protein shakes...

It doesn't matter when you drink them. Won't make a difference if you drink it when you first wake up or right before you go to sleep. 30, 40, 60, 300 minutes after a workout. If you are short on your protein goals then I would suggest a protein shake, but don't consume it thinking there are any benefits associated with drinking them directly after a workout. That is a myth.

They say taking the protein after is better as it helps to rebuild the muscles.

They were wrong. Protein timing around a workout does not increase overall protein synthesis.

It's best to take the shakes after a workout. I would explain in my own words, but it won't be anywhere near as beneficial as this conversation (on a body building/fitness forum):

http://www.muscleandstrength.com/forum/diet-nutrition/3676-protein-shake-before-after-work-out.html

It doesn't matter when you drink them. Won't make a difference if you drink it when you first wake up or right before you go to sleep. 30, 40, 60, 300 minutes after a workout. If you are short on your protein goals then I would suggest a protein shake, but don't consume it thinking there are any benefits associated with drinking them directly after a workout. That is a myth.

Um. Having protein right after a workout isn't a myth. There are many studies showing that protein post-workout helps in muscle repair and growth.

It's best to take the shakes after a workout. I would explain in my own words, but it won't be anywhere near as beneficial as this conversation (on a body building/fitness forum):

http://www.muscleandstrength.com/forum/diet-nutrition/3676-protein-shake-before-after-work-out.html

I just clicked the link and stopped reading when the first piece of advice given was to split your meals into 6 even meals.


The "anabolic" post workout window that you have to ingest protein within is not based on science and is completely not needed.

It's best to take the shakes after a workout. I would explain in my own words, but it won't be anywhere near as beneficial as this conversation (on a body building/fitness forum):

http://www.muscleandstrength.com/forum/diet-nutrition/3676-protein-shake-before-after-work-out.html

As a follow-up to this (what I said earlier), I'm under the impression that the original poster is partaking in weight training.

If not the case, and just for overall upping your protein intake then I will agree with some of the other posters in saying that you can take it whenever you would like to throughout the day. (I'm assuming this isn't the case.. obviously.)

It's best to take the shakes after a workout. I would explain in my own words, but it won't be anywhere near as beneficial as this conversation (on a body building/fitness forum):

http://www.muscleandstrength.com/forum/diet-nutrition/3676-protein-shake-before-after-work-out.html

As a follow-up to this (what I said earlier), I'm under the impression that the original poster is partaking in weight training.

If not the case, and just for overall upping your protein intake then I will agree with some of the other posters in saying that you can take it whenever you would like to throughout the day. (I'm assuming this isn't the case.. obviously.)

I engage in high intensity weight training no less than three times per week. Still no benefits to a post workout protein shake other than the fact that it would in turn help you hit your daily protein goals, but drinking one right before bed that night would yield the same results.

It's best to take the shakes after a workout. I would explain in my own words, but it won't be anywhere near as beneficial as this conversation (on a body building/fitness forum):

http://www.muscleandstrength.com/forum/diet-nutrition/3676-protein-shake-before-after-work-out.html

I just clicked the link and stopped reading when the first piece of advice given was to split your meals into 6 even meals.


The "anabolic" post workout window that you have to ingest protein within is not based on science and is completely not needed.

You really are blunt and unappealingly straight forward. The person who offered up the advice is a professional body builder and has been labeled as highly reputable by many fitness professionals. I stand by what he has to say through his experiences as a body builder and personal trainer.
From what I've seen in your posts so far, half of everything you say is redundant in an offensive manner. I think you should take a more friendly approach, especially when trying to help and aid in meeting their personal goals.

I'm not trying to flame, I just feel like you could've taken a different approach to telling everybody that the things they read are not correct (even if the sources are reputable).

It's best to take the shakes after a workout. I would explain in my own words, but it won't be anywhere near as beneficial as this conversation (on a body building/fitness forum):

http://www.muscleandstrength.com/forum/diet-nutrition/3676-protein-shake-before-after-work-out.html

I just clicked the link and stopped reading when the first piece of advice given was to split your meals into 6 even meals.


The "anabolic" post workout window that you have to ingest protein within is not based on science and is completely not needed.

You really are blunt and unappealingly straight forward. The person who offered up the advice is a professional body builder and has been labeled as highly reputable by many fitness professionals. I stand by what he has to say through his experiences as a body builder and personal trainer.
From what I've seen in your posts so far, half of everything you say is redundant in an offensive manner. I think you should take a more friendly approach, especially when trying to help and aid in meeting their personal goals.

I'm not trying to flame, I just feel like you could've taken a different approach to telling everybody that the things they read are not correct (even if the sources are reputable).

I apologize. Again, I'll post studies when I get to my computer at work.



Most bodybuilders still follow dietary myths. Eating chicken and broccoli every three hours because they thing it will keep them "anabolic" and prevent muscle catabolism. Same thing goes for the magic post workout window that you need to drink a protein shake.

Here are a couple of studies. Again, I am not saying that protein shakes should be avoided or are not helpful in reaching your daily protein goals, I'm simply stating that the timing of ingestion is irrelevant. Daily nutrition is what is important. Here is a post from Alan Aragon summing up what I'm trying to say.


http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=479047031&postcount=1



Post workout:

http://journals.humankinetics.com/ijsnem-back-issues/IJSNEMVolume19Issue2April/EffectofProteinSupplementTimingonStrengthPowerandBodyCompositionChangesinResistanceTrainedMen


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18284676?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum



For protein PRE workout:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18535123?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

It is interesting to note that the abstract for the last study to which you linked states:

"Ingestion of an essential amino acid-carbohydrate (EAA + CHO) solution following resistance exercise enhances muscle protein synthesis during postexercise recovery. It is unclear whether EAA + CHO ingestion before resistance exercise can improve direct measures of postexercise muscle protein synthesis"

This study acknowledges that, at the very least, POST-workout ingestion of a protein shake does work to enhance protein synthesis. So your argument is inconsistent, at best, and even if true that "it doesn't matter" when you drink the shakes, it certainly can't hurt to drink one before and after a workout.

For protein PRE workout:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18535123?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

Is it a myth that protein intake the first hour of waking up is beneficial?

Soooo...

If it doesn't matter when you drink protein shakes (based on a couple of studies versus dozens that say otherwise), then it won't hurt one bit to drink one an hour before a workout and another immediately after a workout. Regardless of which argument is correct, you're still receiving a benefit from the protein shakes.

Simple enough.

Could you please post one of the dozens of studies looking directly at the timing of ingesting protein shakes offering benefits vs. daily protein intake?

Having a citation war with you is not what I really want to spend time doing (especially when I'm not even disagreeing with you), but since you asked:


http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/283/4/E648.short

http://jap.physiology.org/content/93/4/1337.short

http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/281/2/E197.short

http://jap.physiology.org/content/88/2/386.short

http://www.ajcn.org/content/72/2/551S.short

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0026049504003063

And that was just the first two pages from a simple Google search. An actual search of various physiology journal archives would turn up many more.

Please remember that I don't necessarily disagree with you that timing is less important than what many people may believe. Therefore, there is no harm done if people continue to take protein shakes before or after workouts. But there is a large amount of literature that suggests timing is important. I would at least acknowledge that there is debate among the scientific community and leave it at that.

Soooo...

If it doesn't matter when you drink protein shakes (based on a couple of studies versus dozens that say otherwise), then it won't hurt one bit to drink one an hour before a workout and another immediately after a workout. Regardless of which argument is correct, you're still receiving a benefit from the protein shakes.

Simple enough.

Could you please post one of the dozens of studies looking directly at the timing of ingesting protein shakes offering benefits vs. daily protein intake?