Need diet help - BF got ultimatum from Marines
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I assume its for promoting VLCD.0
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To be fair, PAV8888 was only recommending it under the supervision of a doctor. Personally, I don't think that was irresponsible.0
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I assume its for promoting VLCD.
Thanks @Mr_Knight. You're probably right as to the reason.
I would have though that a "report" to a moderator for violating TOS would have been more appropriate as opposed to "abuse" in that case though!
Oh, well. Can't win them all!
For the record I am not (at least in my mind) PROMOTING a VLCD. Certainly not in the way I see them promoted in threads where people tout their success at losing ##(#) lbs in time frames that make it evident they're engaged in VLCDs while claiming they feel great, energetic, and healthy and anyone can do it!
Given that we know the OP's husband is basically going to try his own version of a VLCD by eating salads and exercising till he drops I am very reluctantly pointing out to the OP the least unhealthy options that may be available to him to minimize the inevitable dangers and side effects.0 -
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I think there is more to this than what is being posted. The military invests a lot of money into every soldier. They would not just do something like that at the drop of a hat. Either this has been going on way longer than is being posted, or there is another reason they want him out.
In the Army, the overweight program goes for a 6 month period. If enough progress is made in that period, it can be extended.0 -
Speed of weight loss aside, is 190 even an appropriate goal weight for him?
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azulvioleta6 wrote: »Speed of weight loss aside, is 190 even an appropriate goal weight for him?
For 5'10"? As an upper limit? For sure.0 -
The Marines invested tons of money in him for 12 years. They will do what they can to keep him now that he is back in. Have your guy enroll in a program acceptable to the CO that will document his progress. When he misses the deadline, he can probably get an extension.0
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http://www.marines.mil/Portals/59/Publications/MCO 6110.3 W CH 1.pdf
A cursory glance at the reg shows that at 5'10 he can weigh 191 pounds and not exceed 19% BF. Rules are rules and in the age of sequestration, all branches are cutting the low hanging fruit ... which those violating body composition standards are.0 -
azulvioleta6 wrote: »Speed of weight loss aside, is 190 even an appropriate goal weight for him?
For 5'10"? As an upper limit? For sure.
For a man, if he is muscular and/or has a large frame, that is kind of thin.
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azulvioleta6 wrote: »azulvioleta6 wrote: »Speed of weight loss aside, is 190 even an appropriate goal weight for him?
For 5'10"? As an upper limit? For sure.
For a man, if he is muscular and/or has a large frame, that is kind of thin.
Sure, there may be the odd outlier. For the vast majority, 190 at that height is quite substantial. Plus excessive muscularity is not a desirable feature in modern soldiers.
Here's what 6'1", 180-ish looks like...3 inches taller, 10 pounds lighter, and certainly not looking particularly "thin"....
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Well, I'm about that height and I am VERY thin at 190, as a woman. The OPs husband probably doesn't have 20 pounds of boobs though
Those men look like they might have small or medium frames.0 -
azulvioleta6 wrote: »Those men look like they might have small or medium frames.
Most men have medium frames.
That's how "medium" is defined.0 -
At 5'10" and 190? To be that and be 20% body fat (very thin), you'd need a lean body mass of 152, which gives a fat free mass index of 21.8 - a typical man's FFMI is 19.0
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azulvioleta6 wrote: »Well, I'm about that height and I am VERY thin at 190, as a woman. The OPs husband probably doesn't have 20 pounds of boobs though
Those men look like they might have small or medium frames.
Hmmm.. @5'10 - 190 female - very thin ?? Is that a typo ?
I'm @ 5'8 135lbs female and am not considered very thin.0 -
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I feel like this should depend on a lot of factors. My husband is 5'10" and he could never make weight in the army, and at his lowest was 210, which was next to impossible for him to maintain. He's just a really stocky, big boned, muscular guy. However, he could run miles around the other guys and always made tape. So even if his weight looked bad, he could easily prove that he was physically up to the challenge. Idk how it is with the Marines, but more than diet, I think he should focus on fitness, strength, and making tape. If they are really so particular that he has to be 190, then he's probably better off doing something else. My husband said what worked for him the best was at least working out three hours a day (basic training days). Back then he wasn't paying any attention to what he was eating, he just knows he worked out so hard he was always starving.0
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pinkalipaca wrote: »If anyone has any suggestions or what would work best between low calorie vs atkins vs whatever else, please let me know.
The most important thing is to start. I would go for Atkins induction for 2 weeks with ~120 g/day of protein 20g of digestible (net) carbs excluding fibre and 90-100g of fats. Get most of the carbs from a variety of veg with low carb content. No fruit or nuts for 2 weeks. No added sugars, no cows milk. Add a couple of grams a day of salt from the outset. May need to moderate the exercise initially, but as it takes sevetral hours exercise for a pound of fat the diet is the priority.
Basically meat, fish, eggs, cheese with vegetables. Nothing lean or low fat or diet required. Add mayo, dressing, butter, cream etc for flavour and fat as rewuired, but savour rather than smother.
Try it and see.
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Snide? No mention of his losses of families in the OP and I don't claim to be a mind reader. I questioned it because it's a 30 day quest. The Marines didn't question when he rejoined? That all of a sudden now he has to lose the weight when it could have been addressed before the Marines accepted him back? It just sounds odd that that wasn't the case.pinkalipaca wrote: »Ninerbuff: He has been addressing it for the past 2 months and joined again last 3 weeks. I don't expect anyone to understand what he has been going though since he has lost both his brother and dad in the last month. He has still been trying and dropped 20 lbs. looking for advice, not snide comments here.
Thanks to those who answered with helpful comments.
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I do low carb and was very strict the first month and lost 25 pounds. My husband lost 40 his first Month. We did it with pretty much no exercise. So I think it is technically possible but he will have to be very strict with his carbs. No more then 20 a day.0
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I also find it hard to understand how a person can re-enlist without already meeting the standard criteria.0
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Snide? No mention of his losses of families in the OP and I don't claim to be a mind reader. I questioned it because it's a 30 day quest. The Marines didn't question when he rejoined? That all of a sudden now he has to lose the weight when it could have been addressed before the Marines accepted him back? It just sounds odd that that wasn't the case.pinkalipaca wrote: »Ninerbuff: He has been addressing it for the past 2 months and joined again last 3 weeks. I don't expect anyone to understand what he has been going though since he has lost both his brother and dad in the last month. He has still been trying and dropped 20 lbs. looking for advice, not snide comments here.
Thanks to those who answered with helpful comments.
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When someone gets out and goes back in, they are required to go through MEPS again to make sure they meet the standards.
The OP and her explanation just get more confusing each time I read it.0 -
Snide? No mention of his losses of families in the OP and I don't claim to be a mind reader. I questioned it because it's a 30 day quest. The Marines didn't question when he rejoined? That all of a sudden now he has to lose the weight when it could have been addressed before the Marines accepted him back? It just sounds odd that that wasn't the case.pinkalipaca wrote: »Ninerbuff: He has been addressing it for the past 2 months and joined again last 3 weeks. I don't expect anyone to understand what he has been going though since he has lost both his brother and dad in the last month. He has still been trying and dropped 20 lbs. looking for advice, not snide comments here.
Thanks to those who answered with helpful comments.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
When someone gets out and goes back in, they are required to go through MEPS again to make sure they meet the standards.
The OP and her explanation just get more confusing each time I read it.
At this point I'm kinda wondering if some...conversations...are happening on the home front.
This story just doesn't hang together....
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45lb's in 30 days? only was i see that happening is to do a 30 day water fast. and even then im not sure he'd loose 45lbs. just not doable.0
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thorsmom01 wrote: »azulvioleta6 wrote: »Well, I'm about that height and I am VERY thin at 190, as a woman. The OPs husband probably doesn't have 20 pounds of boobs though
Those men look like they might have small or medium frames.
Hmmm.. @5'10 - 190 female - very thin ?? Is that a typo ?
I'm @ 5'8 135lbs female and am not considered very thin.
For sure. I'm 5'8" and 150 lbs and just regular ol' thin. For a woman that height....190 lbs is never gonna be very thin. It might be a little bit of the mind seeing so much lost, etc that warps perception, but I don't know...I'm not the poster.
I do remember the first time I lost weight and got to 175. I thought I looked so svelte. It wasn't until I got down to an actual healthy, trim weight that I really knew what my body was supposed to look like.
Definitely @shell05 , that jumped out at me and I thought it had to be a typo because it just didn't seem right. But your 100% correct that sometimes we see ourselves differently then others do. Body dimorphic people can think they are thin when in reality they are fluffy and vice versa ... Our minds can play tricks on us for sure!0 -
Op maybe come back and clarify . certain parts of the story aren't making sense ( I do understand that sometimes its hard to communicate certain points through writing and would be much easier to explain in person so sometimes these misunderstandings happen online ) so maybe reword your post and then you might receive more helpful input on your situation.0
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Didn't read through all the pages so unsure if anyone has mentioned this but he should look into keto dieting: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gZfJejOM8fJsX1iCilmnpp1qmT_KncJwWCR4-EsaEHc/mobilebasic?pli=1 if you need more info links let me know
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