Best Protein Shake? When? BCAA?

xenyen
xenyen Posts: 33 Member
edited November 23 in Food and Nutrition
Hi

What is the best protein shake?
Containing all 8 BCAAs.. creatine etc?

I use it post workout.. and eat oatmeal n eggs at breakfast. With unsweetened coffee.

Want to up my protein to support muscle growth which will help weightloss. Am eating clean.

When is the best time to take it?

Natural sources of BCAAs and HCL are?

thanks!

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  • IsaackGMOON
    IsaackGMOON Posts: 3,358 Member
    edited August 2015
    Well there are really no 'best protein shakes'. The most popular types of protein shakes are split into these categories;

    The most popular types of protein are;
    • Whey (Whey isolate/Whey concentrate)
    • Casein
    • Egg protein
    • Beef protein
    • Pea protein

    The Whey concentrate has more lactose than Whey isolates so it is a better option for people who have problems with digesting lactose. Concentrates and isolates also digest faster I believe, but concentrates generally have a lower proportion of protein than an isolate. Both of these come from milk.

    Casein is a slow digesting protein which also comes from milk. People like to have it before bed to 'drip feed' their muscles while they're sleeping.

    Egg protein has become more popular recently but I've never tried it. I'm not sure if it's slow digesting or fast digesting, but I assume it'll be fast.

    Pea protein is another choice if you don't want to consume any animal products.

    However, onto the subject of "the best protein powder"... there isn't one. Granted, some brands are better than others, but there really isn't a "best protein powder". You need to find one on these terms;
    • What you can afford
    • Mixability (you don't want clumps)
    • Taste (you don't want to buy a 5lb tub of crappy tasting protein)
    • Protein quantity (you want as much protein per scoop as possible)

    Creatine is not a BCAA. Creatine. BCAA's are the 3 branched chain amino acids; leucine, iso-leucine and valine. The majority of whey proteins have around 5g~ of BCAA's and some creatine (usually in the form of creatine monohydrate).

    There isn't a best time to consume your protein powder. It's strictly a convenience food or if you struggle hitting your protein goal.

    Natural sources of your BCAA's are anything with protein I believe. HCl? Hydrochloric acid? Probably not best to eat that.

    Oh and also, if you're eating in a caloric deficit then chances are you're not going to be building any muscle - especially if you're female as you have less testosterone than males. While it is true; "muscle is more metabolically active than fat", you'd have to gain a lot of muscle to have a significant effect in fat burning... it's just logic.


    And clean eating... how are you defining that? Does it not rule out protein shakes? Remember that 'eating clean' does not affect weight loss in any way.
  • xenyen
    xenyen Posts: 33 Member
    Hello

    Thanks for your reply and clarifying, IsaackGMOON, about protein powders. I use a whey isolate powder from Cellucor, cor-performance, which seems fine, though I was thinking next time I need one, I could see what choices there are. I currently bought this from a guy who has a shop is a top trainer over here, whom I asked to recommend a good one.

    By eating clean I mean cutting out processed foods, sugars, etc, now cutting out all fried foods. Eating more protein, veggies and similarly nutrient rich food. Added supplements to cover gaps. As my protein seemed to be low even though I am eating a lot (lots of eggs, fish, beef, beans) I got a protein supplement.

    People notice their hair falling when they work out a lot, and I read this can be because of inadequate protein; well after working out one day several strands came away in my hand and I got the protein supplement immediately. Hair fine so far.

    Anyway, I read this article https://www.muscleandstrength.com/articles/womens-body-bible.html where they suggested that to burn fat, or stored triglycerides, substances including Hordinine HCL, Synephrine HCL, Yohimbine HCL, can help.

    My powder has BCAAs, which apparently help in building muscle... I read recommendations (Jamie Eason) that one should apparently take it separately to be sure to cover all eight types. She also talks about creatine...

    The goal is to lose fat and as little muscle as possible. Am eating at 1500 and working out.

  • IsaackGMOON
    IsaackGMOON Posts: 3,358 Member
    xenyen wrote: »
    Hello

    Thanks for your reply and clarifying, IsaackGMOON, about protein powders. I use a whey isolate powder from Cellucor, cor-performance, which seems fine, though I was thinking next time I need one, I could see what choices there are. I currently bought this from a guy who has a shop is a top trainer over here, whom I asked to recommend a good one.

    By eating clean I mean cutting out processed foods, sugars, etc, now cutting out all fried foods. Eating more protein, veggies and similarly nutrient rich food. Added supplements to cover gaps. As my protein seemed to be low even though I am eating a lot (lots of eggs, fish, beef, beans) I got a protein supplement.

    People notice their hair falling when they work out a lot, and I read this can be because of inadequate protein; well after working out one day several strands came away in my hand and I got the protein supplement immediately. Hair fine so far.

    Anyway, I read this article https://www.muscleandstrength.com/articles/womens-body-bible.html where they suggested that to burn fat, or stored triglycerides, substances including Hordinine HCL, Synephrine HCL, Yohimbine HCL, can help.

    My powder has BCAAs, which apparently help in building muscle... I read recommendations (Jamie Eason) that one should apparently take it separately to be sure to cover all eight types. She also talks about creatine...

    The goal is to lose fat and as little muscle as possible. Am eating at 1500 and working out.

    I think I can tell you why your hair was falling out... you're not logging accurately. Looking at your diary, all I see is "cups", "x servings", "tbsp". You need to tighten up your logging so you know exactly how many calories you are eating. It's all over the place.

    Stop falling for the BS, OP. ALL YOU NEED FOR WEIGHT LOSS IS A CALORIC DEFICIT.

    You're not building muscle in a caloric deficit, especially if you're female and especially if you're eating 1500 calories (as per your dairy). Get it out of your head.

  • sixxpoint
    sixxpoint Posts: 3,529 Member
    edited August 2015
    xenyen wrote: »
    What is the best protein shake?

    That is personal preference. But whole foods would be the best protein option.
    xenyen wrote: »
    Containing all 8 BCAAs

    Most protein does.
    xenyen wrote: »
    creatine?

    Creatine monohydrate helps with short boosts of power when weight lifting. Over time, you might notice a benefit of being able to push out an extra 1-2 reps of heavy weight. Creatine does not help you lose bodyfat or drop pounds.

    Some people are non-responders, but if creatine works for you, then taking 3-5 grams per day (or 3-5 grams on workout days assuming you work at least 4 days per week) is sufficient. Creatine needs to build up in your system over time for you to notice any benefits. It is not something you sip on in a shake and immediately notice anything from 15 minutes later.
    xenyen wrote: »
    I use it post workout.. and eat oatmeal n eggs at breakfast. With unsweetened coffee. When is the best time to take it?

    Timing is inconsequential. What matters is total intake from all foods per day.
    xenyen wrote: »
    Want to up my protein to support muscle growth which will help weightloss.

    Learn how to compose a rational diet with a rich variety of whole nutritious foods. Don't overeat. Upping protein will cause an increase in calories. An increase in calories (past your maintenance) will make you gain weight. Plain and simple.

    An active person doesn't need more than 0.80 grams protein per 1 lb. bodyweight. That is the upper limit of protein utilization, even in bodybuilders.
    xenyen wrote: »
    Am eating clean.

    The term "eating clean" is useless. Don't fall for marketing propaganda. Stick to whole foods and avoid/severely limit processed foods and trans fats.

  • xenyen
    xenyen Posts: 33 Member
    thanks...
    I find the closest items in the database and adjust quantities.. and those are often in cups etc. Also have a food scale and cups and measure food in grams now.
    Ok, I have a calorie deficit and am working out, and when my weight is optimum I'll focus on building muscle. For now I'll keep working out. Every type of info out there.. I'll go with my gut (sic).
  • louise13dunstan
    louise13dunstan Posts: 74 Member
    Foods with protein by far beat any protein drink. Drinks have hidden and added nasties which can disrupt your progress.
  • IsaackGMOON
    IsaackGMOON Posts: 3,358 Member
    edited August 2015
    Foods with protein by far beat any protein drink. Drinks have hidden and added nasties which can disrupt your progress.

    That doesn't make any sense.

    Protein shakes are a food lol.

    What are these 'nasties'?


  • louise13dunstan
    louise13dunstan Posts: 74 Member
    Its better to eat protein than to drink it. Ace protein drink u might get 14-17g (some have more) but in a 100g chicken u can get 27g thus feel more satiety.

    Plus the motion of chewing for alot of people who strugle with control helps them realise they have eaten.

    Nasties, depends on which make u buy admittedly but loads add sugar (and it will disguised in a lesser well known name for sugar) so it tastes decent

    Ive used protein shakes in the past and none satisfied me as much as a Chicken breast or meat plus that way u get healthy fats and zero sugar.
  • IsaackGMOON
    IsaackGMOON Posts: 3,358 Member
    Its better to eat protein than to drink it. Ace protein drink u might get 14-17g (some have more) but in a 100g chicken u can get 27g thus feel more satiety.

    Plus the motion of chewing for alot of people who strugle with control helps them realise they have eaten.

    Nasties, depends on which make u buy admittedly but loads add sugar (and it will disguised in a lesser well known name for sugar) so it tastes decent

    Ive used protein shakes in the past and none satisfied me as much as a Chicken breast or meat plus that way u get healthy fats and zero sugar.

    Eating or drinking calories doesn't make it better than the other. I could blend up a chicken breast and drink that, does that make it worse than it's solid form?

    Right... compare different quantities... that doesn't make sense. A serving of protein powder is generally around 32g and contains around 24g of protein... but 100g chicken breasts doesn't compare lol.

    Try comparing 32g of whey protein and 32g of chicken breasts.. which one will have more protein?

    There aren't loads of added sugar to protein powders... it's usually sweetners.
  • louise13dunstan
    louise13dunstan Posts: 74 Member
    Sweeteners are what I meant by hidden nasties. Worse than sugar

    Each to their own but I personally prefer to eat natural protein than manufactured powder.
  • IsaackGMOON
    IsaackGMOON Posts: 3,358 Member
    Sweeteners are what I meant by hidden nasties. Worse than sugar

    Each to their own but I personally prefer to eat natural protein than manufactured powder.

    Oh my lawd...

    Whey is natural. It's from milk. What on earth is not natural about it?
  • sixxpoint
    sixxpoint Posts: 3,529 Member
    Protein powder is actually a processed, fast food. You should mainly rely on whole foods for optimal nutrition in a rational diet.

    That said, there is nothing wrong with incorporating protein powder in your diet to use out of convenience. There is no proof that artificial sweeteners are bad for us. We have solid proof that industrial trans fats are bad for us, yet the same people who bash protein powders and foods with artificial sweeteners are probably consuming trans fats in the form of processed store-bought desserts.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,431 MFP Moderator
    If you have an issue with hair falling out, it's generally an issue with inadequate fats (not protein). Fats regulate hormones, which supports healthy hair, nails and skin.
  • M30834134
    M30834134 Posts: 411 Member
    edited August 2015
    Sweeteners are what I meant by hidden nasties. Worse than sugar

    Each to their own but I personally prefer to eat natural protein than manufactured powder.

    Oh my lawd...

    Whey is natural. It's from milk. What on earth is not natural about it?

    Some people just need labels :-)
  • cronus70
    cronus70 Posts: 191 Member
    Whey protein is all natural, the only processing it goes through is cold press filtering to filter out the fats and carbs, cheaper whey's (concentrates) go through less filtering leaving more fats and carbs behind and less protein per serving. Better quality whey (isolate, the best type of whey protein) goes through more filtering leaving very little fat and carbs and more protein per serving, isolate whey tend to come in 90% and 97% protein variants. All the shite that's added after depends on the company that buys in the raw whey concentrate or isolate, if you want a flavoured shake then that's added sugar or sweetener. Then they like to stick in stuff like additional amino acids to spike the protein levels.
    Yes whey powder may be a 'fast' food but a decent powder can still work out cheaper per serving and is convenient, especially first thing in the morning or last thing at night.


  • lorrpb
    lorrpb Posts: 11,463 Member
    Hair falls out regularly. You did lose hair from working out once. If you have problems with large amounts / clumps of hair falling out, see a doc to get checked for thyroid and other conditions.
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