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lovellm122 wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »lovellm122 wrote: »LOL at not knowing what a clean diet is.
Right...
So how do you define it then? Because, from the all the people on here that I've asked; they couldn't get a definition which was the same.lovellm122 wrote: »Also stop eating pizza and peanut butter. have chicken and spinach for lunch.
LOL at this too right? Peanut butter is fine - unless you have any medical reasons on why you can't have it... then eat PB. Pizza - it's fine in moderation (like everything).
Chill. Basically there will always be discrepancies in such definitions, as research and HC professionals are constantly changing their mind on which are the 'cleanest' foods to include in your diet etc. We have macros which we set according to our goals. eating clean means getting all your macros from the healthiest sources of food; we eliminate sugars and saturated fats as much as possible, we use whole wheat and whole meal instead of white refined, we use fresh food instead of processed. We dont meet our calorie goals with bad food; pizza, cheese, cake, chocolate etc. you try and get the most bang for ya buck nutrition wise. what do you think will better your body most? .... Also forget about moderation if you want to achieve. get this right, you dont need cheat meals, you want cheat meals. you dont need pizza, you want it. There is a difference. your body would prefere healthy foods, and you will meet your goal fast and more efficiently that way.
i'm sorry, but a calorie is a calorie is a calorie.
and saying these foods are "bad" is nonsense. They are just foods.
Are you seriously telling OP to just say "goodbye all of the foods i love and enjoy i will never eat you again ever in my lifetime". That's BS and not gonna be sustained long term. Guaranteed.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »lovellm122 wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »lovellm122 wrote: »LOL at not knowing what a clean diet is.
Right...
So how do you define it then? Because, from the all the people on here that I've asked; they couldn't get a definition which was the same.lovellm122 wrote: »Also stop eating pizza and peanut butter. have chicken and spinach for lunch.
LOL at this too right? Peanut butter is fine - unless you have any medical reasons on why you can't have it... then eat PB. Pizza - it's fine in moderation (like everything).
Chill. Basically there will always be discrepancies in such definitions, as research and HC professionals are constantly changing their mind on which are the 'cleanest' foods to include in your diet etc. We have macros which we set according to our goals. eating clean means getting all your macros from the healthiest sources of food; we eliminate sugars and saturated fats as much as possible, we use whole wheat and whole meal instead of white refined, we use fresh food instead of processed. We dont meet our calorie goals with bad food; pizza, cheese, cake, chocolate etc. you try and get the most bang for ya buck nutrition wise. what do you think will better your body most? .... Also forget about moderation if you want to achieve. get this right, you dont need cheat meals, you want cheat meals. you dont need pizza, you want it. There is a difference. your body would prefere healthy foods, and you will meet your goal fast and more efficiently that way.
Except many people "eating clean" don't avoid saturated fat, they have concluded that it is healthy for us. And many people "eating clean" avoid wheat completely, they have concluded that it isn't healthy for us. And many people "eating clean" don't avoid chocolate provided that it is prepared in certain ways.
Fats are healthy, ie fish oil etc. saturated fats need to be kept within the macro target. whole grains are clean, unless research has once again changed0 -
lovellm122 wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »lovellm122 wrote: »LOL at not knowing what a clean diet is.
Right...
So how do you define it then? Because, from the all the people on here that I've asked; they couldn't get a definition which was the same.lovellm122 wrote: »Also stop eating pizza and peanut butter. have chicken and spinach for lunch.
LOL at this too right? Peanut butter is fine - unless you have any medical reasons on why you can't have it... then eat PB. Pizza - it's fine in moderation (like everything).
Chill. Basically there will always be discrepancies in such definitions, as research and HC professionals are constantly changing their mind on which are the 'cleanest' foods to include in your diet etc. We have macros which we set according to our goals. eating clean means getting all your macros from the healthiest sources of food; we eliminate sugars and saturated fats as much as possible, we use whole wheat and whole meal instead of white refined, we use fresh food instead of processed. We dont meet our calorie goals with bad food; pizza, cheese, cake, chocolate etc. you try and get the most bang for ya buck nutrition wise. what do you think will better your body most? .... Also forget about moderation if you want to achieve. get this right, you dont need cheat meals, you want cheat meals. you dont need pizza, you want it. There is a difference. your body would prefere healthy foods, and you will meet your goal fast and more efficiently that way.
You eliminate carbs too? That's a sugar.
I've never had a cheat meal... because I hit my micro and macronutrient goals and eat what I want... moderation works pretty well for a lot of people here on MFP.
True, I don't need pizza, I want it because it tastes good.
I don't think you're going to meet your goal any faster if you eat healthier because weight loss always boils down to CICO... not the micronutrient profiles of each food you eat - or is that not what you're saying?
Either way; the stuff you're preaching sounds miserable. How are you going to handle eating out with friends or family if you're offered a cheese cake?0 -
rainbowbow wrote: »lovellm122 wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »lovellm122 wrote: »LOL at not knowing what a clean diet is.
Right...
So how do you define it then? Because, from the all the people on here that I've asked; they couldn't get a definition which was the same.lovellm122 wrote: »Also stop eating pizza and peanut butter. have chicken and spinach for lunch.
LOL at this too right? Peanut butter is fine - unless you have any medical reasons on why you can't have it... then eat PB. Pizza - it's fine in moderation (like everything).
Chill. Basically there will always be discrepancies in such definitions, as research and HC professionals are constantly changing their mind on which are the 'cleanest' foods to include in your diet etc. We have macros which we set according to our goals. eating clean means getting all your macros from the healthiest sources of food; we eliminate sugars and saturated fats as much as possible, we use whole wheat and whole meal instead of white refined, we use fresh food instead of processed. We dont meet our calorie goals with bad food; pizza, cheese, cake, chocolate etc. you try and get the most bang for ya buck nutrition wise. what do you think will better your body most? .... Also forget about moderation if you want to achieve. get this right, you dont need cheat meals, you want cheat meals. you dont need pizza, you want it. There is a difference. your body would prefere healthy foods, and you will meet your goal fast and more efficiently that way.
i'm sorry, but a calorie is a calorie is a calorie.
and saying these foods are "bad" is nonsense. They are just foods.
Are you seriously telling OP to just say "goodbye all of the foods i love and enjoy i will never eat you again ever in my lifetime". That's BS and not gonna be sustained long term. Guaranteed.
Not all calories are equal. Whats better for your heart, getting calories form tuna, broccoli, chicken, salad; or cake, pizza, and chocolate.....0 -
lovellm122 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »lovellm122 wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »lovellm122 wrote: »LOL at not knowing what a clean diet is.
Right...
So how do you define it then? Because, from the all the people on here that I've asked; they couldn't get a definition which was the same.lovellm122 wrote: »Also stop eating pizza and peanut butter. have chicken and spinach for lunch.
LOL at this too right? Peanut butter is fine - unless you have any medical reasons on why you can't have it... then eat PB. Pizza - it's fine in moderation (like everything).
Chill. Basically there will always be discrepancies in such definitions, as research and HC professionals are constantly changing their mind on which are the 'cleanest' foods to include in your diet etc. We have macros which we set according to our goals. eating clean means getting all your macros from the healthiest sources of food; we eliminate sugars and saturated fats as much as possible, we use whole wheat and whole meal instead of white refined, we use fresh food instead of processed. We dont meet our calorie goals with bad food; pizza, cheese, cake, chocolate etc. you try and get the most bang for ya buck nutrition wise. what do you think will better your body most? .... Also forget about moderation if you want to achieve. get this right, you dont need cheat meals, you want cheat meals. you dont need pizza, you want it. There is a difference. your body would prefere healthy foods, and you will meet your goal fast and more efficiently that way.
Except many people "eating clean" don't avoid saturated fat, they have concluded that it is healthy for us. And many people "eating clean" avoid wheat completely, they have concluded that it isn't healthy for us. And many people "eating clean" don't avoid chocolate provided that it is prepared in certain ways.
Fats are healthy, ie fish oil etc. saturated fats need to be kept within the macro target. whole grains are clean, unless research has once again changed
So when you said that people "eating clean' eliminated saturated fats "as much as possible," you meant keeping within the macro target? That doesn't seem the same thing at all. Are you using "as much as possible" in some new way?
And are you aware that many people who encourage "clean eating" recommend the elimination of wheat?
The point is that no two "clean eaters" seem to eat alike. Some of you claim saturated fats are clean, some say they are unclean. Same for wheat and dozens of others types of foods. It's a meaningless term.0 -
lovellm122 wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »lovellm122 wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »lovellm122 wrote: »LOL at not knowing what a clean diet is.
Right...
So how do you define it then? Because, from the all the people on here that I've asked; they couldn't get a definition which was the same.lovellm122 wrote: »Also stop eating pizza and peanut butter. have chicken and spinach for lunch.
LOL at this too right? Peanut butter is fine - unless you have any medical reasons on why you can't have it... then eat PB. Pizza - it's fine in moderation (like everything).
Chill. Basically there will always be discrepancies in such definitions, as research and HC professionals are constantly changing their mind on which are the 'cleanest' foods to include in your diet etc. We have macros which we set according to our goals. eating clean means getting all your macros from the healthiest sources of food; we eliminate sugars and saturated fats as much as possible, we use whole wheat and whole meal instead of white refined, we use fresh food instead of processed. We dont meet our calorie goals with bad food; pizza, cheese, cake, chocolate etc. you try and get the most bang for ya buck nutrition wise. what do you think will better your body most? .... Also forget about moderation if you want to achieve. get this right, you dont need cheat meals, you want cheat meals. you dont need pizza, you want it. There is a difference. your body would prefere healthy foods, and you will meet your goal fast and more efficiently that way.
i'm sorry, but a calorie is a calorie is a calorie.
and saying these foods are "bad" is nonsense. They are just foods.
Are you seriously telling OP to just say "goodbye all of the foods i love and enjoy i will never eat you again ever in my lifetime". That's BS and not gonna be sustained long term. Guaranteed.
Not all calories are equal. Whats better for your heart, getting calories form tuna, broccoli, chicken, salad; or cake, pizza, and chocolate.....
A calorie is a unit of measurement. 1 calorie = 1 calorie. Does 1 cm not equal 1 cm either?
What you mean to say is "different foods have different micronutrient profiles which can either benefit, or be detrimental to our health by being not being consumed regularly"?0 -
IsaackGMOON wrote: »lovellm122 wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »lovellm122 wrote: »LOL at not knowing what a clean diet is.
Right...
So how do you define it then? Because, from the all the people on here that I've asked; they couldn't get a definition which was the same.lovellm122 wrote: »Also stop eating pizza and peanut butter. have chicken and spinach for lunch.
LOL at this too right? Peanut butter is fine - unless you have any medical reasons on why you can't have it... then eat PB. Pizza - it's fine in moderation (like everything).
Chill. Basically there will always be discrepancies in such definitions, as research and HC professionals are constantly changing their mind on which are the 'cleanest' foods to include in your diet etc. We have macros which we set according to our goals. eating clean means getting all your macros from the healthiest sources of food; we eliminate sugars and saturated fats as much as possible, we use whole wheat and whole meal instead of white refined, we use fresh food instead of processed. We dont meet our calorie goals with bad food; pizza, cheese, cake, chocolate etc. you try and get the most bang for ya buck nutrition wise. what do you think will better your body most? .... Also forget about moderation if you want to achieve. get this right, you dont need cheat meals, you want cheat meals. you dont need pizza, you want it. There is a difference. your body would prefere healthy foods, and you will meet your goal fast and more efficiently that way.
You eliminate carbs too? That's a sugar.
I've never had a cheat meal... because I hit my micro and macronutrient goals and eat what I want... moderation works pretty well for a lot of people here on MFP.
True, I don't need pizza, I want it because it tastes good.
I don't think you're going to meet your goal any faster if you eat healthier because weight loss always boils down to CICO... not the micronutrient profiles of each food you eat - or is that not what you're saying?
Either way; the stuff you're preaching sounds miserable. How are you going to handle eating out with friends or family if you're offered a cheese cake?
Wrong way round, sugar is a form of carb.
Miserable? seeing ya body change and transform is the best. why would saying no to cheese cake be hard? lol
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IsaackGMOON wrote: »lovellm122 wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »lovellm122 wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »lovellm122 wrote: »LOL at not knowing what a clean diet is.
Right...
So how do you define it then? Because, from the all the people on here that I've asked; they couldn't get a definition which was the same.lovellm122 wrote: »Also stop eating pizza and peanut butter. have chicken and spinach for lunch.
LOL at this too right? Peanut butter is fine - unless you have any medical reasons on why you can't have it... then eat PB. Pizza - it's fine in moderation (like everything).
Chill. Basically there will always be discrepancies in such definitions, as research and HC professionals are constantly changing their mind on which are the 'cleanest' foods to include in your diet etc. We have macros which we set according to our goals. eating clean means getting all your macros from the healthiest sources of food; we eliminate sugars and saturated fats as much as possible, we use whole wheat and whole meal instead of white refined, we use fresh food instead of processed. We dont meet our calorie goals with bad food; pizza, cheese, cake, chocolate etc. you try and get the most bang for ya buck nutrition wise. what do you think will better your body most? .... Also forget about moderation if you want to achieve. get this right, you dont need cheat meals, you want cheat meals. you dont need pizza, you want it. There is a difference. your body would prefere healthy foods, and you will meet your goal fast and more efficiently that way.
i'm sorry, but a calorie is a calorie is a calorie.
and saying these foods are "bad" is nonsense. They are just foods.
Are you seriously telling OP to just say "goodbye all of the foods i love and enjoy i will never eat you again ever in my lifetime". That's BS and not gonna be sustained long term. Guaranteed.
Not all calories are equal. Whats better for your heart, getting calories form tuna, broccoli, chicken, salad; or cake, pizza, and chocolate.....
A calorie is a unit of measurement. 1 calorie = 1 calorie. Does 1 cm not equal 1 cm either?
What you mean to say is "different foods have different micronutrient profiles which can either benefit, or be detrimental to our health by being not being consumed regularly"?
You knew exactly what i was saying. i wasnt talking in a figure of 'Does 1 cm not equal 1 cm'.0 -
lovellm122 wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »lovellm122 wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »lovellm122 wrote: »LOL at not knowing what a clean diet is.
Right...
So how do you define it then? Because, from the all the people on here that I've asked; they couldn't get a definition which was the same.lovellm122 wrote: »Also stop eating pizza and peanut butter. have chicken and spinach for lunch.
LOL at this too right? Peanut butter is fine - unless you have any medical reasons on why you can't have it... then eat PB. Pizza - it's fine in moderation (like everything).
Chill. Basically there will always be discrepancies in such definitions, as research and HC professionals are constantly changing their mind on which are the 'cleanest' foods to include in your diet etc. We have macros which we set according to our goals. eating clean means getting all your macros from the healthiest sources of food; we eliminate sugars and saturated fats as much as possible, we use whole wheat and whole meal instead of white refined, we use fresh food instead of processed. We dont meet our calorie goals with bad food; pizza, cheese, cake, chocolate etc. you try and get the most bang for ya buck nutrition wise. what do you think will better your body most? .... Also forget about moderation if you want to achieve. get this right, you dont need cheat meals, you want cheat meals. you dont need pizza, you want it. There is a difference. your body would prefere healthy foods, and you will meet your goal fast and more efficiently that way.
You eliminate carbs too? That's a sugar.
I've never had a cheat meal... because I hit my micro and macronutrient goals and eat what I want... moderation works pretty well for a lot of people here on MFP.
True, I don't need pizza, I want it because it tastes good.
I don't think you're going to meet your goal any faster if you eat healthier because weight loss always boils down to CICO... not the micronutrient profiles of each food you eat - or is that not what you're saying?
Either way; the stuff you're preaching sounds miserable. How are you going to handle eating out with friends or family if you're offered a cheese cake?
Wrong way round, sugar is a form of carb.
Miserable? seeing ya body change and transform is the best. why would saying no to cheese cake be hard? lol
I saw my body change and transform without eliminating certain foods from my diet. You don't have to eliminate foods to lose weight. As long as you have a calorie deficit, you can still have pizza or cake.0 -
It's cool if ppl wanna eat what they want and meet their goals and they are happy with that. At the end of the day its about what makes you happy.0
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lovellm122 wrote: »It's cool if ppl wanna eat what they want and meet their goals and they are happy with that. At the end of the day its about what makes you happy.
And what can be sustained, longterm.0 -
rainbowbow wrote: »lovellm122 wrote: »It's cool if ppl wanna eat what they want and meet their goals and they are happy with that. At the end of the day its about what makes you happy.
And what can be sustained, longterm.rainbowbow wrote: »lovellm122 wrote: »It's cool if ppl wanna eat what they want and meet their goals and they are happy with that. At the end of the day its about what makes you happy.
And what can be sustained, longterm.
Yeah. One of the reasons I'm regimented. Fitness for life
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lovellm122 wrote: »It's cool if ppl wanna eat what they want and meet their goals and they are happy with that. At the end of the day its about what makes you happy.
If that is truly what you think, you might want to avoid writing things like "Also forget about moderation if you want to achieve."
Some people may find lasting success through permanently eliminating certain foods from their diets. But many others have found success with moderation. Telling a new user to "forget about moderation" isn't helpful.0 -
Wow. My first post ever started with a bang. Haha0
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Why would i avoid giving advice which brings great results? It may not be your system. But it works. I'm not gonna stop believing in something which works well. When did you get to decide 'what isnt helpful' or saying 'avoid writing things like this'? If it is not your mentality then don't listen. Ppl can take in what ever information they can and make things work for them.....0
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lovellm122 wrote: »Why would i avoid giving advice which brings great results? It may not be your system. But it works. I'm not gonna stop believing in something which works well. When did you get to decide 'what isnt helpful' or saying 'avoid writing things like this'? If it is not your mentality then don't listen. Ppl can take in what ever information they can and make things work for them.....
Well when you say "forget about moderation if you want to achieve."... there is an instant conflict with a lot of MFP's members who are very successful and eat whatever they want in moderation... check the success stories thread section.0 -
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IsaackGMOON wrote: »lovellm122 wrote: »Why would i avoid giving advice which brings great results? It may not be your system. But it works. I'm not gonna stop believing in something which works well. When did you get to decide 'what isnt helpful' or saying 'avoid writing things like this'? If it is not your mentality then don't listen. Ppl can take in what ever information they can and make things work for them.....
Well when you say "forget about moderation if you want to achieve."... there is an instant conflict with a lot of MFP's members who are very successful and eat whatever they want in moderation... check the success stories thread section.
There will be lots of great success stories. Its just my personal belief that we can be the best by eating as well as we can.0 -
lovellm122 wrote: »Why would i avoid giving advice which brings great results? It may not be your system. But it works. I'm not gonna stop believing in something which works well. When did you get to decide 'what isnt helpful' or saying 'avoid writing things like this'? If it is not your mentality then don't listen. Ppl can take in what ever information they can and make things work for them.....
Why would you give advice in definite terms when you freely admit that it is your personal experience and other people will not have it work for them? You don't know anything about OP. It's unkind to advise a newbie to "forget moderation" when you don't even know if she is like you (willing to never again have a piece of cake in her entire life) or like the many successful maintainers here who sometimes have cake.
Why not say "This is what has worked for me" from the beginning?0 -
lovellm122 wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »lovellm122 wrote: »Why would i avoid giving advice which brings great results? It may not be your system. But it works. I'm not gonna stop believing in something which works well. When did you get to decide 'what isnt helpful' or saying 'avoid writing things like this'? If it is not your mentality then don't listen. Ppl can take in what ever information they can and make things work for them.....
Well when you say "forget about moderation if you want to achieve."... there is an instant conflict with a lot of MFP's members who are very successful and eat whatever they want in moderation... check the success stories thread section.
There will be lots of great success stories. Its just my personal belief that we can be the best by eating as well as we can.
Right... ok.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »lovellm122 wrote: »Why would i avoid giving advice which brings great results? It may not be your system. But it works. I'm not gonna stop believing in something which works well. When did you get to decide 'what isnt helpful' or saying 'avoid writing things like this'? If it is not your mentality then don't listen. Ppl can take in what ever information they can and make things work for them.....
Why would you give advice in definite terms when you freely admit that it is your personal experience and other people will not have it work for them? You don't know anything about OP. It's unkind to advise a newbie to "forget moderation" when you don't even know if she is like you (willing to never again have a piece of cake in her entire life) or like the many successful maintainers here who sometimes have cake.
Why not say "This is what has worked for me" from the beginning?
If i would have said at the start of my first relpy "This is what has worked for me", would you have not got your jimmies rustled so much? You would have started moaning anyway. All i said to OP was that from the diet log there are better things to eat than pizza and peanut butter lol.
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My father donated a kidney to my mother, at ages 71 and 69 respectively. It was a very positive experience for my whole family.
Getting in the habit of tracking now is a great idea. After the surgery, there will be a period of time when you need to eat carefully and get quite a bit of protein as you recover. If you are already in the habit of tracking, you are making things much easier for yourself.
Of course clean eating is an amorphous concept, but moving in the direction of eating less high-fat, high-salt, processed food is a good idea for long-term health. With only one kidney, you may find that your blood pressure goes up a bit or becomes harder to manage as you age. A cleaner diet will be helpful in dealing with this.
Good luck to you!0 -
Good post Azulvioleta, I was just thinking along the after op lines too, you put down what I was thinking so well. Nice to hear from someone with a past experience.
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I just wanted to say good on you for donating your kidney, you are very brave. That is an amazing thing to do and I wish both you and the other person all the best.0
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azulvioleta6 wrote: »My father donated a kidney to my mother, at ages 71 and 69 respectively. It was a very positive experience for my whole family.
Getting in the habit of tracking now is a great idea. After the surgery, there will be a period of time when you need to eat carefully and get quite a bit of protein as you recover. If you are already in the habit of tracking, you are making things much easier for yourself.
Of course clean eating is an amorphous concept, but moving in the direction of eating less high-fat, high-salt, processed food is a good idea for long-term health. With only one kidney, you may find that your blood pressure goes up a bit or becomes harder to manage as you age. A cleaner diet will be helpful in dealing with this.
Good luck to you!
Thank you for the tips.
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Thank you. Never something I thought I would do in a million years, but God just lead me to this and has given me such a peace about it that there is no doubt.I just wanted to say good on you for donating your kidney, you are very brave. That is an amazing thing to do and I wish both you and the other person all the best.0
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