Wrenched Back Deadlifting

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  • whatatime2befit
    whatatime2befit Posts: 625 Member
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    Without a test, i'm not sure how he would know you have a degenerative disc. My DH has two degenerative discs in his back, but he had to see a specialist to get an MRI and diagnosed for it. Unless the chiro has x-ray vision, he can only speculate on the cause.
  • Wookinpanub
    Wookinpanub Posts: 635 Member
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    whatatime2befit wrote: »
    Without a test, i'm not sure how he would know you have a degenerative disc. My DH has two degenerative discs in his back, but he had to see a specialist to get an MRI and diagnosed for it. Unless the chiro has x-ray vision, he can only speculate on the cause.

    He took an xray. But he was spouting off things just by seeing how my hips, legs were aligned and how I was moving.
  • levitateme
    levitateme Posts: 999 Member
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    For any and all people who think their deadlift form is "off" : the bar should be in contact with your legs through the entire lift, basically dragging the bar up your shins. Your feet should be hip width, with the bar right over the middle of your foot. Before you lift, you should press your shoulders back and clench your glutes. You should not start to straighten out your legs until the bar is about to hit your knees.
  • Chief_Rocka
    Chief_Rocka Posts: 4,710 Member
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    Does your chiropractor even lift?
  • Wookinpanub
    Wookinpanub Posts: 635 Member
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    levitateme wrote: »
    For any and all people who think their deadlift form is "off" : the bar should be in contact with your legs through the entire lift, basically dragging the bar up your shins. Your feet should be hip width, with the bar right over the middle of your foot. Before you lift, you should press your shoulders back and clench your glutes. You should not start to straighten out your legs until the bar is about to hit your knees.

    Agreed. SL 5X5 has good info on form. I was really struggling initially b/c my feet were too wide and my legs were getting in the way of my arms which had go wide. Once I corrected my form, I made good gains.

  • Wookinpanub
    Wookinpanub Posts: 635 Member
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    Chief_Rocka wrote: »
    Does your chiropractor even lift?

    No, he said I should do any "pulling" type lifts but pushing are ok.
  • navyrigger46
    navyrigger46 Posts: 1,301 Member
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    Wookinpanub wrote: »
    Chief_Rocka wrote: »
    Does your chiropractor even lift?

    No, he said I should do any "pulling" type lifts but pushing are ok.

    Huh, seems legit. :/

    Rigger

  • whatatime2befit
    whatatime2befit Posts: 625 Member
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    Wookinpanub wrote: »
    whatatime2befit wrote: »
    Without a test, i'm not sure how he would know you have a degenerative disc. My DH has two degenerative discs in his back, but he had to see a specialist to get an MRI and diagnosed for it. Unless the chiro has x-ray vision, he can only speculate on the cause.

    He took an xray. But he was spouting off things just by seeing how my hips, legs were aligned and how I was moving.

    I would still go see your family doctor, or arrange to see a specialist.
  • juliewatkin
    juliewatkin Posts: 764 Member
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    levitateme wrote: »
    For any and all people who think their deadlift form is "off" : the bar should be in contact with your legs through the entire lift, basically dragging the bar up your shins. Your feet should be hip width, with the bar right over the middle of your foot. Before you lift, you should press your shoulders back and clench your glutes. You should not start to straighten out your legs until the bar is about to hit your knees.

    I would be a bit careful about offering emphatic form advice particularly if you're neither an expert nor have you seen a video of the person to whom you're offering advice. My own technique follows none of what you've outlined above as it works for my levers and build and has been developed from years of fine tuning.

    This is more of a caution about out of the box form advice that is expected to be relevant to everyone. It really isn't.
  • nossmf
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    For what it's worth, I've fallen in love with using a trap bar while deadlifting. I've been able to keep my lower back far straighter, making the entire lift far more comfortable.
  • Willbenchforcupcakes
    Willbenchforcupcakes Posts: 4,955 Member
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    juliewatkin wrote: »
    levitateme wrote: »
    For any and all people who think their deadlift form is "off" : the bar should be in contact with your legs through the entire lift, basically dragging the bar up your shins. Your feet should be hip width, with the bar right over the middle of your foot. Before you lift, you should press your shoulders back and clench your glutes. You should not start to straighten out your legs until the bar is about to hit your knees.

    I would be a bit careful about offering emphatic form advice particularly if you're neither an expert nor have you seen a video of the person to whom you're offering advice. My own technique follows none of what you've outlined above as it works for my levers and build and has been developed from years of fine tuning.

    This is more of a caution about out of the box form advice that is expected to be relevant to everyone. It really isn't.

    Agree completely with Julie. I destabilized my SI joints a couple months ago. It's been a slow road healing but it's definitely coming along, although we are not expecting to load up my squat or my dead for at least another month, and not competing in full power until December at the earliest.

    I can look around at my teammates and see everything from the narrowest conventional stance to super wide sumo depending on where form is strongest.
  • juliewatkin
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    Iron_Miss_Canada wrote: »
    juliewatkin wrote: »
    levitateme wrote: »
    For any and all people who think their deadlift form is "off" : the bar should be in contact with your legs through the entire lift, basically dragging the bar up your shins. Your feet should be hip width, with the bar right over the middle of your foot. Before you lift, you should press your shoulders back and clench your glutes. You should not start to straighten out your legs until the bar is about to hit your knees.

    I would be a bit careful about offering emphatic form advice particularly if you're neither an expert nor have you seen a video of the person to whom you're offering advice. My own technique follows none of what you've outlined above as it works for my levers and build and has been developed from years of fine tuning.

    This is more of a caution about out of the box form advice that is expected to be relevant to everyone. It really isn't.

    Agree completely with Julie. I destabilized my SI joints a couple months ago. It's been a slow road healing but it's definitely coming along, although we are not expecting to load up my squat or my dead for at least another month, and not competing in full power until December at the earliest.

    I can look around at my teammates and see everything from the narrowest conventional stance to super wide sumo depending on where form is strongest.

    This was kind of my thought. I pull semi sumo with a hook grip and shoulders rounded down and forward. I wouldn't expect this to work for everyone. It's been my observation that those who are most insistent on a specific way to execute the lift are generally those with less experience or exposure to a broad spectrum of people that lift. I just don't like to see emphatic form advice handed out because it sometimes leads people to tie themselves in knots trying to perfect form that just isn't right for them. It's not that the advice is bad or incorrect, it's that it isn't the only way to do it.

    Sorry to hear about your si joint. What happened? I've been dealing with issues in my right shoulder and my right hip. Mostly my right side *kitten* the bed about six months ago. I've been seeing an ART guy locally (one popular with many Ontario lifters) and things are back on track. Mine is mostly just age related :neutral:
  • peterjens
    peterjens Posts: 235 Member
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    I learned the painful way just like you just last week. After seeing a sports medicine specialist it was suggested I do hinge exercises with body weight (or with light weight) only.
  • Willbenchforcupcakes
    Willbenchforcupcakes Posts: 4,955 Member
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    juliewatkin wrote: »
    Iron_Miss_Canada wrote: »
    juliewatkin wrote: »
    levitateme wrote: »
    For any and all people who think their deadlift form is "off" : the bar should be in contact with your legs through the entire lift, basically dragging the bar up your shins. Your feet should be hip width, with the bar right over the middle of your foot. Before you lift, you should press your shoulders back and clench your glutes. You should not start to straighten out your legs until the bar is about to hit your knees.

    I would be a bit careful about offering emphatic form advice particularly if you're neither an expert nor have you seen a video of the person to whom you're offering advice. My own technique follows none of what you've outlined above as it works for my levers and build and has been developed from years of fine tuning.

    This is more of a caution about out of the box form advice that is expected to be relevant to everyone. It really isn't.

    Agree completely with Julie. I destabilized my SI joints a couple months ago. It's been a slow road healing but it's definitely coming along, although we are not expecting to load up my squat or my dead for at least another month, and not competing in full power until December at the earliest.

    I can look around at my teammates and see everything from the narrowest conventional stance to super wide sumo depending on where form is strongest.

    This was kind of my thought. I pull semi sumo with a hook grip and shoulders rounded down and forward. I wouldn't expect this to work for everyone. It's been my observation that those who are most insistent on a specific way to execute the lift are generally those with less experience or exposure to a broad spectrum of people that lift. I just don't like to see emphatic form advice handed out because it sometimes leads people to tie themselves in knots trying to perfect form that just isn't right for them. It's not that the advice is bad or incorrect, it's that it isn't the only way to do it.

    Sorry to hear about your si joint. What happened? I've been dealing with issues in my right shoulder and my right hip. Mostly my right side *kitten* the bed about six months ago. I've been seeing an ART guy locally (one popular with many Ontario lifters) and things are back on track. Mine is mostly just age related :neutral:

    I agree completely. I look at some of my teammates form and just generally on the platform and mentally think "that just can't work". But when you actually break down bar path it works really well, for that person.

    My SI joints? Was max testing my dead a couple months ago. The day before I had gone to see Chiro for some tool work on my shoulder to deal with some tendinitis that was starting and he readjusted my pelvis to neutral. Didn't think much of it because he does it all the time and it usually goes back to my right side twisted under fairly quickly. I had 160kg to my knees when the right side of my pelvis dropped down. I know there was nothing wrong with my form because I was being watched very closely from a few different angles. What's driving me nuts is that I've never had 160 move that quickly and I know I probably actually had 175-180 in me that day. Grrrr

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