Is it normal not to meet the suggested nutrition needs, eg sodium?

lc355
lc355 Posts: 91 Member
edited November 2024 in Health and Weight Loss
I've been logging for the last week and notice from my reports that I am way under for things like sodium. I am not really dieting as such, more using MFP because it makes me more accountable for my choices ie stops me from having seconds or mindlessly munching through boredom. It makes me think that I've probably been deficient in iron, calcium, sodium etc for years and that maybe for the sake of my long term health this might need addressing. I never add salt to cooking and very rarely to food but am thinking maybe I should.

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  • senecarr
    senecarr Posts: 5,377 Member
    Sodium is one of the few ones you really only worry about being over, not under.
    That said, check the entries you're using. A lot of people just log the calories, fat, carbs, protein, and then leave sodium, calcium, etc. off the entry.
  • lc355
    lc355 Posts: 91 Member
    senecarr wrote: »
    That said, check the entries you're using. A lot of people just log the calories, fat, carbs, protein, and then leave sodium, calcium, etc. off the entry.

    Ah of course, hadn't really considered that. Going to check now and update any that need updating. Thank-you.
  • MamaBirdBoss
    MamaBirdBoss Posts: 1,516 Member
    You don't need to worry about being over or under on sodium unless you have high blood pressure that is affected by sodium. Then you want to stay under.
  • WBB55
    WBB55 Posts: 4,131 Member
    actually, if you truly are under on sodium (unlikely, probably errors in the entries you're using) there's a chance that you're under on iodine. So if you truly aren't getting enough sodium (like, say under 1000 mg per day) consider adding some iodized salt to a couple things. You don't need a lot to get the iodine you need. **It is highly unlikely you're not getting enough sodium and iodine**
  • galprincess
    galprincess Posts: 683 Member
    Things like sodium are based on recommended daily allowance so the maximum. I go over some days in under but not by much so don't worry too much
  • Sued0nim
    Sued0nim Posts: 17,456 Member
    Things that matter in order

    Calories
    Protein and fat as a minimum
    Micronutrients...but MFP database is woefully inaccurate so almost no point tracking on numbers here
    Sodium but only to stay under it

    Things that matter ONLY if you have a medical condition
    Sugar

    I prefer tracking my fibre to sugar so I swapped it out
  • ariamythe
    ariamythe Posts: 130 Member
    *Under* sodium? I'm usually struggling just to not go over *too* much. :)
  • jim180155
    jim180155 Posts: 769 Member
    MFP shows the upper limit for sodium at 2300 milligrams. Most people (Americans) go way over that on a regular basis, not by adding salt to their cooking or dinner plates, but through processed foods. Food manufacturers sell food by making stuff that tastes good and most of us want three things when it comes to taste: sugar, fat, and salt. When food manufacturers cut back on one ingredient, sometimes because it's getting a lot of bad press like fat or sugar, they increase another ingredient to compensate. If you haven't already done so, check the nutrition labels on virtually any processed, packaged food. You'll find most of them are very high in sodium for a single serving.

    Sodium is not bad though. Your body needs about 1500 milligrams daily. Trying to fit a whole day's worth of food in between 1500 and 2300 milligrams is a pretty tight window. The only way I've found to make it work is to eat mostly whole, unprocessed foods. Fruits, vegetables, and meat all have sodium naturally and will get you close to 1500 milligrams. Add a (processed) snack or a little table salt and you've hit your minimum.

    Most days I'm right around 1500 to 2000 milligrams because I eat mostly whole foods. If I go to Chipotle or cook a frozen pizza, I'll probably finish the day around 3500 to 4500 milligrams. One day isn't going to hurt me, but I definitely notice it the following day when I weigh in 2 or 3 pounds heavier with extra water weight.

    Few people pay attention to it, but potassium is another one to keep an eye on. You should be getting about twice as much potassium as sodium. While it can be a struggle trying to keep sodium down, it can also be a challenge getting enough potassium, over 3500 milligrams. Like sodium, most whole foods have some potassium. Potassium isn't listed on most nutrition labels though, so it's hard to tell exactly how much you're getting on a daily basis. About a year ago I switched to a salt substitute, potassium chloride, to both keep my sodium down and my potassium up. It tastes a lot like salt and isn't bad once you get used to it.
  • hartland45
    hartland45 Posts: 53 Member
    Very useful information, thank you. I've been diagnosed with low sodium levels but yet to discover why.
  • jim180155
    jim180155 Posts: 769 Member
    hartland45 wrote: »
    Very useful information, thank you. I've been diagnosed with low sodium levels but yet to discover why.

    Your diary is locked so we're not going to get any clues there. How is your daily or average sodium consumption?
  • lc355
    lc355 Posts: 91 Member
    jim180155 wrote: »

    Sodium is not bad though. Your body needs about 1500 milligrams daily. Trying to fit a whole day's worth of food in between 1500 and 2300 milligrams is a pretty tight window. The only way I've found to make it work is to eat mostly whole, unprocessed foods. Fruits, vegetables, and meat all have sodium naturally and will get you close to 1500 milligrams. Add a (processed) snack or a little table salt and you've hit your minimum.

    Thanks for all the info, my diary is unlocked if you'd be willing to take a peek and offer any tips.
  • jim180155
    jim180155 Posts: 769 Member
    lc355 wrote: »
    jim180155 wrote: »

    Sodium is not bad though. Your body needs about 1500 milligrams daily. Trying to fit a whole day's worth of food in between 1500 and 2300 milligrams is a pretty tight window. The only way I've found to make it work is to eat mostly whole, unprocessed foods. Fruits, vegetables, and meat all have sodium naturally and will get you close to 1500 milligrams. Add a (processed) snack or a little table salt and you've hit your minimum.

    Thanks for all the info, my diary is unlocked if you'd be willing to take a peek and offer any tips.

    LC, my first thought after looking at your diary is that I'm surprised you're still alive. You seem to be getting very little sodium, except with the processed food that you don't seem to eat much of. Looking a little closer I noticed that you're getting some bad info on your entries. Almost all foods contain at least some sodium. Broccoli, for instance, has sodium. Not a lot, but it would add to your daily total. White bread has sodium too. If you're concerned that you're not getting enough, I'd start with the assumption that anything you eat has some sodium, and double check any MFP entries that claim zero sodium since some of the MFP database is incorrect. (The "MFP verified" entries should be good.)

    If that doesn't fix it, you're going to have to take more drastic measures. I know it's going to be painful, but you're just going to have to get more junk food in your diet.

  • lc355
    lc355 Posts: 91 Member
    edited July 2015
    jim180155 wrote: »

    If that doesn't fix it, you're going to have to take more drastic measures. I know it's going to be painful, but you're just going to have to get more junk food in your diet.

    Haha, thanks. When you say junk food, do mean ready meals? I do have them sometimes. And I do eat biscuits from time to time. I could eat more crisps. Or popcorn and put salt on it.

    The reason I'm thinking about it now is that I've probably always had a low salt diet, I'm not doing anything really different. I'm being treated for hypothyroidism (well controlled) and I've suddenly just made the connection between salt, iodine (iodised salt) and how your body needs it to make thyroxine. It just suddenly dawned on me that maybe years and years of certain deficiencies could have contributed to it.
  • jim180155
    jim180155 Posts: 769 Member
    LC, I'm mostly kidding about eating junk food, although not altogether. You seem to be "eating clean." I'm surprised that it results in so little sodium at the end of the day.

    I don't know much about hyperthyroidism, so any comment of mine wouldn't be worth much. You might want to share your sodium levels with your doctor though. I don't know if there's a possible connection there or not.
  • Leslierussell4134
    Leslierussell4134 Posts: 376 Member
    These two little electrolytes are my favorites, sodium and potassium. Currently the NIH suggest 4.7g of potassium daily and to healthy adults without cadiac or kidney history, 2.3g of sodium. I know many people will tell you it doesn't matter how much of each you get, because it won't likely hurt you, well I believe the opposite entirely. If it's just a few days, I'm sure you could be just fine. However, over time it can take a toll on the muscles of you body, especially the cardiac muscles. Sodium and potassium control many channels in our system and without a balanced amount, those channels may or may not open and close in a timely manner. They also have an inverse relationship, whenever one is high, the other will be in excess. So if you have chronic low sodium you may also be hyperkalemic (high potassium), and in turn your cardiac muscle may eventually be affected and vice versa. So to be on the safe side, I honestly try to stick to the recommended amounts of both. Just something to keep in mind.
  • lc355
    lc355 Posts: 91 Member
    jim180155 wrote: »
    You seem to be "eating clean." I'm surprised that it results in so little sodium at the end of the day.

    Am I? Gosh thank-you, always assumed my diet was bad because of the pasta and cheese. Thanks for your comments, I have gone and swapped some of the entries for options with more nutritional information but am now aware that there is probably more hidden salt than I'm seeing.
    These two little electrolytes are my favorites, sodium and potassium. Currently the NIH suggest 4.7g of potassium daily and to healthy adults without cadiac or kidney history, 2.3g of sodium. I know many people will tell you it doesn't matter how much of each you get, because it won't likely hurt you, well I believe the opposite entirely. If it's just a few days, I'm sure you could be just fine. However, over time it can take a toll on the muscles of you body, especially the cardiac muscles. Sodium and potassium control many channels in our system and without a balanced amount, those channels may or may not open and close in a timely manner. They also have an inverse relationship, whenever one is high, the other will be in excess. So if you have chronic low sodium you may also be hyperkalemic (high potassium), and in turn your cardiac muscle may eventually be affected and vice versa. So to be on the safe side, I honestly try to stick to the recommended amounts of both. Just something to keep in mind.

    Yes! I knew they were important and was aware of their role in lots of important functions. Do you have any suggestions for getting them in the right balance?
  • pollypocket1021
    pollypocket1021 Posts: 533 Member
    You don't need to worry about being over or under on sodium unless you have high blood pressure that is affected by sodium. Then you want to stay under.

    ...or hyponatremia...

    In which case you should seek medical treatment and follow your doctor's advice.
  • Psychgrrl
    Psychgrrl Posts: 3,177 Member
    I have a history of high blood pressure in my family, and used to be borderline myself until I lost weight. In conversation with my doctors, I regard the 2300 mg of sodium a day as a ceiling as opposed to a target. The other macros for me are a target. I don't have any issue getting at least 1200+ mg/day.

    During my long weight-lifting workouts (2+ hours) I drink a protein shake with sodium and potassium to replenish.

    Blood work from your doc can determine if you're truly deficient in sodium and in the other areas (Iron, B-Vitamins, D, etc.) and might be a good idea to get done.
  • lc355
    lc355 Posts: 91 Member
    Thanks everyone for your comments. Logically thinking, if I had hyponatremia I would probably have symptoms, the fact that I don't probably means I am getting enough. However, it will be something I consider next time I'm feeling especially tired, achy and headachy.
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 28,052 Member
    edited July 2015
    I don't use iodized salt and normally don't eat processed foods, and was having what I thought were salt cravings until I started supplementing with kelp. What my body wanted was iodine. You and I need 150 mcg per day: http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Iodine-Consumer/
    I take this.
    Iodine deficiency can cause fatigue, and a host of other issues.

    Iron deficiency can also cause fatigue. I'm anemic and get my levels tested yearly. I experimented with several different forms of iron and take this now.
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