Biking on the street
threedogswc
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where I live is not very bike friendly. I really want to ride more into town. Now I'm riding on bike specific trails but have to travel to get to them. Anyone have any tips for riding in a suburban area?
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Obey traffic laws and be courteous to vehicles since you are smaller than yhem. Hold as far right as possible.0
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Thanks so much! Do people still use hand signals?0
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Surprisingly most motorist are very good with people sharing the road on bikes so go for it. Make sure your helmet is on tight, get a helmet mounted mirror (trust me!) and YES hand signals still work well! Be safe.0
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Good advice on the mirror. I'll look for that. Thanks!0
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I ride on the road all the time and in Oklahoma which I think is like 47th or something on the "bike friendly states" list.
Tips
1. No your routes. By this, I mean plan your routes out if you are unfamiliar to make sure you are on as bike friendly as possible roads.
2. Obey traffic laws
3. Remember that the car will always win if you should "meet".0 -
assume they don't see you. make yourself visible.0
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I use hand signals for turning. I don't tend to think motorists recognize the signal for "stop", although I'll flash it sometimes.
I also wear high vis clothing (generally a construction worker vest over whatever else I'm wearing, though I have some expensive running/biking wear too) and run head/taillights when I think appropriate. I've actually had someone stop me when I was walking into the gym in my dark morning bike gear and thank me for being so visible to her as a driver. So it's at least helpful to drivers who are paying attention (although it's generally the distracted ones who are the problem).
If the road is one lane in each direction and there is not enough room for you and a car to be comfortably side-by-side (and insufficient shoulder), TAKE THE LANE. Ride in the middle. Yes, you'll make the cars behind you grumpy. But hugging the outer line in a case like this is an invitation to get accidentally sideswiped. Remember, the people who are going to try to pass you in a case like that, are exactly the drivers aggressive/rushed enough to misjudge the distance and, honestly, care more about getting where they're going than YOUR safety.0 -
cheshirecatastrophe wrote: »
If the road is one lane in each direction and there is not enough room for you and a car to be comfortably side-by-side (and insufficient shoulder), TAKE THE LANE. Ride in the middle. Yes, you'll make the cars behind you grumpy. But hugging the outer line in a case like this is an invitation to get accidentally sideswiped. Remember, the people who are going to try to pass you in a case like that, are exactly the drivers aggressive/rushed enough to misjudge the distance and, honestly, care more about getting where they're going than YOUR safety.
That's a good point. Just want to echo it. Don't be afraid to take the entire lane. It's inevitable that cars will get angry/impatient with you at some point. Pay them no mind.
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Wear bright colors.
Ride on the sidewalk if you don't feel safe.
Bicycle Street Smarts:
http://www.bikexprt.com/streetsmarts/usa/
How to ride on the street:
http://antranik.org/how-to-ride-your-bicycle-safely-on-the-street/0 -
This is all great advice thanks everyone!0
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Thank you!!!
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Cherimoose wrote: »Wear bright colors.
Ride on the sidewalk if you don't feel safe.
Bicycle Street Smarts:
http://www.bikexprt.com/streetsmarts/usa/
How to ride on the street:
http://antranik.org/how-to-ride-your-bicycle-safely-on-the-street/
It's so surprising to me that there are no bike lanes in town. Especially being a college town.0 -
Obey all traffic laws. That means stay in your lane, stop for red lights and stop signs.
Realize that you are operating a street legal vehicle with all the same rights and responsibilities of other vehicle operators.
While you have all the same rights as larger vehicles, in a collision, you will lose!
Use a mirror, use hand signals, have lights front and rear.
Wear a helmet.
Riding on sidewalks is far more dangerous than riding in the street. People normally pull across sidewalks and cross walks before looking for cross traffic. If you are traveling the sidewalk at 15 mph when that car exits their drive, you will get seriously injured and the driver will profess they never saw you.0 -
around here people can get tickets for riding on the sidewalk0
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Yeh I'm wondering about that. I'll have to check0
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You may find this free guide of use:
Guide to Cycle Commuting
It is written from a UK perspective so you may have to adapt it to conform with your local traffic laws but it involves some good advice on adopting primary and secondary positions on the road, care when overtaking large vehicles such as trucks and not riding too close to the kerb.0 -
do NOT ride on the sidewalk. That is actually against the law in most places (although enforcement obviously varies a LOT).
I hope it goes without saying, but ride WITH traffic....wear a helment....do NOT wear headphones, do NOT use your cellphone/ipod/etc (biking while texting/talking - I've seen it...very dangerous).
If there is a shoulder or bike lane to ride in, use that. If you need to take the lane, look behind you before doing so. If you need to take the lane, TAKE the lane - don't try to hug the white line. Make left turns from the left most lane (look behind you before changing lanes, and signal your lane change). Use hand signals (bearing in mind that most motorists don't remember the CORRECT ones - left arm out with hand up or down, most take for "stopping" - for right turns, I actually point to the right with my right hand...it's a clearer signal to the motorists behind me or stopped at the intersection that I'm turning at than the correct signal).
Try to maintain your line and not swerve around (ie to avoid holes/grates). Look out ahead of you to try and spot hazards early, so you can deliberately ride around them, rather than swerve at the last minute.
Get a mirror. I prefer a handlebar mounted one, but they also make helmet mounted ones (I tried it and couldn't see as well).
Get high intensity LED lights - front and rear. Use them night (on steady) AND day (flashing) to make you more visible.
Wear hi-vis clothing with reflective accents.
Hope that helps!0 -
I always assume that every motorist is trying to kill me (in all my years of cycling I've actually only come across one real psycho...) or that they're blind, one of the thing i do is ride with a flashing white LED light showing to the front & flashing red LED to the rear day & night, the only exception is when I'm racing on a closed course.
Make yourself visible!0 -
I would check the rules in PA. In CA you can ride in the crosswalk to make left turns. When I am on a slower bike on fast streets, I do this.
I don't use the DMV hand signals because 1) drivers often seem confused by them and 2) they were developed for use from cars before turn signals existed. I will point right or left for turns.
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West Chester? Howdy neighbor! There is some damn fine riding around here. I assume you ride on the Chester Valley Trail and the Schuylkill River Trail? Those are a great place to get experienced. You are in a great area to get into some real riding though as I am sure you have seen on weekends with all the local cyclists. Some suggestions for bike friendly areas to ride are to ride up rt282 in Downingtown out to Glenmoore. Also head out towards French Creek State Park. Lots of great roads out there that aren't as packed with cars.
Check out the route the French Creek Iron Tour takes - those roads tend to be less traveled and are quite scenic. All within a few minutes ride from West Chester0 -
West Chester? Howdy neighbor! There is some damn fine riding around here. I assume you ride on the Chester Valley Trail and the Schuylkill River Trail? Those are a great place to get experienced. You are in a great area to get into some real riding though as I am sure you have seen on weekends with all the local cyclists. Some suggestions for bike friendly areas to ride are to ride up rt282 in Downingtown out to Glenmoore. Also head out towards French Creek State Park. Lots of great roads out there that aren't as packed with cars.
Check out the route the French Creek Iron Tour takes - those roads tend to be less traveled and are quite scenic. All within a few minutes ride from West Chester
Howdy back at ya! Yeh usually the chester valley trail. I'm a newbie and I have a hybrid. The trails are ok but too many people and too many dogs. I'll check out a little further downing town to glenmoore is a good idea.
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Cherimoose wrote: »Wear bright colors.
Ride on the sidewalk if you don't feel safe.
Bicycle Street Smarts:
http://www.bikexprt.com/streetsmarts/usa/
How to ride on the street:
http://antranik.org/how-to-ride-your-bicycle-safely-on-the-street/
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threedogswc wrote: »where I live is not very bike friendly. I really want to ride more into town. Now I'm riding on bike specific trails but have to travel to get to them. Anyone have any tips for riding in a suburban area?
-- Obey the rules of the road. You are a vehicle of the road, therefore the road rules apply to you. Look up the rules of the road in your area. Try the highway traffic act for your area as a place to start, and especially look for the rules pertaining to cyclists and bicycles.
-- Ride close to the curb ... in my country, that would be, stay to the left. But yours might be stay to the right. Ride with the flow of traffic, not against it. You are not a pedestrian.
-- In saying ride close to the curb, don't ride right up against it. Ride about a foot or so out from the curb to give yourself room to dodge debris.
-- Do not ride on sidewalks unless you are sure it is legal to do so, and then ride carefully at pedestrian pace. When you are up on the sidewalk, you are a pedestrian.
-- Be predictable. Signal your intentions. Ride in a straight line - no weaving or wobbling. Ride intentionally - no weaving or wobbling. Keeping up a decent speed and looking like you know what you're doing helps.
-- You are invisible. Cyclists don a "cloaking device" when they hop on a bicycle. This, of course, poses problems when a car wants to occupy the spot where you, the invisible cyclist, are located. Assume no one sees you and act accordingly ... in other words, it is up to you to get out of the way.
-- Use lights, reflectors, hi-vis clothing, mirror, bell ... all the little safety things which might make you less invisible. And do not use earbuds or headphones or whatever. Don't block your hearing. Listening for worrying traffic noises behind you is important.
-- Explore and find cyclist-friendly routes. New cyclists often think of the routes they use while driving ... the direct but busy routes. However, there are often quieter routes available. Study maps and have a good explore.
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Obey traffic laws and be courteous to vehicles since you are smaller than yhem. Hold as far right as possible.
That is absolutely horrible advice. You can take the lane as a bike in the U.S. and you should. Staying far right is just inviting people to push limits and try to pass you (possibly hitting you) when it isn't safe to pass. You are essentially considered slow moving traffic. Keeping as far to the shoulder as possible is dangerous and not safe especially if you are in an already bike unfriendly area.
I'm stunned how many people are suggesting you do something so well known to be dangerous. Also look at the shoulder of the road it's where all the cheap in the street is swept, glass, rocks, Nails. etc. more hazards than just cars.0 -
I always say that I ride as far to the right of the road as is safe. Which sometimes is the middle of the road but sometimes is also near the shoulder. For example on a deserted road, sure I ride very close to the edge. Someone passing from behind is not likely to buzz me.
If it is a 2-lane road (one lane each way) and there is a decent amount of oncoming traffic I *will* move well into the road to discourage people from trying to pass with no room. I'll move back over when *I* decide the people behind me can safely pass.0 -
I always say that I ride as far to the right of the road as is safe. Which sometimes is the middle of the road but sometimes is also near the shoulder. For example on a deserted road, sure I ride very close to the edge. Someone passing from behind is not likely to buzz me.
If it is a 2-lane road (one lane each way) and there is a decent amount of oncoming traffic I *will* move well into the road to discourage people from trying to pass with no room. I'll move back over when *I* decide the people behind me can safely pass.
Yes, tailor it to the situation.
As it happens that's the law too ... it usually states somewhere in there "as far to the right (or left in my case) as practicable". (Each of us can look up the highway traffic acts as they pertain to bicycles in our own area to see what it says.)
Which means ... if you've got to dodge a pothole, obviously it's not practicable to hold your line and stay as far to the right as possible. If the whole curb is full of debris (as it often is soon after the snow melts), it is not practicable to ride as far to the right as possible. But if you've got a nice, smooth, relatively quiet country road ... then you can ride as far to the right as both practicable and possible.0
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