Sugary Drinks CAN cause Diabetes ?!?

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  • Blondiez73
    Blondiez73 Posts: 33 Member
    This is absolutely ridiculous. If this were true then every Vegetarian/Vegan would be diabetic, and it just isn't so. I do agree simple sugars add to obesity which could lead to diabetes, but to claim that sugar is the cause of diabetes....is a lie. Everyone is brainwashed into thinking and pointing their finger at sugar as the evil demon. When in fact I would be more worried about how much FAT and protein you are eating rather than sugar. No one wants to hear it. No one wants to admit to themselves that their deep fried mozzarella cheese sticks and their battered fried chicken are the true offenders in this scenario. Instead they continue to gorge themselves on high fatty foods and wonder why they are getting fatter and sicker. Then, a person gets labeled diabetic (type 2) and needs to lose weight. So, what does h/she do? He/she may go on a low carb diet, because carbs are evil and they have to watch their sugar intake. Am I right? So, they take their diabetic pills and shoot themselves with their insulin and never get any better. Years go by and some may get fatter and sicker because of all the cholesterol, fat, and excess protein they are consuming and now they are having issues with atherosclerosis, cancer, and heart and kidney disease just because they are afraid of sugar. Does this sound like a sound plan to you? So, now they are on more medications to treat problems that weren't even a factor when they were first diagnosed with diabetes. Their health issues escalate to another level and now they are going blind or they have an infection on their toe and end up having amputations just because h/she clipped their toenail the wrong way and got an infection. I am sorry, but no thank you! Diabetes runs in my family and I will be damned if I ever subject myself to this kind of life. When I know darn well if there was something I could do about it to change it, I would. Many people don't want to change and some don't want to get better, because it is easier live with the illness than it is to change for the better. To me, it's a cop-out.
  • yarwell
    yarwell Posts: 10,477 Member
    "This is absolutely ridiculous. If this were true then every Vegetarian/Vegan would be diabetic" - you saw that this about sweetened drinks ? So not really anything to do with being a Veg*an
  • Tahlia68
    Tahlia68 Posts: 204 Member
    Have to disagree it's in the genetics!
  • MoiAussi93
    MoiAussi93 Posts: 1,948 Member
    edited July 2015
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    It's not hard to figure out that people who are lean burn off their calories consumed. Even if sugar plays a big part in the diet. WHO's recommendation is basically because with sugar being nutritionally devoid and not a very "filling" option, people will tend to overeat and being over weight/obese is a major risk for diabetes as well as other chronic diseases.

    Obviously people who are lean burn more than they eat, but we're discussing diabetes and the possibility that sugary drinks increases risk of that even if you are lean. You said the risk is quite low, which contradicts the study this thread discusses. And you claim that risk remains quite low even when you drink an amount of sugar per day in excess of the recommendations of one of the world's leading health organizations. If that amount is large enough to concern WHO about the obesity risk, why is it small enough to be irrelevant for diabetes risk?
    And I could easily claim that ALL of the type II diabetics I've trained were overweight/obese. I'll bet dollars to donuts that there's a big disparity in numbers if you compare actual lean type II's versus those that are overweight/obese.

    The point is diabetes is also common in lean people. You said most lean people who have diabetes were born with it. That is false. I am just correcting that.
    Your stance is one sugary drink is enough of a risk to totally avoid it. Sounds like you're convinced it does cause diabetes.

    I believe drinking it every day probably increases the risk of diabetes. So for that reason, and others not relevant to this thread, yes I avoid it.



  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,039 Member
    edited July 2015
    MoiAussi93 wrote: »
    Obviously people who are lean burn more than they eat, but we're discussing diabetes and the possibility that sugary drinks increases risk of that even if you are lean. You said the risk is quite low, which contradicts the study this thread discusses. And you claim that risk remains quite low even when you drink an amount of sugar per day in excess of the recommendations of one of the world's leading health organizations. If that amount is large enough to concern WHO about the obesity risk, why is it small enough to be irrelevant for diabetes risk?
    Because obesity is much much more of a risk to getting diabetes, then consuming a bit more than their recommendation?
    The point is diabetes is also common in lean people. You said most lean people who have diabetes were born with it. That is false. I am just correcting that.
    It's not false. People who are lean that have it, are predisposed genetically to it. Onset diabetes isn't common amongst lean individuals who aren't predisposed to it. Do you think a doctor or endocrinologist is HIGHLY concerned with a lean individual who has great blood glucose stats, exercises, eats well, has no history of diabetes in family but goes over 25g of sugar in a day getting diabetes?

    http://www.opposingviews.com/i/health/conditions/why-do-lean-people-get-diabetes-2-its-genes
    I believe drinking it every day probably increases the risk of diabetes. So for that reason, and others not relevant to this thread, yes I avoid it.
    But opinion isn't strong enough evidence. While I do believe someone overweight or obese MUST reduce the amount of sugar they consume (due to calories), I don't believe there's enough here to show that someone who isn't in that physical state and takes good care of their weight and nutrition have substantial amount of risk.
    ANYTHING can happen to anyone even with the best precautions. Over precaution can stifle people from everything. I can't imagine being invited to a dinner and asking "is there any added sugar in the meal you made?"

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  • MoiAussi93
    MoiAussi93 Posts: 1,948 Member
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Because obesity is much much more of a risk to getting diabetes, then consuming a bit more than their recommendation?
    that is just your opinion. The fact is that the causes of diabetes are complicated, and science has not yet worked out the weights of the various risk factors and how they interact with each other. You're entitled to your opinion, but you are wrong to state it as fact. I don't agree with your opinions, btw, as you don't agree with mine.
    It's not false. People who are lean that have it, are predisposed genetically to it. Onset diabetes isn't common amongst lean individuals who aren't predisposed to it. Do you think a doctor or endocrinologist is HIGHLY concerned with a lean individual who has great blood glucose stats, exercises, eats well, has no history of diabetes in family but goes over 25g of sugar in a day getting diabetes?

    http://www.opposingviews.com/i/health/conditions/why-do-lean-people-get-diabetes-2-its-genes

    It is false. Many lean people get diabetes, and there is no real way to know if you are predisposed or not. It could be that everybody who gets it, overweight or lean, is predisposed and being overweight just makes it more likely. And if you are predisposed, you quite possibly can still avoid getting it, or decrease your risk, if you eat the proper diet, part of which is avoiding sugary beverages. It is not just genetics and weight. Diet also plays a role. As does exercise. And possibly any other number of factors.

    My doctor told me that many scientists believe even if you have a genetic predisposition, you may never get it depending on your diet. They do not yet know how much is genetics and how much is lifestyle. Weight is one part of lifestyle. Diet and sugar consumption is another. Many who do get it have reversed it with diet...that indicates, to me at least, that diet is very significant.
    But opinion isn't strong enough evidence. While I do believe someone overweight or obese MUST reduce the amount of sugar they consume (due to calories), I don't believe there's enough here to show that someone who isn't in that physical state and takes good care of their weight and nutrition have substantial amount of risk.
    ANYTHING can happen to anyone even with the best precautions. Over precaution can stifle people from everything. I can't imagine being invited to a dinner and asking "is there any added sugar in the meal you made?"

    Opinion isn't supposed to be evidence...it is opinion. The difference is I state my opinion as opinion, you believe your opinions are fact. There is plenty of research, even though it is not conclusive either way. It is enough to make me believe that daily consumption of sugary beverages should be avoided to minimize risk.

    You don't believe the research is compelling enough to stop drinking sugary beverages on a regular basis. I do. We just evaluate this differently.

  • amusedmonkey
    amusedmonkey Posts: 10,330 Member
    I would love to see a study on sugar and diabetes that tracks lean individuals, that would be interesting.
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