he points out that exercise seems to do little good for obesity, some of the articles he references point out that exercise cures pretty much all other diseases under then sun. People get so caught up on what it takes to lose weight they they lose sight of what it takes to be healthy.
actually most people aren't losing weight to be healthy...that usually comes later...
Take me for example.
I wanted to lose weight to look better at first...then I realized my cholesterol would go down...then I realized I felt better and started exercising...then I realized if I wanted to exercise the way I wanted I needed to quit smoking...I did that...
so it evolved into a health issue...but started as vanity.
I suspect you are right, which is why so many people complain about being told they should exercise. But even if all a person is concerned about it vanity, once a person has reached their goal weight, exercise has a significant impact on the ability to keep the weight off. Apparently, even though exercise causes you to want to replace the calories you burned, it doesn't make you want to eat more than the calories you burned.0 -
I have always been a little concerned with the "exercise so I can eat more" mentality. I tried it for a while when I first came to MFP. It didn't take long for me to figure out that I my focus on exercise had changed from "exercise for health" to "exercise so I could eat more". I no longer track my exercise. I just raised my calorie level about 100 calories to cover it so that I would stop associating the two things as one.0
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TimothyFish wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »Even though he points out that exercise seems to do little good for obesity, some of the articles he references point out that exercise cures pretty much all other diseases under then sun. People get so caught up on what it takes to lose weight they they lose sight of what it takes to be healthy.
actually most people aren't losing weight to be healthy...that usually comes later...
Take me for example.
I wanted to lose weight to look better at first...then I realized my cholesterol would go down...then I realized I felt better and started exercising...then I realized if I wanted to exercise the way I wanted I needed to quit smoking...I did that...
so it evolved into a health issue...but started as vanity.
I suspect you are right, which is why so many people complain about being told they should exercise. But even if all a person is concerned about it vanity, once a person has reached their goal weight, exercise has a significant impact on the ability to keep the weight off. Apparently, even though exercise causes you to want to replace the calories you burned, it doesn't make you want to eat more than the calories you burned.
Let's hope not I just started running and I am so hungry all the time even tho I am eating a lot...0 -
I don't think I've ever used exercise as a mechanism to eat more but I certainly see that mentality here all of the time.
When I first started to exercise again it was simply because I realized how sedentary I'd become. I got a pedometer and quickly realized I was walking no more than 1500 steps per day! So I started walking on my breaks which led to walking after dinner at home which led to trying C25K which eventually led to running half marathons. Then I added strength training. Now, I track my exercise mainly so I can see how many miles I've run for training purposes and to judge when I need new shoes. I exercise so I can be fit and strong. I rarely worry about the extra calories one way or the other.0 -
I'm not gonna lie, I'm trying C210K to try to bump up my TDEE so I can eat more.0
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TimothyFish wrote: »Even though he points out that exercise seems to do little good for obesity, some of the articles he references point out that exercise cures pretty much all other diseases under then sun. People get so caught up on what it takes to lose weight they they lose sight of what it takes to be healthy.
Yes. Here's another recent NYT article on some new research about exercise time and benefits.
The Right Dose of Exercise for a Longer Life
well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/04/15/the-right-dose-of-exercise-for-a-longer-life/?WT.mc_id=2015-KWP-AUD_DEV&WT.mc_ev=click&ad-keywords=AUDDEVREMARK&kwp_0=18141&kwp_4=118587&kwp_1=148985&_r=10 -
TimothyFish wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »Even though he points out that exercise seems to do little good for obesity, some of the articles he references point out that exercise cures pretty much all other diseases under then sun. People get so caught up on what it takes to lose weight they they lose sight of what it takes to be healthy.
actually most people aren't losing weight to be healthy...that usually comes later...
Take me for example.
I wanted to lose weight to look better at first...then I realized my cholesterol would go down...then I realized I felt better and started exercising...then I realized if I wanted to exercise the way I wanted I needed to quit smoking...I did that...
so it evolved into a health issue...but started as vanity.
I suspect you are right, which is why so many people complain about being told they should exercise. But even if all a person is concerned about it vanity, once a person has reached their goal weight, exercise has a significant impact on the ability to keep the weight off. Apparently, even though exercise causes you to want to replace the calories you burned, it doesn't make you want to eat more than the calories you burned.
Let's hope not I just started running and I am so hungry all the time even tho I am eating a lot...
Yeah, I have scaled back my running partially because I can't get full when I run fr more than half an hour.0 -
TimothyFish wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »Even though he points out that exercise seems to do little good for obesity, some of the articles he references point out that exercise cures pretty much all other diseases under then sun. People get so caught up on what it takes to lose weight they they lose sight of what it takes to be healthy.
actually most people aren't losing weight to be healthy...that usually comes later...
Take me for example.
I wanted to lose weight to look better at first...then I realized my cholesterol would go down...then I realized I felt better and started exercising...then I realized if I wanted to exercise the way I wanted I needed to quit smoking...I did that...
so it evolved into a health issue...but started as vanity.
I suspect you are right, which is why so many people complain about being told they should exercise. But even if all a person is concerned about it vanity, once a person has reached their goal weight, exercise has a significant impact on the ability to keep the weight off. Apparently, even though exercise causes you to want to replace the calories you burned, it doesn't make you want to eat more than the calories you burned.
I remember starting working out, walking for 30 minutes on the treadmill, then be so hungry I stopped at Burger King on the way home.
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I had to stop reading at "our families favorite show is the biggest loser". Not sure how anyone interested in helping people lose weight/get healthy can condone the practices they have on the show like 800 calorie diets, replacing meals with black coffee, taking caffeine supplements to offset too few calories eaten.0
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I think exercise is SUPER helpful - for mood, health, and yes, weight loss. The problem with the weight loss side is that it is way easy to overestimate your burn and underestimate your intake, and when people are focused on losing through exercise they are compounding this problem. In addition, the general person who is trying to lose through exercise isn't even attempting to track their intake and they think their 1-2 hour workout should be sufficient, but it is incredibly easy to make up those calories (and pretty natural to do so).0
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RedVonMunster wrote: »I had to stop reading at "our families favorite show is the biggest loser". Not sure how anyone interested in helping people lose weight/get healthy can condone the practices they have on the show like 800 calorie diets, replacing meals with black coffee, taking caffeine supplements to offset too few calories eaten.
From what that article I mentioned yesterday said, their diets are laughable. They'll film the contestants drinking milk and eating a balanced portion. The moment the cameras turn off, the producers take that food out of their hands and stick them with some pre-fabricated protein junk that only the show produces (so they're not even eating the balanced portions they just "learned" how to serve themselves). Milk is strictly prohibited. Anything with any sort of healthy macronutrient outside of protein is strictly prohibited.
Injuries and sickness abound on that show.
And their unofficial motto "if you're not throwing up, you're not doing it right..." the biggest pile of bull I have ever heard.
Edit: It's really no surprise to me that a significant portion of the biggest "losers" have gained all their weight back.0 -
This is a terrible article because it ignores the reality that most meta-analyses show nothing (other than gastric bypass) works well for long term weight loss.
It would be incredibly easy to create a meta-analysis demonstrating that "diets" don't work well for weight loss by including a few studies where dietary changes and counseling did not lead to long term weight loss. But what would that prove?0
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