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MillyFleurs wrote: »MillyFleurs wrote: »Also: my workouts are better, my general mood is better, and my IBS flare ups are shorter.
that is all subjective...
one of my best deadlift sessions in a while was after eating a huge piece of cake, which I am guessing is a no no for you...
I could have a great session after a huge piece of cake too, provided I didn't eat like that for every meal up to that point.
I think what a lot of people who haven't been out of shape or making poor dietary choices for a while or ever forget what it's like at the beginning. Sometimes in the beginning, the best way to deal with a craving is to not. give. in.
now you are trying to have it both ways. You can't say that clean foods make me perform better, and then flip it around and say "well, yea, I could eat cake and have a great workout session too"..
I eat ice cream every evening, my workouts are fine. Are you saying if you had a serving of ice cream every night that your workouts would suffer? That makes no sense...
I will repeat, I never said I was an advocate for clean eating. I told the OP that I think I understand what she's asking, and phrased my question around that.
And yes, my work outs would suffer greatly. I have IBS and ice cream makes my colon freak the *kitten* out.0 -
Trader Joe's has many delicious things that come in boxes and therefore cannot possibly be "clean". Also they only charge like 1/4 of Whole Foods prices so there is no opportunity to show off your wealth by inferring that's the only place you shop.0 -
MillyFleurs wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »MillyFleurs wrote: »MillyFleurs wrote: »Also: my workouts are better, my general mood is better, and my IBS flare ups are shorter.
that is all subjective...
one of my best deadlift sessions in a while was after eating a huge piece of cake, which I am guessing is a no no for you...
I could have a great session after a huge piece of cake too, provided I didn't eat like that for every meal up to that point.
I think what a lot of people who haven't been out of shape or making poor dietary choices for a while or ever forget what it's like at the beginning. Sometimes in the beginning, the best way to deal with a craving is to not. give. in.
Your logic has a flaw. If your workouts are better because of clean eating, how could you then "have a great session after a huge piece of cake too". The cake assertion negates your claim that your workouts are better because of clean eating.MillyFleurs wrote: »I get you, OP. I assume by clean eating you mean to cut out empty calories and junk foods and cook/snack on more simple (fewer ingredient) foods.
If so, yes! Give it a shot. Try a couple of weeks, though. I'll admit this is not my first rodeo and those bad habits are just a couple "comfort" slip ups away for me. I've found that what helps me make that initial adjustment with dietary changes and eating at a deficit is cutting out food I don't need to eat and filling up on nutritious food. I know most people here don't care for elimination diets or the term "bad food" but if certain foods or types of foods are a problem for you, you should avoid them. Kind of like how a problem drinker should avoid bars.
It takes me a while to break bad eating habits with slip ups all along the way, but after about a month I form an easy rhythm of: "do I need to eat this? will I be hungry later? if I don't eat this today, I can splurge when out another day" and so on. I also quit wanting those problem foods so much.
What I'm hearing is "Eat more potato chips." Not empty calories: they are an excellent source of potassium. Only 3 ingredients. Minimally processed ... convenient clean food.
Neither of you are listening. I never said I'm an advocate of clean eating, I did say I think I understand the OP's question and worked with what she was asking.
I said avoid problem foods, for me potato chips are a problem food. I said to ask yourself if you need to eat this and will you be hungry later if you do. You definitely don't need to eat potato chips and if that's what you're snacking on, you'll be hungry sooner rather than later.
then why did you say this:
Also: my workouts are better, my general mood is better, and my IBS flare ups are shorter.
right after you said this:
get you, OP. I assume by clean eating you mean to cut out empty calories and junk foods and cook/snack on more simple (fewer ingredient) foods.
If so, yes! Give it a shot. Try a couple of weeks, though. I'll admit this is not my first rodeo and those bad habits are just a couple "comfort" slip ups away for me. I've found that what helps me make that initial adjustment with dietary changes and eating at a deficit is cutting out food I don't need to eat and filling up on nutritious food. I know most people here don't care for elimination diets or the term "bad food" but if certain foods or types of foods are a problem for you, you should avoid them. Kind of like how a problem drinker should avoid bars.
It takes me a while to break bad eating habits with slip ups all along the way, but after about a month I form an easy rhythm of: "do I need to eat this? will I be hungry later? if I don't eat this today, I can splurge when out another day" and so on. I also quit wanting those problem foods so much.0 -
MillyFleurs wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »MillyFleurs wrote: »MillyFleurs wrote: »Also: my workouts are better, my general mood is better, and my IBS flare ups are shorter.
that is all subjective...
one of my best deadlift sessions in a while was after eating a huge piece of cake, which I am guessing is a no no for you...
I could have a great session after a huge piece of cake too, provided I didn't eat like that for every meal up to that point.
I think what a lot of people who haven't been out of shape or making poor dietary choices for a while or ever forget what it's like at the beginning. Sometimes in the beginning, the best way to deal with a craving is to not. give. in.
Then you binge when you do give in. That why people bring up eat it in moderation.
OR, you learn how to control your cravings and that you are in charge.
We are talking about newbies right?
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MillyFleurs wrote: »MillyFleurs wrote: »MillyFleurs wrote: »Also: my workouts are better, my general mood is better, and my IBS flare ups are shorter.
that is all subjective...
one of my best deadlift sessions in a while was after eating a huge piece of cake, which I am guessing is a no no for you...
I could have a great session after a huge piece of cake too, provided I didn't eat like that for every meal up to that point.
I think what a lot of people who haven't been out of shape or making poor dietary choices for a while or ever forget what it's like at the beginning. Sometimes in the beginning, the best way to deal with a craving is to not. give. in.
now you are trying to have it both ways. You can't say that clean foods make me perform better, and then flip it around and say "well, yea, I could eat cake and have a great workout session too"..
I eat ice cream every evening, my workouts are fine. Are you saying if you had a serving of ice cream every night that your workouts would suffer? That makes no sense...
I will repeat, I never said I was an advocate for clean eating. I told the OP that I think I understand what she's asking, and phrased my question around that.
And yes, my work outs would suffer greatly. I have IBS and ice cream makes my colon freak the *kitten* out.
So you have a medical condition and aren't talking about the subject at hand which is clean eating. OK.0 -
I get the OP's reaction to the responses.
If someone asks about ideas on clean eating recipes, it certainly seems fair to ask what parameters for clean eating she has in mind. However...
I don't necessarily think it's important to ask why they want to try it...unless there's an explicitly stated claim that can be discussed. That is, if someone wants to try something (in this case clean eating), who the hell am I to ask her why she wants to? There was nothing weird about the initial question. There were no outlandish claims. People just decided to harp on it because of baggage that happens in other threads that should stay in other threads. It's a charged topic, to be sure. No need to keep the charge going.
She wants to change what she eats to feel better physically. "Clean eating," however it ends up being defined by her, may have an effect on that or not. Wish her well, and let it go at that until some sort of unsupported claim gets made.0 -
brianpperkins wrote: »AlabasterVerve wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »Ahh ... a "whole food" .. introducing yet another arbitrary, subjective, and therefore meaningless term into the discussion.
ETA: Based on your diary, heaving whipping cream must be a "whole food" along with coffee which is heavily processed from its natural, cherry pit state to a roasted and ground product suitable for making a beverage.
I know perfectly well my diet isn't clean and I've never described it as such. There's some sort of gum or wax in my cream, MSG in the soup mix I use, some bunch of letters (BHT... BBT I don't know) on my pepperoni that is apparently so bad for you there's a warning label on the front of the package... and I could go on all day with this.
But I do think eating whole foods is the ideal so I try to do that as much as taste, convenience and budget allows. That anyone thinks there's something wrong with this is certainly telling.
Define "whole food"
I tried to eat a whole food once and nearly needed the Heimlich maneuver.
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I get the OP's reaction to the responses.
If someone asks about ideas on clean eating recipes, it certainly seems fair to ask what parameters for clean eating she has in mind. However...
I don't necessarily think it's important to ask why they want to try it...unless there's an explicitly stated claim that can be discussed. That is, if someone wants to try something (in this case clean eating), who the hell am I to ask her why she wants to? There was nothing weird about the initial question. There were no outlandish claims. People just decided to harp on it because of baggage that happens in other threads that should stay in other threads. It's a charged topic, to be sure. No need to keep the charge going.
She wants to change what she eats to feel better physically. "Clean eating," however it ends up being defined by her, may have an effect on that or not. Wish her well, and let it go at that until some sort of unsupported claim gets made.
If one cannot clearly define "clean" then how are they supposed to eat that way?0 -
MillyFleurs wrote: »MillyFleurs wrote: »MillyFleurs wrote: »Also: my workouts are better, my general mood is better, and my IBS flare ups are shorter.
that is all subjective...
one of my best deadlift sessions in a while was after eating a huge piece of cake, which I am guessing is a no no for you...
I could have a great session after a huge piece of cake too, provided I didn't eat like that for every meal up to that point.
I think what a lot of people who haven't been out of shape or making poor dietary choices for a while or ever forget what it's like at the beginning. Sometimes in the beginning, the best way to deal with a craving is to not. give. in.
now you are trying to have it both ways. You can't say that clean foods make me perform better, and then flip it around and say "well, yea, I could eat cake and have a great workout session too"..
I eat ice cream every evening, my workouts are fine. Are you saying if you had a serving of ice cream every night that your workouts would suffer? That makes no sense...
I will repeat, I never said I was an advocate for clean eating. I told the OP that I think I understand what she's asking, and phrased my question around that.
And yes, my work outs would suffer greatly. I have IBS and ice cream makes my colon freak the *kitten* out.
edited because I misread previous post.0 -
MillyFleurs wrote: »I get you, OP. I assume by clean eating you mean to cut out empty calories and junk foods and cook/snack on more simple (fewer ingredient) foods.
If so, yes! Give it a shot. Try a couple of weeks, though. I'll admit this is not my first rodeo and those bad habits are just a couple "comfort" slip ups away for me. I've found that what helps me make that initial adjustment with dietary changes and eating at a deficit is cutting out food I don't need to eat and filling up on nutritious food. I know most people here don't care for elimination diets or the term "bad food" but if certain foods or types of foods are a problem for you, you should avoid them. Kind of like how a problem drinker should avoid bars.
It takes me a while to break bad eating habits with slip ups all along the way, but after about a month I form an easy rhythm of: "do I need to eat this? will I be hungry later? if I don't eat this today, I can splurge when out another day" and so on. I also quit wanting those problem foods so much.
What I'm hearing is "Eat more potato chips." Not empty calories: they are an excellent source of potassium. Only 3 ingredients. Minimally processed ... convenient clean food.
Vegan too.0 -
MillyFleurs wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »MillyFleurs wrote: »MillyFleurs wrote: »Also: my workouts are better, my general mood is better, and my IBS flare ups are shorter.
that is all subjective...
one of my best deadlift sessions in a while was after eating a huge piece of cake, which I am guessing is a no no for you...
I could have a great session after a huge piece of cake too, provided I didn't eat like that for every meal up to that point.
I think what a lot of people who haven't been out of shape or making poor dietary choices for a while or ever forget what it's like at the beginning. Sometimes in the beginning, the best way to deal with a craving is to not. give. in.
Your logic has a flaw. If your workouts are better because of clean eating, how could you then "have a great session after a huge piece of cake too". The cake assertion negates your claim that your workouts are better because of clean eating.MillyFleurs wrote: »I get you, OP. I assume by clean eating you mean to cut out empty calories and junk foods and cook/snack on more simple (fewer ingredient) foods.
If so, yes! Give it a shot. Try a couple of weeks, though. I'll admit this is not my first rodeo and those bad habits are just a couple "comfort" slip ups away for me. I've found that what helps me make that initial adjustment with dietary changes and eating at a deficit is cutting out food I don't need to eat and filling up on nutritious food. I know most people here don't care for elimination diets or the term "bad food" but if certain foods or types of foods are a problem for you, you should avoid them. Kind of like how a problem drinker should avoid bars.
It takes me a while to break bad eating habits with slip ups all along the way, but after about a month I form an easy rhythm of: "do I need to eat this? will I be hungry later? if I don't eat this today, I can splurge when out another day" and so on. I also quit wanting those problem foods so much.
What I'm hearing is "Eat more potato chips." Not empty calories: they are an excellent source of potassium. Only 3 ingredients. Minimally processed ... convenient clean food.
Neither of you are listening. I never said I'm an advocate of clean eating, I did say I think I understand the OP's question and worked with what she was asking.
I said avoid problem foods, for me potato chips are a problem food. I said to ask yourself if you need to eat this and will you be hungry later if you do. You definitely don't need to eat potato chips and if that's what you're snacking on, you'll be hungry sooner rather than later.
then why did you say this:
Also: my workouts are better, my general mood is better, and my IBS flare ups are shorter.
right after you said this:
get you, OP. I assume by clean eating you mean to cut out empty calories and junk foods and cook/snack on more simple (fewer ingredient) foods.
If so, yes! Give it a shot. Try a couple of weeks, though. I'll admit this is not my first rodeo and those bad habits are just a couple "comfort" slip ups away for me. I've found that what helps me make that initial adjustment with dietary changes and eating at a deficit is cutting out food I don't need to eat and filling up on nutritious food. I know most people here don't care for elimination diets or the term "bad food" but if certain foods or types of foods are a problem for you, you should avoid them. Kind of like how a problem drinker should avoid bars.
It takes me a while to break bad eating habits with slip ups all along the way, but after about a month I form an easy rhythm of: "do I need to eat this? will I be hungry later? if I don't eat this today, I can splurge when out another day" and so on. I also quit wanting those problem foods so much.
No where in there do I say I'm a clean eater. No where. I guess at what the OP means by "clean eating" and tell her what works for me.0 -
brianpperkins wrote: »I get the OP's reaction to the responses.
If someone asks about ideas on clean eating recipes, it certainly seems fair to ask what parameters for clean eating she has in mind. However...
I don't necessarily think it's important to ask why they want to try it...unless there's an explicitly stated claim that can be discussed. That is, if someone wants to try something (in this case clean eating), who the hell am I to ask her why she wants to? There was nothing weird about the initial question. There were no outlandish claims. People just decided to harp on it because of baggage that happens in other threads that should stay in other threads. It's a charged topic, to be sure. No need to keep the charge going.
She wants to change what she eats to feel better physically. "Clean eating," however it ends up being defined by her, may have an effect on that or not. Wish her well, and let it go at that until some sort of unsupported claim gets made.
If one cannot clearly define "clean" then how are they supposed to eat that way?
And as I said, it's fair to ask what parameters for clean she has in mind. What I saw was people asking why she wants to and talking about how it doesn't matter. Well, it doesn't matter to me, but maybe it does for her, and that's ok.
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brianpperkins wrote: »MillyFleurs wrote: »MillyFleurs wrote: »MillyFleurs wrote: »Also: my workouts are better, my general mood is better, and my IBS flare ups are shorter.
that is all subjective...
one of my best deadlift sessions in a while was after eating a huge piece of cake, which I am guessing is a no no for you...
I could have a great session after a huge piece of cake too, provided I didn't eat like that for every meal up to that point.
I think what a lot of people who haven't been out of shape or making poor dietary choices for a while or ever forget what it's like at the beginning. Sometimes in the beginning, the best way to deal with a craving is to not. give. in.
now you are trying to have it both ways. You can't say that clean foods make me perform better, and then flip it around and say "well, yea, I could eat cake and have a great workout session too"..
I eat ice cream every evening, my workouts are fine. Are you saying if you had a serving of ice cream every night that your workouts would suffer? That makes no sense...
I will repeat, I never said I was an advocate for clean eating. I told the OP that I think I understand what she's asking, and phrased my question around that.
And yes, my work outs would suffer greatly. I have IBS and ice cream makes my colon freak the *kitten* out.
So you have a medical condition and aren't talking about the subject at hand which is clean eating. OK.
He asked me if I'm saying if I ate ice cream every evening would my workouts suffer and I answered with why.0 -
MillyFleurs wrote: »MillyFleurs wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »MillyFleurs wrote: »MillyFleurs wrote: »Also: my workouts are better, my general mood is better, and my IBS flare ups are shorter.
that is all subjective...
one of my best deadlift sessions in a while was after eating a huge piece of cake, which I am guessing is a no no for you...
I could have a great session after a huge piece of cake too, provided I didn't eat like that for every meal up to that point.
I think what a lot of people who haven't been out of shape or making poor dietary choices for a while or ever forget what it's like at the beginning. Sometimes in the beginning, the best way to deal with a craving is to not. give. in.
Your logic has a flaw. If your workouts are better because of clean eating, how could you then "have a great session after a huge piece of cake too". The cake assertion negates your claim that your workouts are better because of clean eating.MillyFleurs wrote: »I get you, OP. I assume by clean eating you mean to cut out empty calories and junk foods and cook/snack on more simple (fewer ingredient) foods.
If so, yes! Give it a shot. Try a couple of weeks, though. I'll admit this is not my first rodeo and those bad habits are just a couple "comfort" slip ups away for me. I've found that what helps me make that initial adjustment with dietary changes and eating at a deficit is cutting out food I don't need to eat and filling up on nutritious food. I know most people here don't care for elimination diets or the term "bad food" but if certain foods or types of foods are a problem for you, you should avoid them. Kind of like how a problem drinker should avoid bars.
It takes me a while to break bad eating habits with slip ups all along the way, but after about a month I form an easy rhythm of: "do I need to eat this? will I be hungry later? if I don't eat this today, I can splurge when out another day" and so on. I also quit wanting those problem foods so much.
What I'm hearing is "Eat more potato chips." Not empty calories: they are an excellent source of potassium. Only 3 ingredients. Minimally processed ... convenient clean food.
Neither of you are listening. I never said I'm an advocate of clean eating, I did say I think I understand the OP's question and worked with what she was asking.
I said avoid problem foods, for me potato chips are a problem food. I said to ask yourself if you need to eat this and will you be hungry later if you do. You definitely don't need to eat potato chips and if that's what you're snacking on, you'll be hungry sooner rather than later.
then why did you say this:
Also: my workouts are better, my general mood is better, and my IBS flare ups are shorter.
right after you said this:
get you, OP. I assume by clean eating you mean to cut out empty calories and junk foods and cook/snack on more simple (fewer ingredient) foods.
If so, yes! Give it a shot. Try a couple of weeks, though. I'll admit this is not my first rodeo and those bad habits are just a couple "comfort" slip ups away for me. I've found that what helps me make that initial adjustment with dietary changes and eating at a deficit is cutting out food I don't need to eat and filling up on nutritious food. I know most people here don't care for elimination diets or the term "bad food" but if certain foods or types of foods are a problem for you, you should avoid them. Kind of like how a problem drinker should avoid bars.
It takes me a while to break bad eating habits with slip ups all along the way, but after about a month I form an easy rhythm of: "do I need to eat this? will I be hungry later? if I don't eat this today, I can splurge when out another day" and so on. I also quit wanting those problem foods so much.
No where in there do I say I'm a clean eater. No where. I guess at what the OP means by "clean eating" and tell her what works for me.
so equating problem food to a drinking problem is not saying that food is bad???0 -
FFS, I even mention splurging later.0
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brianpperkins wrote: »I get the OP's reaction to the responses.
If someone asks about ideas on clean eating recipes, it certainly seems fair to ask what parameters for clean eating she has in mind. However...
I don't necessarily think it's important to ask why they want to try it...unless there's an explicitly stated claim that can be discussed. That is, if someone wants to try something (in this case clean eating), who the hell am I to ask her why she wants to? There was nothing weird about the initial question. There were no outlandish claims. People just decided to harp on it because of baggage that happens in other threads that should stay in other threads. It's a charged topic, to be sure. No need to keep the charge going.
She wants to change what she eats to feel better physically. "Clean eating," however it ends up being defined by her, may have an effect on that or not. Wish her well, and let it go at that until some sort of unsupported claim gets made.
If one cannot clearly define "clean" then how are they supposed to eat that way?
And as I said, it's fair to ask what parameters for clean she has in mind. What I saw was people asking why she wants to and talking about how it doesn't matter. Well, it doesn't matter to me, but maybe it does for her, and that's ok.
it does not matter because it is not necessary for weight loss or overall health.
why put yourself on an ultra restrictive regime that is necessary for nothing..?
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brianpperkins wrote: »I get the OP's reaction to the responses.
If someone asks about ideas on clean eating recipes, it certainly seems fair to ask what parameters for clean eating she has in mind. However...
I don't necessarily think it's important to ask why they want to try it...unless there's an explicitly stated claim that can be discussed. That is, if someone wants to try something (in this case clean eating), who the hell am I to ask her why she wants to? There was nothing weird about the initial question. There were no outlandish claims. People just decided to harp on it because of baggage that happens in other threads that should stay in other threads. It's a charged topic, to be sure. No need to keep the charge going.
She wants to change what she eats to feel better physically. "Clean eating," however it ends up being defined by her, may have an effect on that or not. Wish her well, and let it go at that until some sort of unsupported claim gets made.
If one cannot clearly define "clean" then how are they supposed to eat that way?
And as I said, it's fair to ask what parameters for clean she has in mind. What I saw was people asking why she wants to and talking about how it doesn't matter. Well, it doesn't matter to me, but maybe it does for her, and that's ok.
it does not matter because it is not necessary for weight loss or overall health.
why put yourself on an ultra restrictive regime that is necessary for nothing..?
I ask my friend that everytime he goes on a 3000 calories all fruit diet.
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MillyFleurs wrote: »MillyFleurs wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »MillyFleurs wrote: »MillyFleurs wrote: »Also: my workouts are better, my general mood is better, and my IBS flare ups are shorter.
that is all subjective...
one of my best deadlift sessions in a while was after eating a huge piece of cake, which I am guessing is a no no for you...
I could have a great session after a huge piece of cake too, provided I didn't eat like that for every meal up to that point.
I think what a lot of people who haven't been out of shape or making poor dietary choices for a while or ever forget what it's like at the beginning. Sometimes in the beginning, the best way to deal with a craving is to not. give. in.
Your logic has a flaw. If your workouts are better because of clean eating, how could you then "have a great session after a huge piece of cake too". The cake assertion negates your claim that your workouts are better because of clean eating.MillyFleurs wrote: »I get you, OP. I assume by clean eating you mean to cut out empty calories and junk foods and cook/snack on more simple (fewer ingredient) foods.
If so, yes! Give it a shot. Try a couple of weeks, though. I'll admit this is not my first rodeo and those bad habits are just a couple "comfort" slip ups away for me. I've found that what helps me make that initial adjustment with dietary changes and eating at a deficit is cutting out food I don't need to eat and filling up on nutritious food. I know most people here don't care for elimination diets or the term "bad food" but if certain foods or types of foods are a problem for you, you should avoid them. Kind of like how a problem drinker should avoid bars.
It takes me a while to break bad eating habits with slip ups all along the way, but after about a month I form an easy rhythm of: "do I need to eat this? will I be hungry later? if I don't eat this today, I can splurge when out another day" and so on. I also quit wanting those problem foods so much.
What I'm hearing is "Eat more potato chips." Not empty calories: they are an excellent source of potassium. Only 3 ingredients. Minimally processed ... convenient clean food.
Neither of you are listening. I never said I'm an advocate of clean eating, I did say I think I understand the OP's question and worked with what she was asking.
I said avoid problem foods, for me potato chips are a problem food. I said to ask yourself if you need to eat this and will you be hungry later if you do. You definitely don't need to eat potato chips and if that's what you're snacking on, you'll be hungry sooner rather than later.
then why did you say this:
Also: my workouts are better, my general mood is better, and my IBS flare ups are shorter.
right after you said this:
get you, OP. I assume by clean eating you mean to cut out empty calories and junk foods and cook/snack on more simple (fewer ingredient) foods.
If so, yes! Give it a shot. Try a couple of weeks, though. I'll admit this is not my first rodeo and those bad habits are just a couple "comfort" slip ups away for me. I've found that what helps me make that initial adjustment with dietary changes and eating at a deficit is cutting out food I don't need to eat and filling up on nutritious food. I know most people here don't care for elimination diets or the term "bad food" but if certain foods or types of foods are a problem for you, you should avoid them. Kind of like how a problem drinker should avoid bars.
It takes me a while to break bad eating habits with slip ups all along the way, but after about a month I form an easy rhythm of: "do I need to eat this? will I be hungry later? if I don't eat this today, I can splurge when out another day" and so on. I also quit wanting those problem foods so much.
No where in there do I say I'm a clean eater. No where. I guess at what the OP means by "clean eating" and tell her what works for me.
so equating problem food to a drinking problem is not saying that food is bad???
This is where we have a basic difference in opinion. Some people have a hard time controlling themselves around certain foods. If that is the case, they should avoid being around that food until they can.0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »LeslieB042812 wrote: »MillyFleurs wrote: »MillyFleurs wrote: »Also: my workouts are better, my general mood is better, and my IBS flare ups are shorter.
that is all subjective...
one of my best deadlift sessions in a while was after eating a huge piece of cake, which I am guessing is a no no for you...
I could have a great session after a huge piece of cake too, provided I didn't eat like that for every meal up to that point.
I think what a lot of people who haven't been out of shape or making poor dietary choices for a while or ever forget what it's like at the beginning. Sometimes in the beginning, the best way to deal with a craving is to not. give. in.
Yes! I think that's exactly it--break the habit by being super strict so you don't have to think about it as much. And, I agree with you, Milly, that people seem to forget that they're often talking with newbies, for whom it may be more helpful.
Yes but for newbies, it is also often helpful to hear that they don't HAVE to follow some arbitrary way of eating in order to be successful. Many people come in here saying, "I want to eat clean so I can lose weight" as if those things are completely dependent upon each other. The point that many people here are trying to make is that using a term with such a subjective interpretation can lead to frustration and often over-restriction, which sometimes leads to people falling off the wagon and saying, "to heck with the whole thing, I'm just going to give up, this is too hard".
True, but that's not what the OP was saying. I think you can make the statement that it's not necessary for weight loss (and not sufficient for weight loss either) without saying that there is no value whatsoever. Different people are different. Maybe it wouldn't help you to be consciously restrictive for a set time (as the OP was asking about), but it helped me and it might help the OP, too.
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I often wonder if people really are as st***d as they make out to be in their posts. Usually when people on a forum that also deals with nutrition talk about " processed " food, we all know that this does not mean washing the vegetables, or cutting them into manageable pieces. Or adding some flavor to them.....
When we talk about " processed " food, we usually mean industrial processing that either makes out of one food another ( I am thinking chicken nuggets ) or adds so many additives( as one example ) that a loaf of wonder bread could fall behind my office filing cabinet and four month after was still eatible.....
The same is true for all those " clean " eating remarks, where people mention ( as one of many possible examples) that they wash their food with bleach ( and even after years of the same lame comments still think they are funny....haha ). Don't you know that those kinds of remarks tell more about you and where you are at than anything else ?
I am very interested in healthful natural eating ( I have done so all my life, just sometimes too much of it ), especially of other cultures ( for me that includes the US diet ). I feel that I never get to learn anything however, because many of those who are also interested and for lack of a better word use the expression " clean eating ", get scared of by very vocal ( and often uninformed ) few.0
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