Hello!! Thoughts on the 70% nutrition, 30% gym mentality??
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We're talking about different things. Tracking calories in is extremely important. It's calories out that I do not concern myself with.Because it's hard to adjust calories in if you're not tracking them?
You arent everyone though. If you burn a significant amount then those calories count towards the deficit. You would need an idea of how many you have burned to know how many you needed to eat back. If you wnat to rely just on the scale thats fine, but that method has a longer lead in time .0 -
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Your level of activity, your height, your weight...it's all factored in. They take a guess at what you're burning to come up with a number of what you should be taking in.
Most online calculators just ask for your general level of activity. You in no way need to have a number of calories burned. It really doesn't matter anyway. Simplest way to know if you are in a deficit: Just eat any number of calories under the sun that you choose. Did you lose weight after a few weeks? If yes, deficit achieved! If no, reduce intake no deficit is present...
This! Why do you need a calculator at all?DeguelloTex wrote: »
You're 100% wrong. You don't even need a calculator. All you need is a scale. If you're losing weight, you're in a deficit. If you're not, you aren't. Adjust your intake and/or exercise accordingly. There is absolutely no reason at all, period, why you need to know how many calories you're burning in order to form a weight loss plan. None at all.
Its not possible. ALL the calculators will use some estimate of how much you burn.DeguelloTex wrote: »
Yes, you most certainly can. Why do you think you can't?
That's true enough. But you cannot plan it out, doing math and counting calories to eat X amount of food, if you have no idea what you're burning.DeguelloTex wrote: »You don't have to have any idea whatsoever how many calories you burn to know if you're in a calorie deficit. If your weight goes down over time, you're in one. If is doesn't, you're not.
Why is it not possible to know if you're in a deficit and do math and planning without knowing how much you burn? You keep skipping that part.
You don't. You don't need to log, weigh, or calculate anything. I was just saying that if you're going to be counting calories and eating up to a total number of calories, you will have to factor in how much you burn to get that total. All the online calculators do that.
You can ignore your activity. You can ignore what you eat. But your body won't. Your body counts all of it.
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rainbowbow wrote: »I don't like it when i hear this. It's my opinion, that you should be putting 100% effort into both your diet and exercise goals. Both are equally important to me.
1.) for my fitness
1.) for my weight management
The 70/30 or 80/20 makes it seem like one is less important than the other for my overall health.
200%...is that what they be teachin' in that new common core maths?
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You don't have to factor in how much you burn. You just don't. I don't know what words can make you understand that. The scale is the evidence of whether you're burning more than you're eating or not. That's all you need.
This! Why do you need a calculator at all?DeguelloTex wrote: »
You're 100% wrong. You don't even need a calculator. All you need is a scale. If you're losing weight, you're in a deficit. If you're not, you aren't. Adjust your intake and/or exercise accordingly. There is absolutely no reason at all, period, why you need to know how many calories you're burning in order to form a weight loss plan. None at all.
Its not possible. ALL the calculators will use some estimate of how much you burn.DeguelloTex wrote: »
Yes, you most certainly can. Why do you think you can't?
That's true enough. But you cannot plan it out, doing math and counting calories to eat X amount of food, if you have no idea what you're burning.DeguelloTex wrote: »You don't have to have any idea whatsoever how many calories you burn to know if you're in a calorie deficit. If your weight goes down over time, you're in one. If is doesn't, you're not.
Why is it not possible to know if you're in a deficit and do math and planning without knowing how much you burn? You keep skipping that part.
You don't. You don't need to log, weigh, or calculate anything. I was just saying that if you're going to be counting calories and eating up to a total number of calories, you will have to factor in how much you burn to get that total. All the online calculators do that.
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If you use a TDEE method you don't eat calories back. It is FAR simpler to do it that way. Many people ruin their entire deficit by over-estimating burned calories and eating them back. Most everyone on here agrees not to eat all their burned calories back. I do not see the advantage of taking a very much estimated number (calories burned) and then eating back an arbitrary percentage of the estimated number. Seems like an awful lot of unknowns. If you do not eat back any burned calories, and simply focus on one, fairly controllable variable, calories in, it's much less of a hassle and much less of a chance of going wrong.You arent everyone though. If you burn a significant amount then those calories count towards the deficit. You would need an idea of how many you have burned to know how many you needed to eat back. If you wnat to rely just on the scale thats fine, but that method has a longer lead in time .
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I'm not saying you don't need to track calories. I'm saying you don't need to know how much you burn in order to plan and succeed.stevencloser wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
You're 100% wrong. You don't even need a calculator. All you need is a scale. If you're losing weight, you're in a deficit. If you're not, you aren't. Adjust your intake and/or exercise accordingly. There is absolutely no reason at all, period, why you need to know how many calories you're burning in order to form a weight loss plan. None at all.
Its not possible. ALL the calculators will use some estimate of how much you burn.DeguelloTex wrote: »
Yes, you most certainly can. Why do you think you can't?
That's true enough. But you cannot plan it out, doing math and counting calories to eat X amount of food, if you have no idea what you're burning.DeguelloTex wrote: »You don't have to have any idea whatsoever how many calories you burn to know if you're in a calorie deficit. If your weight goes down over time, you're in one. If is doesn't, you're not.
Why is it not possible to know if you're in a deficit and do math and planning without knowing how much you burn? You keep skipping that part.
If you don't have any idea about the calories you're eating there's no way to properly adjust your intake unless you're eating the same thing every day, though. With exercise that's simple unless you do a different kind of sport every time.
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No one is saying to ignore anything. What your body counts -- what shows up on the scale -- is the ultimate judge. That's what you need to know.
Your level of activity, your height, your weight...it's all factored in. They take a guess at what you're burning to come up with a number of what you should be taking in.
Most online calculators just ask for your general level of activity. You in no way need to have a number of calories burned. It really doesn't matter anyway. Simplest way to know if you are in a deficit: Just eat any number of calories under the sun that you choose. Did you lose weight after a few weeks? If yes, deficit achieved! If no, reduce intake no deficit is present...
This! Why do you need a calculator at all?DeguelloTex wrote: »
You're 100% wrong. You don't even need a calculator. All you need is a scale. If you're losing weight, you're in a deficit. If you're not, you aren't. Adjust your intake and/or exercise accordingly. There is absolutely no reason at all, period, why you need to know how many calories you're burning in order to form a weight loss plan. None at all.
Its not possible. ALL the calculators will use some estimate of how much you burn.DeguelloTex wrote: »
Yes, you most certainly can. Why do you think you can't?
That's true enough. But you cannot plan it out, doing math and counting calories to eat X amount of food, if you have no idea what you're burning.DeguelloTex wrote: »You don't have to have any idea whatsoever how many calories you burn to know if you're in a calorie deficit. If your weight goes down over time, you're in one. If is doesn't, you're not.
Why is it not possible to know if you're in a deficit and do math and planning without knowing how much you burn? You keep skipping that part.
You don't. You don't need to log, weigh, or calculate anything. I was just saying that if you're going to be counting calories and eating up to a total number of calories, you will have to factor in how much you burn to get that total. All the online calculators do that.
You can ignore your activity. You can ignore what you eat. But your body won't. Your body counts all of it.
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The TDEE is also taking a guess at what you'll be burning.
If you use a TDEE method you don't eat calories back. It is FAR simpler to do it that way. Many people ruin their entire deficit by over-estimating burned calories and eating them back. Most everyone on here agrees not to eat all their burned calories back. I do not see the advantage of taking a very much estimated number (calories burned) and then eating back an arbitrary percentage of the estimated number. Seems like an awful lot of unknowns. If you do not eat back any burned calories, and simply focus on one, fairly controllable variable, calories in, it's much less of a hassle and much less of a chance of going wrong.You arent everyone though. If you burn a significant amount then those calories count towards the deficit. You would need an idea of how many you have burned to know how many you needed to eat back. If you wnat to rely just on the scale thats fine, but that method has a longer lead in time .
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I am done with this. It's been explained. You disagree. I'm cool with that.DeguelloTex wrote: »
You don't have to factor in how much you burn. You just don't. I don't know what words can make you understand that. The scale is the evidence of whether you're burning more than you're eating or not. That's all you need.
This! Why do you need a calculator at all?DeguelloTex wrote: »
You're 100% wrong. You don't even need a calculator. All you need is a scale. If you're losing weight, you're in a deficit. If you're not, you aren't. Adjust your intake and/or exercise accordingly. There is absolutely no reason at all, period, why you need to know how many calories you're burning in order to form a weight loss plan. None at all.
Its not possible. ALL the calculators will use some estimate of how much you burn.DeguelloTex wrote: »
Yes, you most certainly can. Why do you think you can't?
That's true enough. But you cannot plan it out, doing math and counting calories to eat X amount of food, if you have no idea what you're burning.DeguelloTex wrote: »You don't have to have any idea whatsoever how many calories you burn to know if you're in a calorie deficit. If your weight goes down over time, you're in one. If is doesn't, you're not.
Why is it not possible to know if you're in a deficit and do math and planning without knowing how much you burn? You keep skipping that part.
You don't. You don't need to log, weigh, or calculate anything. I was just saying that if you're going to be counting calories and eating up to a total number of calories, you will have to factor in how much you burn to get that total. All the online calculators do that.
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But it can work. It isn't impossible to do it that way, regardless of what @Kalikel says about it.You arent everyone though. If you burn a significant amount then those calories count towards the deficit. You would need an idea of how many you have burned to know how many you needed to eat back. If you wnat to rely just on the scale thats fine, but that method has a longer lead in time .
And, ultimately, the scale, not a calculator, gives the real answer, right?
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To paraphrase Yogi Berra, weight loss is 80% diet, 20% exercise. And vice versa.0
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It hasn't been explained. Everyone here says you're wrong, but you still think you aren't. Par for the course.
I am done with this. It's been explained. You disagree. I'm cool with that.DeguelloTex wrote: »
You don't have to factor in how much you burn. You just don't. I don't know what words can make you understand that. The scale is the evidence of whether you're burning more than you're eating or not. That's all you need.
This! Why do you need a calculator at all?DeguelloTex wrote: »
You're 100% wrong. You don't even need a calculator. All you need is a scale. If you're losing weight, you're in a deficit. If you're not, you aren't. Adjust your intake and/or exercise accordingly. There is absolutely no reason at all, period, why you need to know how many calories you're burning in order to form a weight loss plan. None at all.
Its not possible. ALL the calculators will use some estimate of how much you burn.DeguelloTex wrote: »
Yes, you most certainly can. Why do you think you can't?
That's true enough. But you cannot plan it out, doing math and counting calories to eat X amount of food, if you have no idea what you're burning.DeguelloTex wrote: »You don't have to have any idea whatsoever how many calories you burn to know if you're in a calorie deficit. If your weight goes down over time, you're in one. If is doesn't, you're not.
Why is it not possible to know if you're in a deficit and do math and planning without knowing how much you burn? You keep skipping that part.
You don't. You don't need to log, weigh, or calculate anything. I was just saying that if you're going to be counting calories and eating up to a total number of calories, you will have to factor in how much you burn to get that total. All the online calculators do that.
It's been explained why you're wrong and why knowing burn isn't necessary to plan and lose weight. You've yet to explain why knowing burn is necessary to planning and losing weight. Again, par for the course.
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This! Why do you need a calculator at all?DeguelloTex wrote: »
You're 100% wrong. You don't even need a calculator. All you need is a scale. If you're losing weight, you're in a deficit. If you're not, you aren't. Adjust your intake and/or exercise accordingly. There is absolutely no reason at all, period, why you need to know how many calories you're burning in order to form a weight loss plan. None at all.
Its not possible. ALL the calculators will use some estimate of how much you burn.DeguelloTex wrote: »
Yes, you most certainly can. Why do you think you can't?
That's true enough. But you cannot plan it out, doing math and counting calories to eat X amount of food, if you have no idea what you're burning.DeguelloTex wrote: »You don't have to have any idea whatsoever how many calories you burn to know if you're in a calorie deficit. If your weight goes down over time, you're in one. If is doesn't, you're not.
Why is it not possible to know if you're in a deficit and do math and planning without knowing how much you burn? You keep skipping that part.
Because it's hard to adjust calories in if you're not tracking them?
no it's not...
I haven't tracked a damn thing in over two years...in that two year time I have maintained, done a deliberate bulk over the winter, and cut again...all without tracking a damned thing...it's actually really easy.0 -
Your level of activity, your height, your weight...it's all factored in. They take a guess at what you're burning to come up with a number of what you should be taking in.
Most online calculators just ask for your general level of activity. You in no way need to have a number of calories burned. It really doesn't matter anyway. Simplest way to know if you are in a deficit: Just eat any number of calories under the sun that you choose. Did you lose weight after a few weeks? If yes, deficit achieved! If no, reduce intake no deficit is present...
This! Why do you need a calculator at all?DeguelloTex wrote: »
You're 100% wrong. You don't even need a calculator. All you need is a scale. If you're losing weight, you're in a deficit. If you're not, you aren't. Adjust your intake and/or exercise accordingly. There is absolutely no reason at all, period, why you need to know how many calories you're burning in order to form a weight loss plan. None at all.
Its not possible. ALL the calculators will use some estimate of how much you burn.DeguelloTex wrote: »
Yes, you most certainly can. Why do you think you can't?
That's true enough. But you cannot plan it out, doing math and counting calories to eat X amount of food, if you have no idea what you're burning.DeguelloTex wrote: »You don't have to have any idea whatsoever how many calories you burn to know if you're in a calorie deficit. If your weight goes down over time, you're in one. If is doesn't, you're not.
Why is it not possible to know if you're in a deficit and do math and planning without knowing how much you burn? You keep skipping that part.
You don't. You don't need to log, weigh, or calculate anything. I was just saying that if you're going to be counting calories and eating up to a total number of calories, you will have to factor in how much you burn to get that total. All the online calculators do that.
You can ignore your activity. You can ignore what you eat. But your body won't. Your body counts all of it.
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No. It. Is. Not.
The TDEE is also taking a guess at what you'll be burning.
If you use a TDEE method you don't eat calories back. It is FAR simpler to do it that way. Many people ruin their entire deficit by over-estimating burned calories and eating them back. Most everyone on here agrees not to eat all their burned calories back. I do not see the advantage of taking a very much estimated number (calories burned) and then eating back an arbitrary percentage of the estimated number. Seems like an awful lot of unknowns. If you do not eat back any burned calories, and simply focus on one, fairly controllable variable, calories in, it's much less of a hassle and much less of a chance of going wrong.You arent everyone though. If you burn a significant amount then those calories count towards the deficit. You would need an idea of how many you have burned to know how many you needed to eat back. If you wnat to rely just on the scale thats fine, but that method has a longer lead in time .
(Calorie Intake - (Today's weight - Yesterday's weight) * 3500)
is my daily TDEE. Averaged over time, it gives you TDEE over that time. Nowhere in that calculation do you need to know how many calories you burned. Nowhere. Because it's not necessary to know.
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Let me get this straight. If you lose weight, your TDEE is negative?DeguelloTex wrote: »
No. It. Is. Not.
The TDEE is also taking a guess at what you'll be burning.
If you use a TDEE method you don't eat calories back. It is FAR simpler to do it that way. Many people ruin their entire deficit by over-estimating burned calories and eating them back. Most everyone on here agrees not to eat all their burned calories back. I do not see the advantage of taking a very much estimated number (calories burned) and then eating back an arbitrary percentage of the estimated number. Seems like an awful lot of unknowns. If you do not eat back any burned calories, and simply focus on one, fairly controllable variable, calories in, it's much less of a hassle and much less of a chance of going wrong.You arent everyone though. If you burn a significant amount then those calories count towards the deficit. You would need an idea of how many you have burned to know how many you needed to eat back. If you wnat to rely just on the scale thats fine, but that method has a longer lead in time .
(Calorie Intake - (Today's weight - Yesterday's weight) * 3500)
is my daily TDEE. Averaged over time, it gives you TDEE over that time. Nowhere in that calculation do you need to know how many calories you burned. Nowhere. Because it's not necessary to know.
Edit: Sorry, I posted that before you edited that ridiculous math. Now I have to ask how you're defining "calorie intake."
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I didn't edit the math, I added the enclosing parentheses and put it on its own line to make it more clear.
"Calorie intake" = how many calories you take in; how many calories you eat. That's utterly irrelevant to whether you need to know burn to plan weight loss, though.0 -
Not only did you edit it here, you've posted that [3500 (today's weight - yesterday's weight)] thing before. I just never asked about how you come up with negative numbers when you lose weight before.DeguelloTex wrote: »I didn't edit the math, I added the enclosing parentheses and put it on its own line to make it more clear.
"Calorie intake" = how many calories you take in; how many calories you eat. That's utterly irrelevant to whether you need to know burn to plan weight loss, though.
How many calories you eat how often? Per day? Where do you come up with the calories? Is it just whatever number someone happens to eat on any given day?0 -
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No, I didn't edit the math.
Not only did you edit it here, you've posted that [3500 (today's weight - yesterday's weight)] thing before. I just never asked about how you come up with negative numbers when you lose weight before.DeguelloTex wrote: »I didn't edit the math, I added the enclosing parentheses and put it on its own line to make it more clear.
"Calorie intake" = how many calories you take in; how many calories you eat. That's utterly irrelevant to whether you need to know burn to plan weight loss, though.
How many calories you eat how often? Per day? Where do you come up with the calories? Is it just whatever number someone happens to eat on any given day?
You don't come up with a negative TDEE when you lose weight. Plug some numbers in and see. You're subtracting 3500 calories per pound gained. And, yes, given scale fluctuations the snapshot might be enormously high or low, which is why, like with the weight itself, the trend is the important thing.
Calories eaten per day, since we're comparing daily weights. If you wanted to deal with weekly weights, you'd deal with calories eaten per week.
Yes, it's whatever number the person ate.
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Cant be bothered. youve all got a way that works for you. TDEE is good for maintenance and consistent exercise but I prefer NEAT. I just use common sense really, people fret about very little and overcomplicate things. Theres more prodyctive threads than this one and its really gone way off from what the OP asked and at a level she would find useful.
I like to know how many calories ive burned, but I pay more attention to whether im losing or gaining.0 -
I need to be 100% committed to my nutrition and 100% committed to my fitness.0
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(Calorie Intake - (Today's weight - Yesterday's weight) * 3500)DeguelloTex wrote: »
No, I didn't edit the math.
Not only did you edit it here, you've posted that [3500 (today's weight - yesterday's weight)] thing before. I just never asked about how you come up with negative numbers when you lose weight before.DeguelloTex wrote: »I didn't edit the math, I added the enclosing parentheses and put it on its own line to make it more clear.
"Calorie intake" = how many calories you take in; how many calories you eat. That's utterly irrelevant to whether you need to know burn to plan weight loss, though.
How many calories you eat how often? Per day? Where do you come up with the calories? Is it just whatever number someone happens to eat on any given day?
You don't come up with a negative TDEE when you lose weight. Plug some numbers in and see. You're subtracting 3500 calories per pound gained. And, yes, given scale fluctuations the snapshot might be enormously high or low, which is why, like with the weight itself, the trend is the important thing.
Calories eaten per day, since we're comparing daily weights. If you wanted to deal with weekly weights, you'd deal with calories eaten per week.
Yes, it's whatever number the person ate.
Calorie intake, 1200.
Today's weight, 159
Yesterday's weight, 160
Doing the math, using your equation, what number do you come up with?
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Oh boy. As a disabled person, I can tell you that you don't need exercise to lose weight. When I can't exercise for long periods of time, I am still able to both maintain my weight, and lose weight as I need to. It's entirely dependent on my calorie deficit. When I am able to exercise, I do that for fitness, and add to my calorie deficit some, but it's not necessary at all for either weight loss or maintenance.0
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Oh boy. As a disabled person, I can tell you that you don't need exercise to lose weight. When I can't exercise for long periods of time, I am still able to both maintain my weight, and lose weight as I need to. It's entirely dependent on my calorie deficit. When I am able to exercise, I do that for fitness, and add to my calorie deficit some, but it's not necessary at all for either weight loss or maintenance.
Nobody made any suggestion you had to do exercise, but all things being equal you will be more effective with it.0 -
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Oh boy. As a disabled person, I can tell you that you don't need exercise to lose weight. When I can't exercise for long periods of time, I am still able to both maintain my weight, and lose weight as I need to. It's entirely dependent on my calorie deficit. When I am able to exercise, I do that for fitness, and add to my calorie deficit some, but it's not necessary at all for either weight loss or maintenance.
Nobody made any suggestion you had to do exercise, but all things being equal you will be more effective with it.
It's a direct reply to OP's original question, hello.....0
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