Beyond frustrated! Why am I not losing??
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It has been shown, at least in mice, that an ISOCALORIC high carb or high fat diet increases fat gain (compared to ''normal'' diet), causes obesity (characterised by a low to mild state of chronic inflammation) and is correlated with insulin resistance among others. Yep a '' a calorie is a calorie'', no matter if it comes from carbs, proteins or fat ... Of course it's still a unit of energy ...But don't think that our bodies don't make the difference between the source of this calorie. Don't ignore the metabolic and inflammatory pathways involved, as well as the importance of our intestinal microbiota. Lots of articles on the subject on Pubmed web site among others. Don't expect me to argue on the subject, just a word from someone who has been working in a lab on inflammation and obesity0
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At the risk of incurring the wrath of the hardcore CICO people
I had the same problems when I was super vigilant about staying around 1300 calories and working on regularly without eating calories back. I'd lose a tiny bit but nothing like what pure math showed I should. (And YES, CICO people, I weighed and recorded all my food!). Once I gave myself freedom to increase what I was eating my weight has started dropping. I now eat around 1600-1700 calories depending on how many calories my fitbit shows I burned that day (usually around 2000). Now I'm seeing progress.
so you are the one person in the history of man that defies physics and eats above maintenance calories and loses weight?
More than likely you were not logging accurately.
I plugged the OP's stats into Scoobys, and her TDEE for 3-5 hours of moderate exercise a week is 2094 cals a day. If she is doing 1-3 hours of light exercise, her maintenance is 1857 cals a day. Do you think she is eating more than 1857 a day? Also, since she only wants to lose 20 lbs, maybe the deficit shouldn't be so high? I would go with a 20% deficit, which would yield around 3 lbs a month. Patience and a healthy weight loss is the key.
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if you are talking about TEF =Thematic Effect of Food - it has been shown to increase calorie burn slightly but the overall impact is negligible. Maybe an extra ten to twenty calories a day.
As far as protein, protein is recommended to help one maintain existing muscle mass when in a deficit. If you want to add new muscle you need to run a bulk and eat in a caloric surplus, and when you do that carbohydrate intake is actually more important than protein intake. The only caveat to this would be an untrained beginner who may be able to make some muscle gains in a calorie deficit.
Good to know!
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You are likely not eating enough.0
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orchidee1987 wrote: »It has been shown, at least in mice, that an ISOCALORIC high carb or high fat diet increases fat gain (compared to ''normal'' diet), causes obesity (characterised by a low to mild state of chronic inflammation) and is correlated with insulin resistance among others. Yep a '' a calorie is a calorie'', no matter if it comes from carbs, proteins or fat ... Of course it's still a unit of energy ...But don't think that our bodies don't make the difference between the source of this calorie. Don't ignore the metabolic and inflammatory pathways involved, as well as the importance of our intestinal microbiota. Lots of articles on the subject on Pubmed web site among others. Don't expect me to argue on the subject, just a word from someone who has been working in a lab on inflammation and obesity
mice do not equal humans...
so you are saying that a high carb diet while in a calorie deficit leads to obesity?0 -
dennshah01 wrote: »At the risk of incurring the wrath of the hardcore CICO people I had the same problems when I was super vigilant about staying around 1300 calories and working on regularly without eating calories back. I'd lose a tiny bit but nothing like what pure math showed I should. (And YES, CICO people, I weighed and recorded all my food!). Once I gave myself freedom to increase what I was eating my weight has started dropping. I now eat around 1600-1700 calories depending on how many calories my fitbit shows I burned that day (usually around 2000). Now I'm seeing progress.
so you are the one person in the history of man that defies physics and eats above maintenance calories and loses weight?
More than likely you were not logging accurately.
I plugged the OP's stats into Scoobys, and her TDEE for 3-5 hours of moderate exercise a week is 2094 cals a day. If she is doing 1-3 hours of light exercise, her maintenance is 1857 cals a day. Do you think she is eating more than 1857 a day? Also, since she only wants to lose 20 lbs, maybe the deficit shouldn't be so high? I would go with a 20% deficit, which would yield around 3 lbs a month. Patience and a healthy weight loss is the key.
please re-read who I was replying to.
This reply was to another poster, no to the OP.
Finally, do you really think that if OP TDEE is 1857 that she is not losing weight on 1200. So your recommendation would be to eat more? So adding 587 calories a day is going to result in weight loss? Or is that not what you are saying?0 -
OP...what type of exercises are you doing.
At 1200 calories you should be losing about 1 1/2 lbs per week. If you are not losing (barring a medical condition) then maybe the problem is in the exercise burns.
I am 62...eat mainly close to 1400. I walk and do "light" resistance training. I don't eat any of those calories back because I don't think that I burn enough to worry about...I do those things for health. I lose about 6lbs a month. Maybe try not eating those calories back for a week and see if that makes the scale move.
I will say though...I have gone up to 3 weeks and not seen the scale move...then all of a sudden drop a significant amount of weight in a week.0 -
OP, we have similar stats. I am 55 years old, started at 148 pounds, only needed to lose 15 or so. I began at 1200 calories and IMMEDIATELY began losing 1 pound a week. I exercise 3-4 times a week and eat almost all of those calories back (although I am conservative about estimating the calorie burn). My loss has slowed a bit and has been up and down (i.e. not linear) but always trending down. I've lost 8 pounds so far. So, all I can assume is that there are discrepancies in your weighing/measuring/logging and maybe overestimating your calorie burn. As others have said, you have to be scrupulous about weighing and not take for granted the accuracy of nutritional labels.0
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There could be a medical/hormonal issue. Despite what these others proclaim you don't have to eat at a deficit to lose otherwise Adkins and Paleo wouldn't work for people. I think what you eat does matter as much if not more than how much you eat. A friend of mine, also 50 had the same problem as you. She cut out processed sugar and the weight melted off. I have another friend who went strictly Paleo, ate lots, didn't track calories and lots over 100 lbs. It may be worth talking to a nutritionist.0
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5' 3" sw:170 cw: 150 gw: 128. I concur with whmscll...I have lost 20 pounds eating around 1200 a day and am extremely sedentary (desk job and bonified couch potato). If I go 2 weeks of hovering around a number on the scale, I relook at my measuring, tighten up a bit and start dropping again. It has been slow, but 'slow and steady wins the race'! There is a great video I saw yesterday that shows 2 days of meals that look virtually identical, but one is around 1000 cals more than the other. Maybe someone will post it here because it really demonstrates the importance of accurate measuring 0
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Found it...hope I link it correctly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjKPIcI51lU&list=FLxRg_80KHM-BdcHvV7nkgfg&index=1
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jfatheree78 wrote: »There could be a medical/hormonal issue. Despite what these others proclaim you don't have to eat at a deficit to lose otherwise Adkins and Paleo wouldn't work for people. I think what you eat does matter as much if not more than how much you eat. A friend of mine, also 50 had the same problem as you. She cut out processed sugar and the weight melted off. I have another friend who went strictly Paleo, ate lots, didn't track calories and lots over 100 lbs. It may be worth talking to a nutritionist.
Atkins and Paleo cut out some really high calorie food groups (like...bread, for example). If all a person did was cut out bread and continued eating ALL of the other foods they ate before...they would have reduced calories by the how much was in the bread they used to eat. That is the ONLY reason diets like those work. They are designed to cut calories. If a person on Atkins cut out bread but replaced those calories with cheese? They would not lose weight. Because science.0 -
You CAN eat a lot on a low carb diet because low carb things (like, veggies) have fewer calories. It can FEEL like you are eating more calories because you are eating a larger volume of food, but it's still fewer calories.0
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Found it...hope I link it correctlyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjKPIcI51lU&list=FLxRg_80KHM-BdcHvV7nkgfg&index=1
Awesome video. Thank you. It's so easy to think you know how big of a portion something is but unless you weigh it, you don't know for sure!0 -
So, yes, 1200 calories is 1200 calories no matter what. With that being said you will not see the same kind of results from a so called "empty calorie" (i.e. processed foods high in fats and sugars) as you will from eating foods that are more nutritious.
As for the Beachbody being a scam I'm not sure what this refers to. I've purchased workout programs from them and used said workouts and have seen results.0 -
carlypie84 wrote: »So, yes, 1200 calories is 1200 calories no matter what. With that being said you will not see the same kind of results from a so called "empty calorie" (i.e. processed foods high in fats and sugars) as you will from eating foods that are more nutritious.
As for the Beachbody being a scam I'm not sure what this refers to. I've purchased workout programs from them and used said workouts and have seen results.
Hmmm so person A eats 1200 calories of processed food and is in a 500calorie deficit; person B eats 1200 calories of clean foods and is in a 500 calorie deficit; both have the same macro distribution. Who loses more weight person A, person B, or C) both lose about the same...
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carlypie84 wrote: »What kind of calories are you taking in? Cutting back on calories makes a huge difference but also making sure you're eating a full array of healthy calories of all your food groups can make a huge difference as well. When do you do your workouts? In the morning before you eat is a great time for cardio.
The 21 day fix from Beachbody has a really great and easy to follow workout/diet plan that has helped me more than anything else I've tried.
This is rubbish advice. Not everyone can workout fasted, I for one end up feeling sick, weak and dizzy.
Yes it's great to eat a wide range of food, but in reality if she's eating in a deficit she should be losing weight regardless of food choices.
Beach body = money grabber
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carlypie84 wrote: »So, yes, 1200 calories is 1200 calories no matter what. With that being said you will not see the same kind of results from a so called "empty calorie" (i.e. processed foods high in fats and sugars) as you will from eating foods that are more nutritious.
As for the Beachbody being a scam I'm not sure what this refers to. I've purchased workout programs from them and used said workouts and have seen results.
Google the Twinkies Diet....
BeachBody is not well regarded here due, mostly, the the behaviour of their "coaches" , it's a MLM scheme that tries to suck people into selling their products. As to the quality of their products I can't say as I've never used them.
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