Is there any reason dairy shouldn't be my primary source of protein?
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PeachyCarol wrote: »Ignoring the "bodies designed" comment, the statement that there's a theory that we're evolving to be able to digest lactose better is false.
Humans who populated areas where dairy was available ADAPTED to it, and have the enzyme necessary for its digestion.
We're pretty good at that adaptation thing. Arguments based on what we are "meant" to eat or not are silly because of that fact.
People with mild lactose intolerance issues can easily get around them by taking Lactaid.
It's not false. People are studying it.
Lactaid does not work for everyone.
I'm not going to get into a back and forth. If you want to continue to say I'm wrong, I'll leave it be. But I'm not.
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OP-I get most of my protein from dairy, including whey protein powder. I have no bloating issues-just occasionally unpleasant to be around after the protein powder
For some reason dairy is often demonized-not quite sure why. But if it's working for you-go for it.
@slaite1 you don't happen to take whey concentrate ?
I had to swap from concentrate to isolate because of that issue. It was not a pleasant experience for my family, and in the end it started causing arguments, it was that bad
OP I drink a lot of milk, I always have. Never had any issues.
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christinev297 wrote: »OP-I get most of my protein from dairy, including whey protein powder. I have no bloating issues-just occasionally unpleasant to be around after the protein powder For some reason dairy is often demonized-not quite sure why. But if it's working for you-go for it.
@slaite1 you don't happen to take whey concentrate ?
I had to swap from concentrate to isolate because of that issue. It was not a pleasant experience for my family, and in the end it started causing arguments, it was that bad
OP I drink a lot of milk, I always have. Never had any issues.
It's an isolate. It's not that bad-certainly not arguing over it...although I definitely lol'd at the idea!!0 -
If you get bloated from dairy, it means you're not breaking it down with your own lactase enzyme and like Timberlake, your gut bacteria picks up the slack, though it takes sexy away - well outside of some odd circles.
Anyway, there definitely is a genetic element to lactase persistence (the ability to keep producing lactase past infancy). Europeans, particularly northern ones tend to have several lactase persistence genes. Eating more lactose will increase lactase production eventually, and it probably plays the bigger role in lactose tolerance.
Dairy foods do vary in their lactose content - unpasteurized whole milk will be the highest lactose content. Butter, and cheese are relatively low.
Getting pure whey isolate or even more so hydrolyszed whey will mean no real lactose content.0 -
PeachyCarol wrote: »Ignoring the "bodies designed" comment, the statement that there's a theory that we're evolving to be able to digest lactose better is false.
Humans who populated areas where dairy was available ADAPTED to it, and have the enzyme necessary for its digestion.
We're pretty good at that adaptation thing. Arguments based on what we are "meant" to eat or not are silly because of that fact.
People with mild lactose intolerance issues can easily get around them by taking Lactaid.
It's not false. People are studying it.
Lactaid does not work for everyone.
I'm not going to get into a back and forth. If you want to continue to say I'm wrong, I'll leave it be. But I'm not.
Lactose doesn't work for everyone isn't the same thing as 'out bodies aren't designed to handle it' . What an asinine thing to say.
So yes. It is false.
*some* people are Lactose intolerant.
Some people have peanut allergies.
Some people have soy intolerance.
That isn't the same thing as saying out bodies aren't capable of handling it.
Of course they are. If they weren't, millions of cows wouldn't be put through the proverbial ringer to be milked daily. Just because you can't drink milk doesn't mean I'm intolerant to.
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Again...MamaBirdBoss wrote: »UltimateRBF wrote: »PeachyCarol wrote: »Ignoring the "bodies designed" comment, the statement that there's a theory that we're evolving to be able to digest lactose better is false.
Humans who populated areas where dairy was available ADAPTED to it, and have the enzyme necessary for its digestion.
We're pretty good at that adaptation thing. Arguments based on what we are "meant" to eat or not are silly because of that fact.
People with mild lactose intolerance issues can easily get around them by taking Lactaid.
It's not false. People are studying it.
Lactaid does not work for everyone.
I'm not going to get into a back and forth. If you want to continue to say I'm wrong, I'll leave it be. But I'm not.
Where are the studies?
Kalikel is correct about people in some countries. Googling will find much information!
Some studies about about some people=/= everyone.0 -
OP-I get most of my protein from dairy, including whey protein powder. I have no bloating issues-just occasionally unpleasant to be around after the protein powder For some reason dairy is often demonized-not quite sure why. But if it's working for you-go for it.
Thanks! This thread obviously took a little turn..
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I can eat/drink dairy products just fine. But I know a lot of people who have problems similar to the ones stated above. And for most of them they sub cow's milk for goat's milk because goat's milk is lower in whatever it is compared to cow's milk and they can digest it fine.
Also there is a long list of other sources for protein eg: lean meat, nuts and seed, pulses etc.0 -
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I used to skip milk but that stuff is easy on the tummy0 -
I'm also a vegetarian and get a good part, if not most, of my protein from dairy. No issues. I'm currently using a vegan protein powder but also use whey sometimes. Feel free to friend me if you want to see what I eat. Loved Daria in the 90's...0
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Just as a primer on terminology:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptation
Lactase persistence is a genetic adaptation. It's really quite simple.0 -
PeachyCarol wrote: »Just as a primer on terminology:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptation
Lactase persistence is a genetic adaptation. It's really quite simple.
Also wonderful. ;-)0 -
Dairy products naturally contain a lot of sugar. Many products add additional sugar. Yogurt is probably the worst offender. Even in the more natural products, anything vanilla flavored will have quite a few more carbs/sugars than the plain version.
There are many other sources of protein which do not also have carbs, so that's a drawback to dairy. It's likely not an issue unless a very large percentage of your protein is coming from milk products.
Read labels carefully.0 -
perfectly fine to eat dairy. its a high quality complete protein. and delicious.0
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In 2013 through 2014 when I was at my heaviest (105 pounds over goal weight) I self-diagnosed as lactose intolerant. Consuming milk in particular would cause me to be chained to the toilette with rather bad GI distress. Repeatable. Even a latte would cause me distress. No more milk, cut back on most dairy, no more GI issues at all. Have milk? Problem quickly surfaced. Diagnosis seemed confirmed.
Months after I started my weight loss program, now much fitter, down 40 pounds, I decided to try milk. No issues. I had more milk. No issues.
I've brought this apparent return to tolerance of lactose up in a thread or two here and others have reported similar findings. Were our systems incapable of digesting lactose when we were at our least fit and most unhealthy points of our lives? What changed since that allows us to now tolerate these foods?
What is actually at work is unknown to me, but I'm delighted that I can incorporate any amount of dairy in my diet. I eschew 0 fat dairy products in favour of with-fat Greek yogurts, milk, cottage cheese, cheeses. I've had zero instances of GI issues since.
A healthy dose of Greek yogurt is a daily staple for me. I'm glad I can have it now.0 -
In 2013 through 2014 when I was at my heaviest (105 pounds over goal weight) I self-diagnosed as lactose intolerant. Consuming milk in particular would cause me to be chained to the toilette with rather bad GI distress. Repeatable. Even a latte would cause me distress. No more milk, cut back on most dairy, no more GI issues at all. Have milk? Problem quickly surfaced. Diagnosis seemed confirmed.
Months after I started my weight loss program, now much fitter, down 40 pounds, I decided to try milk. No issues. I had more milk. No issues.
I've brought this apparent return to tolerance of lactose up in a thread or two here and others have reported similar findings. Were our systems incapable of digesting lactose when we were at our least fit and most unhealthy points of our lives? What changed since that allows us to now tolerate these foods?
What is actually at work is unknown to me, but I'm delighted that I can incorporate any amount of dairy in my diet. I eschew 0 fat dairy products in favour of with-fat Greek yogurts, milk, cottage cheese, cheeses. I've had zero instances of GI issues since.
A healthy dose of Greek yogurt is a daily staple for me. I'm glad I can have it now.
That feeling when: someone mentions an interesting effect of weight loss, you try to Google it, but only find Paleo writers who don't know what they're talking about.0 -
azulvioleta6 wrote: »Dairy products naturally contain a lot of sugar. Many products add additional sugar. Yogurt is probably the worst offender. Even in the more natural products, anything vanilla flavored will have quite a few more carbs/sugars than the plain version.
There are many other sources of protein which do not also have carbs, so that's a drawback to dairy. It's likely not an issue unless a very large percentage of your protein is coming from milk products.
Read labels carefully.
It should be noted that plain yogurt contains no added sugar whatsoever. A serving of plain yogurt has 9 grams of sugar. A serving of cottage cheese has 3.5 grams. I typically eat a serving and a half of cottage cheese to get 20 grams of protein, so that's 6 grams or so of sugar.
Natural sugars from dairy plus veggies plus fruit leave me under my sugar goal for the day. I'm on the lowest calorie amount of 1200, my sugar goal is 45 grams. 15 grams from dairy aren't going to do much damage.
Those sugare are also not the types of sugars that the WHO recommends most people limit their intake of.
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If there is bloating, it's probably because of the lactose like all who said above. Hard cheeses have minimal lactose, soft cheeses etc have more. Bloating etc-check out fodmaps and you will find a great deal of information on the foods that cause excess gas in the intestines, could be causing your bloating Lots of good info there (fodmaps) for a lot of people. 0
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That feeling when: someone mentions an interesting effect of weight loss, you try to Google it, but only find Paleo writers who don't know what they're talking about.
@senecarr : I'm feeling that feeling when someone un-asked acts like a total *kitten*.
The bottom line is that pre-weight loss I couldn't tolerate raw milk products at all. When I was fit before I could.
Post weight loss: I can. Again.
It's very simple - a clear and unmistakable observation I've been able to make after many instances of raw milk products causing me distress while at my heaviest, yet absolutely no such distress after I've dropped significant weight and become fit again. Same basic diet before and after, I'm not a keto/paleo/mega-protein/this-or-that. If there is a major difference other than reasonable caloric intake it is one: exercise.
A simple observation had been made without a single reference to paleo this or keto that or high carb this or mega protein that, yet you inject nonsense into the discussion.
Well done.0 -
Make your own yoghurt. Very simple and you know for definite that there's no added this or that. Plus much tastier. Once you get a taste of it shop bought taste like plastic.0
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Hi I am new here. I have been seeing a nutritionist lately and his reason for advising a limited dairy intake is that it is mucus causing. He recommended a vegan protein source which is pre-digested (developed for cancer patients with compromised digestion). I am in a similar situation for different reasons. It's expensive (my insurance pays for it) but it has been a god send for me. It is a multi level marketing product, which makes me a bit wary, but it's working for me. I don't sell it myself. I have nothing to gain. It just helped me a lot so I thought I would pass on the info. Good luck!! It's called Super Amino 230
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Also, I heard you can make vegan yogurt easily with coconut milk and a probiotic capsul.0
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If you have bloating issues, etc you could try Lactaid pills before eating dairy. Dad's lactose intolerant and they work for him. I digest it fine tho, luckily.0
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