Why are some people getting fatter?

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  • FatMoojor
    FatMoojor Posts: 483 Member
    My daughter doesn't really like dessert. Doesn't like cakes, doesn't like ice cream. But she will eat as much carrot as she can get her hands on, loves all salad.
    Likes chocolate, but doesn't like chocolate sauce.
    Kids are strange.
  • jaqcan
    jaqcan Posts: 498 Member
    As society it's because food is so readily available. We don't have to wait for food. We don't have to grow food. And we don't have to ration food. Snacks are constantly available to kids and adults. Sugar is CONSTANTLY available. It's not a Christmas treat to have sugar, it's every day always. Fast Food is the norm. It's cheap and HIGH calorie.
  • 42firm03
    42firm03 Posts: 115 Member
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    One reason: many foods are just more calorie dense per serving. Also I started a thread a while a back at why people may possibly like carbs so much and why many may overindulge in them.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10254582/a-possible-reason-why-people-love-carbs-so-much#latest

    I have two kids. One self-regulates intake beautifully. The other will eat till . . . well not sure what satisfies the child.

    The self-regulated is the carbaholic and the eater is a protein-aholic.

    Just an N=2 but it's so contrary to conventional diet wisdom. I cannot figure it out.
  • Need2Exerc1se
    Need2Exerc1se Posts: 13,575 Member
    Plenty of kids overeat. Childhood obesity is a growing problem. I never passed on dessert when I was kid, though I have no problem doing it now. I was not even close to being overweight when I was a child, teenager or young adult. None of my kids were overweight and are not now as adults, but I've never known them to pass on dessert. I'm sure they could have become obese if I'd let them eat all the desserts they wanted.

    I've always assumed children become fat because their parents don't teach them proper nutrition and eating habits.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,989 Member
    Plenty of kids overeat. Childhood obesity is a growing problem. I never passed on dessert when I was kid, though I have no problem doing it now. I was not even close to being overweight when I was a child, teenager or young adult. None of my kids were overweight and are not now as adults, but I've never known them to pass on dessert. I'm sure they could have become obese if I'd let them eat all the desserts they wanted.

    I've always assumed children become fat because their parents don't teach them proper nutrition and eating habits.
    Nail on the head. While there's times where parents can let go (parties, vacations, etc.), many take the path of least resistance to just feed their kids.

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  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    i blame fast food - too tempting to just "grab something bad" and not cook at home
    the city i grew up in is all different
    main street lined up with fast food

    Lots of people get fat without eating fast food (and lots of people eat fast food without getting fat). Also, I don't believe fast food is that much more available than in the '80s, when people were less fat. It was certainly accessible where I lived.

    So I really don't see how this responds to OP's question.
  • Liftng4Lis
    Liftng4Lis Posts: 15,151 Member
    Isn't it amazing that we are all made in God's image, and yet there is so much diversity among his people?

    Desmond Tutu

  • FatMoojor
    FatMoojor Posts: 483 Member
    It's also linked to lack of exercise in the same kids whose parents don't teach them about proper nutrition and eating habits.
    If you don't care about nutrition and good eating habits, then there is probably a good chance you don't care about fitness and exercise.
  • I like having sex. I like drinking wine. But if I didn't know when to stop doing those things ( or thought/talked about them all the time) I would have big issues. Same with food. You seem to be asking why some people know when to stop and some don't and there's no trite answer to that.
    Oh and a lot of people don't like dessert. Personally I find it bizarre when people obsess over sickly sweet stuff (which I find gross) but I'm not going to ask why they do it - it's a personal preference.
  • Soopatt
    Soopatt Posts: 563 Member
    I think it might relate to this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_marshmallow_experiment

    My sister and I grew up in the same house with the same parenting. My sister struggled to control herself around food. We have discussed it as adults and she knows she is the child that would have grabbed that marshmallow and stuffed it in her mouth before even listening to the rules. I would have been the kid that felt smug about not eating it and would have waited. My sister would finish her Easter candy stash in an hour and give herself a belly ache. I would make mine last months (she would steal it from me when she found it).

    It was not just food that my sister had little impulse control around. She also opened her christmas presents before christmas and got distracted by the TV, that sort of thing. She still struggles with distraction. She is an "oooh shiny!" person, even though she is extremely creative and talented.

    Although I have gained weight in the last 4 years, my sister and I still have a very different relationship with food. She has ended up having weight loss surgery and even after that, manages to eat enough of the wrong thing that her weight will probably never be out of the overweight range (she drinks chocolate).

    There is some sort of impulse drive at work - some sort of disconnect between the impulse and the contemplation of the consequences that separates our behavior. That mythical willpower - but I think it is more complicated that just one person having a stronger will than another.

    My boyfriend also has a theory that people taste things differently in the same way that we don't all see color the same. Food is then a lot more delicious and appealing to some people than to others, which adds to the problem and if this is combined with an impulse control issue, certain patterns can be set in childhood.

    I don't claim to be an expert, just random thoughts and ponderings as I found your question interesting OP.
  • Therealobi1
    Therealobi1 Posts: 3,262 Member
    Francl27 wrote: »
    Francl27 wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    One reason: many foods are just more calorie dense per serving. Also I started a thread a while a back at why people may possibly like carbs so much and why many may overindulge in them.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10254582/a-possible-reason-why-people-love-carbs-so-much#latest

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    That doesn't explain why my 7yo kids skip dessert while I always wanted more at the same age though.
    Why do some seven year olds like math or dinosaurs or the color orange or brussels sprouts and some don't?

    So you mean that some kids naturally don't like food as much as others?

    i would say yes. growing up i was not interested in food, i could sit at the table until my mum was fed up with me.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    Francl27 wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    One reason: many foods are just more calorie dense per serving. Also I started a thread a while a back at why people may possibly like carbs so much and why many may overindulge in them.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10254582/a-possible-reason-why-people-love-carbs-so-much#latest

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    That doesn't explain why my 7yo kids skip dessert while I always wanted more at the same age though.

    People are different.

    I have two cats. One eats to hunger and is not overweight and is quite active. I could leave food out for him all the time and he'd just eat what was appropriate (I wouldn't do this because we feed them canned food, but my family did this for our cats when we were growing up without them becoming overweight). My other cat will overeat if he can, begs for food, steals the other cat's food, and responds to efforts to have him lose weight by being less active (and he's resistant to efforts to get him to play actively). (Both are adorable, sweet cats.)

    Anyway, I think there are likely some natural differences in humans like that. There's really no reason we should have evolved to eat only what we need for the day and not to overeat, as throughout most of human history that wasn't especially a benefit (unlike our ability to adjust metabolism to deal with conditions of scarcity). In fact, if you had inconsistent sources of food, it makes sense to eat because food is available and to be able to also deal with times of little food.

    Given current conditions when food is always easily available and normal cultural restrictions that regulated eating times and amounts seem to have died (at least in the US), it seems that a majority of people don't naturally regulate well, but some others might.

    This is setting aside how easily emotional issues (food as comfort, food as celebration, food as a way to socialize) play a role in human life and decisions, often without us noticing it.

    Anyway, I'm definitely someone who needs to be vigilant and exercise external controls (like portion size, eating only at meals) to control my eating, but I don't really feel that that's a terrible thing or feel jealous of my friend who doesn't much care about food and is happy just eating rice (and is thin). I enjoy food and like enjoying food. And I may have to work harder to not be fat than some people, who knows (I think this is likely true), but other things come easier to me and overall I like being who I am. Differences are kind of cool.
  • SLLRunner
    SLLRunner Posts: 12,942 Member
    Why are people still lined up in the McDonald's Drive Thru? Why do people still smoke cigarettes?

    This is about what I'm thinking, because reasons vary from individual to individual as to why they eat too much. There is no one pat answer.

    However, the reason I ate too much and got fat is because I used that fork-loaded-with-food-to-mouth-movement too much. For me, saying it was anything else is just an excuse for me not to take 100% responsibility for when I was fat.
  • Therealobi1
    Therealobi1 Posts: 3,262 Member
    Are you...are you asking why people are different from each other?

    well i think thats it. You see couples with multiple children and each child is completely different even though they are all treated the same. simple as that
  • 42firm03
    42firm03 Posts: 115 Member
    I've always assumed children become fat because their parents don't teach them proper nutrition and eating habits.

    like most assumptions this one is bad.

    Kids are not possessions. They have free will and lives apart from their parents so after about age 5 a parent is SOL on controlling intake.

    Under 5, I can buy all about the home feeding environment but once school starts mom and dad aren't all there is to say.
  • auddii
    auddii Posts: 15,357 Member
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    Francl27 wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    One reason: many foods are just more calorie dense per serving. Also I started a thread a while a back at why people may possibly like carbs so much and why many may overindulge in them.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10254582/a-possible-reason-why-people-love-carbs-so-much#latest

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
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    That doesn't explain why my 7yo kids skip dessert while I always wanted more at the same age though.

    People are different.

    I have two cats. One eats to hunger and is not overweight and is quite active. I could leave food out for him all the time and he'd just eat what was appropriate (I wouldn't do this because we feed them canned food, but my family did this for our cats when we were growing up without them becoming overweight). My other cat will overeat if he can, begs for food, steals the other cat's food, and responds to efforts to have him lose weight by being less active (and he's resistant to efforts to get him to play actively). (Both are adorable, sweet cats.)

    Anyway, I think there are likely some natural differences in humans like that. There's really no reason we should have evolved to eat only what we need for the day and not to overeat, as throughout most of human history that wasn't especially a benefit (unlike our ability to adjust metabolism to deal with conditions of scarcity). In fact, if you had inconsistent sources of food, it makes sense to eat because food is available and to be able to also deal with times of little food.

    Given current conditions when food is always easily available and normal cultural restrictions that regulated eating times and amounts seem to have died (at least in the US), it seems that a majority of people don't naturally regulate well, but some others might.

    This is setting aside how easily emotional issues (food as comfort, food as celebration, food as a way to socialize) play a role in human life and decisions, often without us noticing it.

    Anyway, I'm definitely someone who needs to be vigilant and exercise external controls (like portion size, eating only at meals) to control my eating, but I don't really feel that that's a terrible thing or feel jealous of my friend who doesn't much care about food and is happy just eating rice (and is thin). I enjoy food and like enjoying food. And I may have to work harder to not be fat than some people, who knows (I think this is likely true), but other things come easier to me and overall I like being who I am. Differences are kind of cool.

    Clearly you did not teach your cats proper nutrition.
  • Need2Exerc1se
    Need2Exerc1se Posts: 13,575 Member
    42firm03 wrote: »
    I've always assumed children become fat because their parents don't teach them proper nutrition and eating habits.

    like most assumptions this one is bad.

    Kids are not possessions. They have free will and lives apart from their parents so after about age 5 a parent is SOL on controlling intake.

    Under 5, I can buy all about the home feeding environment but once school starts mom and dad aren't all there is to say.

    I was not talking about control. I was talking about teaching.
  • FatMoojor
    FatMoojor Posts: 483 Member
    42firm03 wrote: »
    I've always assumed children become fat because their parents don't teach them proper nutrition and eating habits.

    like most assumptions this one is bad.

    Kids are not possessions. They have free will and lives apart from their parents so after about age 5 a parent is SOL on controlling intake.

    Under 5, I can buy all about the home feeding environment but once school starts mom and dad aren't all there is to say.

    Not sure where you live but in the UK a 5 year is still very much under the control of their parents for their intake. You either select a pre-set school meal or send your child to school with a pack lunch. It's not like they can go off site at lunch time and buy sweets in a local shop.

    They may, manage to "swap" something they don't like for something they do like with another child but not many kids are going to give up their sweets and the lunch staff will be watching out for what the children are doing.
  • Therealobi1
    Therealobi1 Posts: 3,262 Member
    42firm03 wrote: »
    I've always assumed children become fat because their parents don't teach them proper nutrition and eating habits.

    like most assumptions this one is bad.

    Kids are not possessions. They have free will and lives apart from their parents so after about age 5 a parent is SOL on controlling intake.

    Under 5, I can buy all about the home feeding environment but once school starts mom and dad aren't all there is to say.

    i would disagree. if there is an issue its likely to be at home not school. Some schools will ban snacks and only encourage healthy foods if you bring in a packed lunch.
  • 42firm03
    42firm03 Posts: 115 Member
    FatMoojor wrote: »
    42firm03 wrote: »
    I've always assumed children become fat because their parents don't teach them proper nutrition and eating habits.

    like most assumptions this one is bad.

    Kids are not possessions. They have free will and lives apart from their parents so after about age 5 a parent is SOL on controlling intake.

    Under 5, I can buy all about the home feeding environment but once school starts mom and dad aren't all there is to say.

    Not sure where you live but in the UK a 5 year is still very much under the control of their parents for their intake. You either select a pre-set school meal or send your child to school with a pack lunch. It's not like they can go off site at lunch time and buy sweets in a local shop.

    They may, manage to "swap" something they don't like for something they do like with another child but not many kids are going to give up their sweets and the lunch staff will be watching out for what the children are doing.

    Here in America there's candy and rewards all the time. Finished your math, have a lollipop. Great soccer game, here's a doughnut. Etc. you can't outrun the amount of food on offer. If you are the type like Lemur's cat and my second kid, with no internal regulator. You are screwed! Kids don't have the emotional intelligence to say no when they should. You can't teach that and to be so judgmental of parents (not you, generic you) is fairly one sided view. IMO.
  • DeguelloTex
    DeguelloTex Posts: 6,652 Member
    42firm03 wrote: »
    FatMoojor wrote: »
    42firm03 wrote: »
    I've always assumed children become fat because their parents don't teach them proper nutrition and eating habits.

    like most assumptions this one is bad.

    Kids are not possessions. They have free will and lives apart from their parents so after about age 5 a parent is SOL on controlling intake.

    Under 5, I can buy all about the home feeding environment but once school starts mom and dad aren't all there is to say.

    Not sure where you live but in the UK a 5 year is still very much under the control of their parents for their intake. You either select a pre-set school meal or send your child to school with a pack lunch. It's not like they can go off site at lunch time and buy sweets in a local shop.

    They may, manage to "swap" something they don't like for something they do like with another child but not many kids are going to give up their sweets and the lunch staff will be watching out for what the children are doing.

    Here in America there's candy and rewards all the time. Finished your math, have a lollipop. Great soccer game, here's a doughnut. Etc. you can't outrun the amount of food on offer. If you are the type like Lemur's cat and my second kid, with no internal regulator. You are screwed! Kids don't have the emotional intelligence to say no when they should. You can't teach that and to be so judgmental of parents (not you, generic you) is fairly one sided view. IMO.

    Who's giving those kids the lollipops and donuts, then?
  • FatMoojor
    FatMoojor Posts: 483 Member
    ah, we don't have any of that sort of thing in our schools. Well not as a norm. If you do well you get a sticker or a commendation for doing well.
    Though there maybe some thing like that when you are in senior school (11-16) but that would only be for special days in the school and they would be prizes for doing certain things.
    I would be less than impressed if I found out my daughters school were giving sweets as rewards because it's not something I would do at home.
  • Need2Exerc1se
    Need2Exerc1se Posts: 13,575 Member
    42firm03 wrote: »
    FatMoojor wrote: »
    42firm03 wrote: »
    I've always assumed children become fat because their parents don't teach them proper nutrition and eating habits.

    like most assumptions this one is bad.

    Kids are not possessions. They have free will and lives apart from their parents so after about age 5 a parent is SOL on controlling intake.

    Under 5, I can buy all about the home feeding environment but once school starts mom and dad aren't all there is to say.

    Not sure where you live but in the UK a 5 year is still very much under the control of their parents for their intake. You either select a pre-set school meal or send your child to school with a pack lunch. It's not like they can go off site at lunch time and buy sweets in a local shop.

    They may, manage to "swap" something they don't like for something they do like with another child but not many kids are going to give up their sweets and the lunch staff will be watching out for what the children are doing.

    Here in America there's candy and rewards all the time. Finished your math, have a lollipop. Great soccer game, here's a doughnut. Etc. you can't outrun the amount of food on offer. If you are the type like Lemur's cat and my second kid, with no internal regulator. You are screwed! Kids don't have the emotional intelligence to say no when they should. You can't teach that and to be so judgmental of parents (not you, generic you) is fairly one sided view. IMO.

    Why and when do you think this phenomenon started? Children generations ago had sugary treats as rewards just as often, yet overweight children were extremely rare.
  • SLLRunner
    SLLRunner Posts: 12,942 Member
    42firm03 wrote: »
    FatMoojor wrote: »
    42firm03 wrote: »
    I've always assumed children become fat because their parents don't teach them proper nutrition and eating habits.

    like most assumptions this one is bad.

    Kids are not possessions. They have free will and lives apart from their parents so after about age 5 a parent is SOL on controlling intake.

    Under 5, I can buy all about the home feeding environment but once school starts mom and dad aren't all there is to say.

    Not sure where you live but in the UK a 5 year is still very much under the control of their parents for their intake. You either select a pre-set school meal or send your child to school with a pack lunch. It's not like they can go off site at lunch time and buy sweets in a local shop.

    They may, manage to "swap" something they don't like for something they do like with another child but not many kids are going to give up their sweets and the lunch staff will be watching out for what the children are doing.

    Here in America there's candy and rewards all the time. Finished your math, have a lollipop. Great soccer game, here's a doughnut. Etc. you can't outrun the amount of food on offer. If you are the type like Lemur's cat and my second kid, with no internal regulator. You are screwed! Kids don't have the emotional intelligence to say no when they should. You can't teach that and to be so judgmental of parents (not you, generic you) is fairly one sided view. IMO.

    Who's giving those kids the lollipops and donuts, then?

    And, therefore, rewarding children for doing their math and playing soccer. Food should never be used as a reward.
  • 42firm03
    42firm03 Posts: 115 Member
    SLLRunner wrote: »
    42firm03 wrote: »
    FatMoojor wrote: »
    42firm03 wrote: »
    I've always assumed children become fat because their parents don't teach them proper nutrition and eating habits.

    like most assumptions this one is bad.

    Kids are not possessions. They have free will and lives apart from their parents so after about age 5 a parent is SOL on controlling intake.

    Under 5, I can buy all about the home feeding environment but once school starts mom and dad aren't all there is to say.

    Not sure where you live but in the UK a 5 year is still very much under the control of their parents for their intake. You either select a pre-set school meal or send your child to school with a pack lunch. It's not like they can go off site at lunch time and buy sweets in a local shop.

    They may, manage to "swap" something they don't like for something they do like with another child but not many kids are going to give up their sweets and the lunch staff will be watching out for what the children are doing.

    Here in America there's candy and rewards all the time. Finished your math, have a lollipop. Great soccer game, here's a doughnut. Etc. you can't outrun the amount of food on offer. If you are the type like Lemur's cat and my second kid, with no internal regulator. You are screwed! Kids don't have the emotional intelligence to say no when they should. You can't teach that and to be so judgmental of parents (not you, generic you) is fairly one sided view. IMO.

    Who's giving those kids the lollipops and donuts, then?

    And, therefore, rewarding children for doing their math and playing soccer. Food should never be used as a reward.

    Teachers, coaches, other parents. It's why some schools have banned birthday treats at school. 27 kids in a class is 27 times a year you get cupcakes!

    Yes, we've gone crazy with celebrating and rewarding ourselves and our kids with food.

    I disagree that it was this way years ago. Treats were truly rare in my childhood, in America, in the South even! I had almost no opportunity to eat without my parents knowing about it. That's not true for my kids now.
  • DeguelloTex
    DeguelloTex Posts: 6,652 Member
    42firm03 wrote: »
    SLLRunner wrote: »
    42firm03 wrote: »
    FatMoojor wrote: »
    42firm03 wrote: »
    I've always assumed children become fat because their parents don't teach them proper nutrition and eating habits.

    like most assumptions this one is bad.

    Kids are not possessions. They have free will and lives apart from their parents so after about age 5 a parent is SOL on controlling intake.

    Under 5, I can buy all about the home feeding environment but once school starts mom and dad aren't all there is to say.

    Not sure where you live but in the UK a 5 year is still very much under the control of their parents for their intake. You either select a pre-set school meal or send your child to school with a pack lunch. It's not like they can go off site at lunch time and buy sweets in a local shop.

    They may, manage to "swap" something they don't like for something they do like with another child but not many kids are going to give up their sweets and the lunch staff will be watching out for what the children are doing.

    Here in America there's candy and rewards all the time. Finished your math, have a lollipop. Great soccer game, here's a doughnut. Etc. you can't outrun the amount of food on offer. If you are the type like Lemur's cat and my second kid, with no internal regulator. You are screwed! Kids don't have the emotional intelligence to say no when they should. You can't teach that and to be so judgmental of parents (not you, generic you) is fairly one sided view. IMO.

    Who's giving those kids the lollipops and donuts, then?

    And, therefore, rewarding children for doing their math and playing soccer. Food should never be used as a reward.

    Teachers, coaches, other parents. It's why some schools have banned birthday treats at school. 27 kids in a class is 27 times a year you get cupcakes!

    Yes, we've gone crazy with celebrating and rewarding ourselves and our kids with food.

    I disagree that it was this way years ago. Treats were truly rare in my childhood, in America, in the South even! I had almost no opportunity to eat without my parents knowing about it. That's not true for my kids now.
    Three-fourths of a cupcake a week, even if all 27 have birthdays during the school year!
  • Need2Exerc1se
    Need2Exerc1se Posts: 13,575 Member
    42firm03 wrote: »
    SLLRunner wrote: »
    42firm03 wrote: »
    FatMoojor wrote: »
    42firm03 wrote: »
    I've always assumed children become fat because their parents don't teach them proper nutrition and eating habits.

    like most assumptions this one is bad.

    Kids are not possessions. They have free will and lives apart from their parents so after about age 5 a parent is SOL on controlling intake.

    Under 5, I can buy all about the home feeding environment but once school starts mom and dad aren't all there is to say.

    Not sure where you live but in the UK a 5 year is still very much under the control of their parents for their intake. You either select a pre-set school meal or send your child to school with a pack lunch. It's not like they can go off site at lunch time and buy sweets in a local shop.

    They may, manage to "swap" something they don't like for something they do like with another child but not many kids are going to give up their sweets and the lunch staff will be watching out for what the children are doing.

    Here in America there's candy and rewards all the time. Finished your math, have a lollipop. Great soccer game, here's a doughnut. Etc. you can't outrun the amount of food on offer. If you are the type like Lemur's cat and my second kid, with no internal regulator. You are screwed! Kids don't have the emotional intelligence to say no when they should. You can't teach that and to be so judgmental of parents (not you, generic you) is fairly one sided view. IMO.

    Who's giving those kids the lollipops and donuts, then?

    And, therefore, rewarding children for doing their math and playing soccer. Food should never be used as a reward.

    Teachers, coaches, other parents. It's why some schools have banned birthday treats at school. 27 kids in a class is 27 times a year you get cupcakes!

    Yes, we've gone crazy with celebrating and rewarding ourselves and our kids with food.

    I disagree that it was this way years ago. Treats were truly rare in my childhood, in America, in the South even! I had almost no opportunity to eat without my parents knowing about it. That's not true for my kids now.
    Three-fourths of a cupcake a week, even if all 27 have birthdays during the school year!

    It's easier to blame society.
  • 42firm03
    42firm03 Posts: 115 Member
    42firm03 wrote: »
    SLLRunner wrote: »
    42firm03 wrote: »
    FatMoojor wrote: »
    42firm03 wrote: »
    I've always assumed children become fat because their parents don't teach them proper nutrition and eating habits.

    like most assumptions this one is bad.

    Kids are not possessions. They have free will and lives apart from their parents so after about age 5 a parent is SOL on controlling intake.

    Under 5, I can buy all about the home feeding environment but once school starts mom and dad aren't all there is to say.

    Not sure where you live but in the UK a 5 year is still very much under the control of their parents for their intake. You either select a pre-set school meal or send your child to school with a pack lunch. It's not like they can go off site at lunch time and buy sweets in a local shop.

    They may, manage to "swap" something they don't like for something they do like with another child but not many kids are going to give up their sweets and the lunch staff will be watching out for what the children are doing.

    Here in America there's candy and rewards all the time. Finished your math, have a lollipop. Great soccer game, here's a doughnut. Etc. you can't outrun the amount of food on offer. If you are the type like Lemur's cat and my second kid, with no internal regulator. You are screwed! Kids don't have the emotional intelligence to say no when they should. You can't teach that and to be so judgmental of parents (not you, generic you) is fairly one sided view. IMO.

    Who's giving those kids the lollipops and donuts, then?

    And, therefore, rewarding children for doing their math and playing soccer. Food should never be used as a reward.

    Teachers, coaches, other parents. It's why some schools have banned birthday treats at school. 27 kids in a class is 27 times a year you get cupcakes!

    Yes, we've gone crazy with celebrating and rewarding ourselves and our kids with food.

    I disagree that it was this way years ago. Treats were truly rare in my childhood, in America, in the South even! I had almost no opportunity to eat without my parents knowing about it. That's not true for my kids now.
    Three-fourths of a cupcake a week, even if all 27 have birthdays during the school year!

    It's easier to blame society.

    I actually prefer to blame my mother. It's really all her fault, isn't it?
  • Kalikel
    Kalikel Posts: 9,603 Member
    I think there are as many sets of reasons as there are fat people. People are different, have different obstacles, struggles, desires, etc.

    Kids are fatter because they eat more processed stuff and don't run around as much. Moms are working now, so the kids don't go home, have a snack and out to run around and play. There is always some adult around telling the kids to not be too wild. They're less active, but they're eating food that is more calorie-laden than they once did. So, they get fat.
  • Need2Exerc1se
    Need2Exerc1se Posts: 13,575 Member
    42firm03 wrote: »
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    I've always assumed children become fat because their parents don't teach them proper nutrition and eating habits.

    like most assumptions this one is bad.

    Kids are not possessions. They have free will and lives apart from their parents so after about age 5 a parent is SOL on controlling intake.

    Under 5, I can buy all about the home feeding environment but once school starts mom and dad aren't all there is to say.

    Not sure where you live but in the UK a 5 year is still very much under the control of their parents for their intake. You either select a pre-set school meal or send your child to school with a pack lunch. It's not like they can go off site at lunch time and buy sweets in a local shop.

    They may, manage to "swap" something they don't like for something they do like with another child but not many kids are going to give up their sweets and the lunch staff will be watching out for what the children are doing.

    Here in America there's candy and rewards all the time. Finished your math, have a lollipop. Great soccer game, here's a doughnut. Etc. you can't outrun the amount of food on offer. If you are the type like Lemur's cat and my second kid, with no internal regulator. You are screwed! Kids don't have the emotional intelligence to say no when they should. You can't teach that and to be so judgmental of parents (not you, generic you) is fairly one sided view. IMO.

    Who's giving those kids the lollipops and donuts, then?

    And, therefore, rewarding children for doing their math and playing soccer. Food should never be used as a reward.

    Teachers, coaches, other parents. It's why some schools have banned birthday treats at school. 27 kids in a class is 27 times a year you get cupcakes!

    Yes, we've gone crazy with celebrating and rewarding ourselves and our kids with food.

    I disagree that it was this way years ago. Treats were truly rare in my childhood, in America, in the South even! I had almost no opportunity to eat without my parents knowing about it. That's not true for my kids now.
    Three-fourths of a cupcake a week, even if all 27 have birthdays during the school year!

    It's easier to blame society.

    I actually prefer to blame my mother. It's really all her fault, isn't it?

    If you were overweight as a child and are still a very young adult then much of the blame probably lies with the adult who raised you. But that is only true for very young adults. At some point you must take responsibility for yourself, even if a parent/guardian did give you a poor start.