What does everyone do for toning?
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why is it decieving? i think it's encouraging.SharonBrobst wrote: »This whole thread kind of makes me laugh. Sometimes people can get so caught up in the semantics of words. It's like talking to my husband (who talks in a blue language) and I talk pink! LOL We laugh about it all the time.
But even so...I have gotten a lot of good information.
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Snarky? I just stated that having the correct terminology isn't a bad direction to learn.@ninerbuff or you could read what it said, which said it likely isn't a real thing but it does give a good definition of what people mean connotatively. or you could be snarky. w/e. and the webster dictionary clearly says "having or showing strength or firmness" so it kinda is denotatively as well
rather than worrying about semantics, people could say what she needs to hear. which is the same as if she wanted to improve her strength. she just uses a different word. in conversation, it's not a big deal
If you didn't know it, "toning" was an invented word by the fitness industry to deceive females that they were doing something other than lifting weights. In other words, they feminized it, when in truth they were still just lifting weights. There's still misinformation being passed around that weight lifting will make females bulky.
This was done because females spend more than males when it comes to personal improvement. Personally I don't think people have to be deceived to buy into a system if it's merits are good.
So I'm not cool with a word that that basically insinuates that women weren't smart enough to figure out weight lifting doesn't cause excessive muscle gain.
Semantics to you, probably, but I don't teach my clients or others that way.
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Thank you. This is how I feel too. It is nice to clear this up in threads as well, because it CAN hinder women from reaching their goals. To get the look you want, you have to understand that you cannot tone a muscle. Period. You have to establish a goal, and eat and train to meet it.
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arditarose wrote: »
Snarky? I just stated that having the correct terminology isn't a bad direction to learn.@ninerbuff or you could read what it said, which said it likely isn't a real thing but it does give a good definition of what people mean connotatively. or you could be snarky. w/e. and the webster dictionary clearly says "having or showing strength or firmness" so it kinda is denotatively as well
rather than worrying about semantics, people could say what she needs to hear. which is the same as if she wanted to improve her strength. she just uses a different word. in conversation, it's not a big deal
If you didn't know it, "toning" was an invented word by the fitness industry to deceive females that they were doing something other than lifting weights. In other words, they feminized it, when in truth they were still just lifting weights. There's still misinformation being passed around that weight lifting will make females bulky.
This was done because females spend more than males when it comes to personal improvement. Personally I don't think people have to be deceived to buy into a system if it's merits are good.
So I'm not cool with a word that that basically insinuates that women weren't smart enough to figure out weight lifting doesn't cause excessive muscle gain.
Semantics to you, probably, but I don't teach my clients or others that way.
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Thank you. This is how I feel too. It is nice to clear this up in threads as well, because it CAN hinder women from reaching their goals. To get the look you want, you have to understand that you cannot tone a muscle. Period. You have to establish a goal, and eat and train to meet it.
lol
There are only four letters standing between women and the body of which they've always dreamed!!
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So you think it's okay to for the fitness industry to basically insinuate that females aren't smart enough to distinguish the different between lifting weights and "toning" (which is still lifting weights)? You don't feel that it's a slap in the face of females that the fitness industry is basically laughing behind their back because they know they pulled one over on them?why is it decieving? i think it's encouraging.SharonBrobst wrote: »This whole thread kind of makes me laugh. Sometimes people can get so caught up in the semantics of words. It's like talking to my husband (who talks in a blue language) and I talk pink! LOL We laugh about it all the time.
But even so...I have gotten a lot of good information.
There's Mars and Venus talk, but practically every product that promises women that they will lose weight magically, lose cellulite, tighten they thighs, lose wrinkles, etc. are preying on the naivety of some females who aren't given correct information or are using pseudoscience to sway them.good
I just don't feel it has to be that way.
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Tone is not a verb. it is an adjective. You cannot tone. You can build or develop your muscles so that they are stronger. Strong, well developed muscles are attractive on a woman. They are also healthy especially in the upper body, where women tend to be less naturally strong than men.
And then there's that ongoing mythology of female bulking. The odds of a woman becoming a green super hero by lifting heavy weights is so small as to be ludicrous.
I see the guy posting above agrees with me. I'm saying this from experience. He's talking theory. Nothing wrong with theory, as long as you can translate it to "you can do this".
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Call it what you want
If it jiggles it isn't a muscle
So continue to lean down and lift to strategically add some nice shaped muscle that flatter and gets the appearance you want
Body recomposition is the most rewarding phase of the weight loss fitness quest
The scale may not move as 5 lbs of fat is exchanged for 5 lbs of muscle, but the look will be amazing0 -
This. It just has to included that doing it this way is a LONG process and by no means one that will happen in a 90 day span.AppetiteControlFreak wrote: »Call it what you want
If it jiggles it isn't a muscle
So continue to lean down and lift to strategically add some nice shaped muscle that flatter and gets the appearance you want
Body recomposition is the most rewarding phase of the weight loss fitness quest
The scale may not move as 5 lbs of fat is exchanged for 5 lbs of muscle, but the look will be amazing
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did you even read that?0 -
did you even read that?
Don't be silly @JoRocka reading comprehension and understanding context is not a widely used skill on MFP, have more realistic expectations.-1 -
Sam_I_Am77 wrote: »
did you even read that?
Don't be silly @JoRocka reading comprehension and understanding context is not a widely used skill on MFP, have more realistic expectations.
gosh- what was I think @Sam_I_Am77 I must remove myself with this silly logic. No room for that here!0 -
Sam_I_Am77 wrote: »
did you even read that?
Don't be silly @JoRocka reading comprehension and understanding context is not a widely used skill on MFP, have more realistic expectations.
gosh- what was I think @Sam_I_Am77 I must remove myself with this silly logic. No room for that here!
I've learned that if somebody likes the color purple and they claim the sky is purple, don't argue with them even if you're standing at the Grand Canyon looking up at a clear afternoon sky; it's still frickin' purple.0 -
How about this piece I found on bodybuilding.com
" When many people talk about being "toned" what they are referring to is a firm body with muscular definition and shape. This is generally a fitness goal that many women have (but also men) with the majority of their emphasis usually on their arms or more specifically their triceps."
"Mistakenly, due to the media many people (mostly women) think in order to "get toned" all they need to do is very high repetitions and very little resistance with moderate to long rests. They also don't take into account cardiovascular activity or diet in order to get "toned"."
The Myth Of "Toning"
Lets dissolve the misnomer of "tone" right now. The firming-up or toning is due to an increase in muscle tissue as well as a low enough bodyfat percentage to see the definition and shape of the muscles and get rid of the "jiggle".
Muscles do not go from soft to hard or hard to soft - they either shrink or grow in size. Muscles themselves do not "firm-up" or "tone".0 -
The Myth Of "Toning"
Lets dissolve the misnomer of "tone" right now. The firming-up or toning is due to an increase in muscle tissue as well as a low enough bodyfat percentage to see the definition and shape of the muscles and get rid of the "jiggle".
Muscles do not go from soft to hard or hard to soft - they either shrink or grow in size. Muscles themselves do not "firm-up" or "tone".
See, this is where I start to disagree or get confused, one. You absolutely can have your muscles feel dramatically firmer while on a deficit, after doing weights or bodyweight that are not in the hypertrophy range. I've done it a hundred times by now, probably. Are those all supposed to be newb gains using light weight, then?
I'd have no problem with hearing that if it fit experience. But I think there must be an in-between stage, where the muscles are filled with glycogen or something? I don't know what that is, but I'd be hesitant to think muscle gaining were that easy, lol. I'll start suggesting Ashtanga as a very quick way to build muscle then, and everyone would really have a fit
I'm going to call that 'conditioning' the muscle instead of growing/putting on muscle, and I wish I knew what were really going on in the muscles at that specific point.
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