Hello!! Thoughts on the 70% nutrition, 30% gym mentality??
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In the end it doesn't matter how you create a calorie deficit, but most people will tell you it's easier eating less than burning more.0
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This! Why do you need a calculator at all?DeguelloTex wrote: »
You're 100% wrong. You don't even need a calculator. All you need is a scale. If you're losing weight, you're in a deficit. If you're not, you aren't. Adjust your intake and/or exercise accordingly. There is absolutely no reason at all, period, why you need to know how many calories you're burning in order to form a weight loss plan. None at all.
Its not possible. ALL the calculators will use some estimate of how much you burn.DeguelloTex wrote: »
Yes, you most certainly can. Why do you think you can't?
That's true enough. But you cannot plan it out, doing math and counting calories to eat X amount of food, if you have no idea what you're burning.DeguelloTex wrote: »You don't have to have any idea whatsoever how many calories you burn to know if you're in a calorie deficit. If your weight goes down over time, you're in one. If is doesn't, you're not.
Why is it not possible to know if you're in a deficit and do math and planning without knowing how much you burn? You keep skipping that part.
Because it's hard to adjust calories in if you're not tracking them?0 -
Some people like to know what contribution they are making from food deficit and exercise. Its all estimates. Some people dont and can adjust on whether they lose or gain. Just becayse you dont need it doesnt mean its any less valid or helpful for others.0
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What is "them"?sheldonklein wrote: »
This! Why do you need a calculator at all?DeguelloTex wrote: »
You're 100% wrong. You don't even need a calculator. All you need is a scale. If you're losing weight, you're in a deficit. If you're not, you aren't. Adjust your intake and/or exercise accordingly. There is absolutely no reason at all, period, why you need to know how many calories you're burning in order to form a weight loss plan. None at all.
Its not possible. ALL the calculators will use some estimate of how much you burn.DeguelloTex wrote: »
Yes, you most certainly can. Why do you think you can't?
That's true enough. But you cannot plan it out, doing math and counting calories to eat X amount of food, if you have no idea what you're burning.DeguelloTex wrote: »You don't have to have any idea whatsoever how many calories you burn to know if you're in a calorie deficit. If your weight goes down over time, you're in one. If is doesn't, you're not.
Why is it not possible to know if you're in a deficit and do math and planning without knowing how much you burn? You keep skipping that part.
Because it's hard to adjust calories in if you're not tracking them?
She's talking about tracking burn, not calories.
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I don't think you're following what I'm saying and would encourage you to re-read what has actually been said.DeguelloTex wrote: »
You're 100% wrong. You don't even need a calculator. All you need is a scale. If you're losing weight, you're in a deficit. If you're not, you aren't. Adjust your intake and/or exercise accordingly. There is absolutely no reason at all, period, why you need to know how many calories you're burning in order to form a weight loss plan. None at all.
Its not possible. ALL the calculators will use some estimate of how much you burn.DeguelloTex wrote: »
Yes, you most certainly can. Why do you think you can't?
That's true enough. But you cannot plan it out, doing math and counting calories to eat X amount of food, if you have no idea what you're burning.DeguelloTex wrote: »You don't have to have any idea whatsoever how many calories you burn to know if you're in a calorie deficit. If your weight goes down over time, you're in one. If is doesn't, you're not.
Why is it not possible to know if you're in a deficit and do math and planning without knowing how much you burn? You keep skipping that part.
I 100% agree that you don't need to know what you burn or how many calories you've eaten in order to lose weight. No math, no scales, no nothing. You can lose weight without all of that. 0 -
DeguelloTex wrote: »
You're 100% wrong. You don't even need a calculator. All you need is a scale. If you're losing weight, you're in a deficit. If you're not, you aren't. Adjust your intake and/or exercise accordingly. There is absolutely no reason at all, period, why you need to know how many calories you're burning in order to form a weight loss plan. None at all.
Its not possible. ALL the calculators will use some estimate of how much you burn.DeguelloTex wrote: »
Yes, you most certainly can. Why do you think you can't?
That's true enough. But you cannot plan it out, doing math and counting calories to eat X amount of food, if you have no idea what you're burning.DeguelloTex wrote: »You don't have to have any idea whatsoever how many calories you burn to know if you're in a calorie deficit. If your weight goes down over time, you're in one. If is doesn't, you're not.
Why is it not possible to know if you're in a deficit and do math and planning without knowing how much you burn? You keep skipping that part.
If you don't have any idea about the calories you're eating there's no way to properly adjust your intake unless you're eating the same thing every day, though. With exercise that's simple unless you do a different kind of sport every time.0 -
We're talking about different things. Tracking calories in is extremely important. It's calories out that I do not concern myself with.sheldonklein wrote: »
This! Why do you need a calculator at all?DeguelloTex wrote: »
You're 100% wrong. You don't even need a calculator. All you need is a scale. If you're losing weight, you're in a deficit. If you're not, you aren't. Adjust your intake and/or exercise accordingly. There is absolutely no reason at all, period, why you need to know how many calories you're burning in order to form a weight loss plan. None at all.
Its not possible. ALL the calculators will use some estimate of how much you burn.DeguelloTex wrote: »
Yes, you most certainly can. Why do you think you can't?
That's true enough. But you cannot plan it out, doing math and counting calories to eat X amount of food, if you have no idea what you're burning.DeguelloTex wrote: »You don't have to have any idea whatsoever how many calories you burn to know if you're in a calorie deficit. If your weight goes down over time, you're in one. If is doesn't, you're not.
Why is it not possible to know if you're in a deficit and do math and planning without knowing how much you burn? You keep skipping that part.
Because it's hard to adjust calories in if you're not tracking them?
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This! Why do you need a calculator at all?DeguelloTex wrote: »
You're 100% wrong. You don't even need a calculator. All you need is a scale. If you're losing weight, you're in a deficit. If you're not, you aren't. Adjust your intake and/or exercise accordingly. There is absolutely no reason at all, period, why you need to know how many calories you're burning in order to form a weight loss plan. None at all.
Its not possible. ALL the calculators will use some estimate of how much you burn.DeguelloTex wrote: »
Yes, you most certainly can. Why do you think you can't?
That's true enough. But you cannot plan it out, doing math and counting calories to eat X amount of food, if you have no idea what you're burning.DeguelloTex wrote: »You don't have to have any idea whatsoever how many calories you burn to know if you're in a calorie deficit. If your weight goes down over time, you're in one. If is doesn't, you're not.
Why is it not possible to know if you're in a deficit and do math and planning without knowing how much you burn? You keep skipping that part.
You don't. You don't need to log, weigh, or calculate anything. I was just saying that if you're going to be counting calories and eating up to a total number of calories, you will have to factor in how much you burn to get that total. All the online calculators do that.0 -
Most online calculators just ask for your general level of activity. You in no way need to have a number of calories burned. It really doesn't matter anyway. Simplest way to know if you are in a deficit: Just eat any number of calories under the sun that you choose. Did you lose weight after a few weeks? If yes, deficit achieved! If no, reduce intake no deficit is present...
This! Why do you need a calculator at all?DeguelloTex wrote: »
You're 100% wrong. You don't even need a calculator. All you need is a scale. If you're losing weight, you're in a deficit. If you're not, you aren't. Adjust your intake and/or exercise accordingly. There is absolutely no reason at all, period, why you need to know how many calories you're burning in order to form a weight loss plan. None at all.
Its not possible. ALL the calculators will use some estimate of how much you burn.DeguelloTex wrote: »
Yes, you most certainly can. Why do you think you can't?
That's true enough. But you cannot plan it out, doing math and counting calories to eat X amount of food, if you have no idea what you're burning.DeguelloTex wrote: »You don't have to have any idea whatsoever how many calories you burn to know if you're in a calorie deficit. If your weight goes down over time, you're in one. If is doesn't, you're not.
Why is it not possible to know if you're in a deficit and do math and planning without knowing how much you burn? You keep skipping that part.
You don't. You don't need to log, weigh, or calculate anything. I was just saying that if you're going to be counting calories and eating up to a total number of calories, you will have to factor in how much you burn to get that total. All the online calculators do that.
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DeguelloTex wrote: »
What is "them"?sheldonklein wrote: »
This! Why do you need a calculator at all?DeguelloTex wrote: »
You're 100% wrong. You don't even need a calculator. All you need is a scale. If you're losing weight, you're in a deficit. If you're not, you aren't. Adjust your intake and/or exercise accordingly. There is absolutely no reason at all, period, why you need to know how many calories you're burning in order to form a weight loss plan. None at all.
Its not possible. ALL the calculators will use some estimate of how much you burn.DeguelloTex wrote: »
Yes, you most certainly can. Why do you think you can't?
That's true enough. But you cannot plan it out, doing math and counting calories to eat X amount of food, if you have no idea what you're burning.DeguelloTex wrote: »You don't have to have any idea whatsoever how many calories you burn to know if you're in a calorie deficit. If your weight goes down over time, you're in one. If is doesn't, you're not.
Why is it not possible to know if you're in a deficit and do math and planning without knowing how much you burn? You keep skipping that part.
Because it's hard to adjust calories in if you're not tracking them?
She's talking about tracking burn, not calories.
I was agreeing with you, I think. "Them" was calories in.
EDIT: and I agree with Vismal as well. Just crossed wires.0 -
We're talking about different things. Tracking calories in is extremely important. It's calories out that I do not concern myself with.Because it's hard to adjust calories in if you're not tracking them?
You arent everyone though. If you burn a significant amount then those calories count towards the deficit. You would need an idea of how many you have burned to know how many you needed to eat back. If you wnat to rely just on the scale thats fine, but that method has a longer lead in time .0 -
Your level of activity, your height, your weight...it's all factored in. They take a guess at what you're burning to come up with a number of what you should be taking in.
Most online calculators just ask for your general level of activity. You in no way need to have a number of calories burned. It really doesn't matter anyway. Simplest way to know if you are in a deficit: Just eat any number of calories under the sun that you choose. Did you lose weight after a few weeks? If yes, deficit achieved! If no, reduce intake no deficit is present...
This! Why do you need a calculator at all?DeguelloTex wrote: »
You're 100% wrong. You don't even need a calculator. All you need is a scale. If you're losing weight, you're in a deficit. If you're not, you aren't. Adjust your intake and/or exercise accordingly. There is absolutely no reason at all, period, why you need to know how many calories you're burning in order to form a weight loss plan. None at all.
Its not possible. ALL the calculators will use some estimate of how much you burn.DeguelloTex wrote: »
Yes, you most certainly can. Why do you think you can't?
That's true enough. But you cannot plan it out, doing math and counting calories to eat X amount of food, if you have no idea what you're burning.DeguelloTex wrote: »You don't have to have any idea whatsoever how many calories you burn to know if you're in a calorie deficit. If your weight goes down over time, you're in one. If is doesn't, you're not.
Why is it not possible to know if you're in a deficit and do math and planning without knowing how much you burn? You keep skipping that part.
You don't. You don't need to log, weigh, or calculate anything. I was just saying that if you're going to be counting calories and eating up to a total number of calories, you will have to factor in how much you burn to get that total. All the online calculators do that.
You can ignore your activity. You can ignore what you eat. But your body won't. Your body counts all of it.
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rainbowbow wrote: »I don't like it when i hear this. It's my opinion, that you should be putting 100% effort into both your diet and exercise goals. Both are equally important to me.
1.) for my fitness
1.) for my weight management
The 70/30 or 80/20 makes it seem like one is less important than the other for my overall health.
200%...is that what they be teachin' in that new common core maths?
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You don't have to factor in how much you burn. You just don't. I don't know what words can make you understand that. The scale is the evidence of whether you're burning more than you're eating or not. That's all you need.
This! Why do you need a calculator at all?DeguelloTex wrote: »
You're 100% wrong. You don't even need a calculator. All you need is a scale. If you're losing weight, you're in a deficit. If you're not, you aren't. Adjust your intake and/or exercise accordingly. There is absolutely no reason at all, period, why you need to know how many calories you're burning in order to form a weight loss plan. None at all.
Its not possible. ALL the calculators will use some estimate of how much you burn.DeguelloTex wrote: »
Yes, you most certainly can. Why do you think you can't?
That's true enough. But you cannot plan it out, doing math and counting calories to eat X amount of food, if you have no idea what you're burning.DeguelloTex wrote: »You don't have to have any idea whatsoever how many calories you burn to know if you're in a calorie deficit. If your weight goes down over time, you're in one. If is doesn't, you're not.
Why is it not possible to know if you're in a deficit and do math and planning without knowing how much you burn? You keep skipping that part.
You don't. You don't need to log, weigh, or calculate anything. I was just saying that if you're going to be counting calories and eating up to a total number of calories, you will have to factor in how much you burn to get that total. All the online calculators do that.
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If you use a TDEE method you don't eat calories back. It is FAR simpler to do it that way. Many people ruin their entire deficit by over-estimating burned calories and eating them back. Most everyone on here agrees not to eat all their burned calories back. I do not see the advantage of taking a very much estimated number (calories burned) and then eating back an arbitrary percentage of the estimated number. Seems like an awful lot of unknowns. If you do not eat back any burned calories, and simply focus on one, fairly controllable variable, calories in, it's much less of a hassle and much less of a chance of going wrong.You arent everyone though. If you burn a significant amount then those calories count towards the deficit. You would need an idea of how many you have burned to know how many you needed to eat back. If you wnat to rely just on the scale thats fine, but that method has a longer lead in time .
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I'm not saying you don't need to track calories. I'm saying you don't need to know how much you burn in order to plan and succeed.stevencloser wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
You're 100% wrong. You don't even need a calculator. All you need is a scale. If you're losing weight, you're in a deficit. If you're not, you aren't. Adjust your intake and/or exercise accordingly. There is absolutely no reason at all, period, why you need to know how many calories you're burning in order to form a weight loss plan. None at all.
Its not possible. ALL the calculators will use some estimate of how much you burn.DeguelloTex wrote: »
Yes, you most certainly can. Why do you think you can't?
That's true enough. But you cannot plan it out, doing math and counting calories to eat X amount of food, if you have no idea what you're burning.DeguelloTex wrote: »You don't have to have any idea whatsoever how many calories you burn to know if you're in a calorie deficit. If your weight goes down over time, you're in one. If is doesn't, you're not.
Why is it not possible to know if you're in a deficit and do math and planning without knowing how much you burn? You keep skipping that part.
If you don't have any idea about the calories you're eating there's no way to properly adjust your intake unless you're eating the same thing every day, though. With exercise that's simple unless you do a different kind of sport every time.
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No one is saying to ignore anything. What your body counts -- what shows up on the scale -- is the ultimate judge. That's what you need to know.
Your level of activity, your height, your weight...it's all factored in. They take a guess at what you're burning to come up with a number of what you should be taking in.
Most online calculators just ask for your general level of activity. You in no way need to have a number of calories burned. It really doesn't matter anyway. Simplest way to know if you are in a deficit: Just eat any number of calories under the sun that you choose. Did you lose weight after a few weeks? If yes, deficit achieved! If no, reduce intake no deficit is present...
This! Why do you need a calculator at all?DeguelloTex wrote: »
You're 100% wrong. You don't even need a calculator. All you need is a scale. If you're losing weight, you're in a deficit. If you're not, you aren't. Adjust your intake and/or exercise accordingly. There is absolutely no reason at all, period, why you need to know how many calories you're burning in order to form a weight loss plan. None at all.
Its not possible. ALL the calculators will use some estimate of how much you burn.DeguelloTex wrote: »
Yes, you most certainly can. Why do you think you can't?
That's true enough. But you cannot plan it out, doing math and counting calories to eat X amount of food, if you have no idea what you're burning.DeguelloTex wrote: »You don't have to have any idea whatsoever how many calories you burn to know if you're in a calorie deficit. If your weight goes down over time, you're in one. If is doesn't, you're not.
Why is it not possible to know if you're in a deficit and do math and planning without knowing how much you burn? You keep skipping that part.
You don't. You don't need to log, weigh, or calculate anything. I was just saying that if you're going to be counting calories and eating up to a total number of calories, you will have to factor in how much you burn to get that total. All the online calculators do that.
You can ignore your activity. You can ignore what you eat. But your body won't. Your body counts all of it.
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The TDEE is also taking a guess at what you'll be burning.
If you use a TDEE method you don't eat calories back. It is FAR simpler to do it that way. Many people ruin their entire deficit by over-estimating burned calories and eating them back. Most everyone on here agrees not to eat all their burned calories back. I do not see the advantage of taking a very much estimated number (calories burned) and then eating back an arbitrary percentage of the estimated number. Seems like an awful lot of unknowns. If you do not eat back any burned calories, and simply focus on one, fairly controllable variable, calories in, it's much less of a hassle and much less of a chance of going wrong.You arent everyone though. If you burn a significant amount then those calories count towards the deficit. You would need an idea of how many you have burned to know how many you needed to eat back. If you wnat to rely just on the scale thats fine, but that method has a longer lead in time .
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I am done with this. It's been explained. You disagree. I'm cool with that.DeguelloTex wrote: »
You don't have to factor in how much you burn. You just don't. I don't know what words can make you understand that. The scale is the evidence of whether you're burning more than you're eating or not. That's all you need.
This! Why do you need a calculator at all?DeguelloTex wrote: »
You're 100% wrong. You don't even need a calculator. All you need is a scale. If you're losing weight, you're in a deficit. If you're not, you aren't. Adjust your intake and/or exercise accordingly. There is absolutely no reason at all, period, why you need to know how many calories you're burning in order to form a weight loss plan. None at all.
Its not possible. ALL the calculators will use some estimate of how much you burn.DeguelloTex wrote: »
Yes, you most certainly can. Why do you think you can't?
That's true enough. But you cannot plan it out, doing math and counting calories to eat X amount of food, if you have no idea what you're burning.DeguelloTex wrote: »You don't have to have any idea whatsoever how many calories you burn to know if you're in a calorie deficit. If your weight goes down over time, you're in one. If is doesn't, you're not.
Why is it not possible to know if you're in a deficit and do math and planning without knowing how much you burn? You keep skipping that part.
You don't. You don't need to log, weigh, or calculate anything. I was just saying that if you're going to be counting calories and eating up to a total number of calories, you will have to factor in how much you burn to get that total. All the online calculators do that.
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