If what you're doing is working - ignore this.

well i thought i'd check this out because i feel like i'm stuck at a plateau but as far as the fruit? if i stopped eating fruit i would pass out multiple times a day i swear! so that can't be true for everyone. i also have a blood sugar disorder and my dr told me if i ever wanted to loose weight by cutting calories to make sure i ate 3-4 servings of fruit. so my blood sugar doesn't plummet.

recently i've been eating lean meats chicken and fish(tuna) lots of low fat dairy and lots of fruit! no bread, when i want a sandwich i use a tortilla (a little better but not the bestand i eat almonds or granola bars at work for a quick pick me up.

just thought i'd share my experiences as well. no offense meant.

Ditto, I also suffer from low glucose levels and couple that with an allergy to many vegetables. I do eat 2-4 servings of fruit a day and I eat a ton of meat/fish. I try to keep my carb intake 100 grams a day or less and it works for me. I also try to cut out the wheat, corn and soy, starch (save for sweet potatoes since they're lower in starch and are the second best veg you can eat) and anything processed, excluding goat or sheep's cheese. Eating 100 or less grams of carbs a day has helped me lose 10 lbs in 5 weeks (no additional exercise). Fruits I eat every day are apples, bananas, cherries, blue berries, plums now because the plum tree is ripe.

Fruits are still relatively low on the glycemic index because fructose in fruits usually doesn't raise the blood sugar levels that much. Fructose in high fructose corn syrup (aka Soda Pops and other) pumps your body with 29-39 grams of fructose per serving a cup of raw cherries will give you 18 grams of fructose. Drink a 20 oz soda bottle in an hour and you got yourself with 80 grams of sugar in your blood. This is too much for your liver to process and fructose is processed in the liver first, unlike straight up glucose. For me the trick is staying 20 grams of carbs or less for each meal.

Each their own though, if no fruits is doing it for you, then awesome job! I need fruits so I don't pass out. I do crave fat though, about as much as I crave sweet, which is often. Everyone in the house trims fat off the meats, I love it and just eat their share. I can polish off an entire pound of bacon in a day too. Fat to me tastes sweet and buttery, yuuum. I discover if I eat more fat in a day, I snack a whole lot less and crave sweets dramatically less. Whatever works, I'm with you in the low carb, eat less processed foods..

I know you've told me to ignore it, but heres my 2 cents, I have a big problem with other dieters saying their way is the best way. It works for you - great, but 'don't give you opinion if you have an alternative one - this is what will work for you' is a bit iffy mate. Why is it also that I find the people most concerned about others following their diet is the no/low carb bods?

Just because you don't have the will power not to binge, doesn't mean other people don't. If I'm brutally honest I think its childish that you cannot control yourself. I kind of see it as theres no mummy to tell you when to stop so you just dont have it at all. I think people should be encouraged to learn how to control binges, not be given the impression its hopeless. Taste is so pleasurable, it should be enjoyed. Meat and veg are nice but how utterly boring to have that everyday. It would be like hearing the same song day in day out. No chocolate is not healthy even in moderation, but neither are alot of other things in life we do that are pleasurable. We *kitten* risk and weigh up those risky consequences.

This.

I'm not sure how the guy came off as saying that everyone should ditch what they're doing and follow him like he's the Paleo pied piper of dieting.

Without going on an emotional rant there are some here who have had some pretty serious addiction problems to sweets and other foods in their past. Sure, we love to throw around the "moderation" and the "I can't imagine my life without a piece of cake" here and there stuff. If you have the willpower to eat one piece of pie and walk away and not touch it for another few weeks, well then I seriously commend you.

However...understand that some people's struggles with binges go beyond the "oops I ate 2 pieces of cake" business. It's taken years for me to learn to control eating sweets. Some things are best left alone. It's about like placing yourself in a 12 step program akin to an alcoholic. It's not funny. It's not something to come on the boards and chastise peopel about. Some of us have had some serious emotional problems with food in our lives that have left us overweight and NOT in control. If it takes eliminating those triggers to gain control, who are YOU to say we are wrong in doing that? Everyone takes a different path here, folks.

I'm all for moderation if you can sustain it. Some of us have had to seek professional help and coaching and have found the answer isn't moderation.

Alright, time to go back to enjoying my morning quiche and being a CHILD.

Cheers. :drinker:

You mean its NOT ok to snort a line every now and then?!?!?! Crap I have been sevearly misinformed:grumble:

Thanks will try this. Was looking to cut out my fruit as I know it has a lot of sugar/carbs. I don't want to go on a really low carb diet but in the range of 100-150 g a day. Do you think this would work or would I need to go lower? I'm only really looking to lose 30 more pounds.

I totally agree Steve, I've been trying for a couple years now to lose weight and nothing happens. Just a couple of weeks ago I started Low carb and I am down 5 pounds. I eat about 80 - 95 gms a day and it seems to be working.

Great post!!

This is the exact reason why I have quit the boards before in the past, and the reason why I am quitting again now.

Don't be soft.

Listen mate. You are clearly knowledgeable and can help posters by offering a differing viewpoint which works. It's all about providing people who are struggling with their weight options which they can choose from and which plays to their strengths. For some people that may be following a paleo/primal approach. For some it maybe an Ornish diet. For some it maybe the everything in moderation approach.

Taking away options is not the way forward. Many diets will work - it's just some will be more efficient for an individual to reach their goals given their individual characteristics than others. Credible viewpoints and debate is vital so that an individual considers all potential avenues and can make informed decisions.

ps: of curiousity, if I try your approach for a month and it doesn't work will you also provide the airfare so I can fly to Pittsburgh and kick you in the nuts?

Not only do I agree, the final statement made me laugh out loud. People should know if you throw out very opinionated definitive statements, you are bound to catch some flack.

I think people are forgetting to look at the big nutrition picture here, you read though alot of the OP statements and it reads carbs=fructose=fruit=bad. Is there fructose in fruit...of course, is too much fructose bad for you, probably. Have you ever met someone who got fat off of eating apples? Apples have been around for a bit, and just recently a study came out showing how a compound in the apple peels can help burn fat. Apples have fructose yes, but they also have fiber, beneficial antioxidants, enzymes, vitamins/minerls, water, etc, etc, etc. There is a whole lot of good stuff in fruit that goes way beyond fructose. And BTW, you can't find all the same good things in fruit as you can in veggies, thats why health care professionals have consistently recommended variety and moderation for years and years. Milk...has Vit D and calcium in it naturally, and low and behold, Vit D and Calcium work better together than apart. And yes the cocaine example is a bit stupid....and I could find a boatload of "research" on why aliens truly do exist, why the moon is made of cheese and why the world is coming to an end in 5 mins...consider the source.

If anyone out there is totally interested in "optimal nutrition", hey there are a ton of pharmaceutical grade nutritional products designed for people unable to meet nutrition needs orally. Get you a tube feeding product, have someone drop a feeding tube up the nose, down the throat, into the tummy and Voila! Perfect nutrition, and you don't even have to bother with eating!! Me, I'd rather have the apple, and maybe a piece of chocolate cake afterward:drinker:

Steve, please don't allow one persons mindless chatter to keep you from encouraging so many others.

I should add that I hope the OP doesn't leave the boards. People do need to hear your message and you express it very very well.

You wouldn't say that it's ok to just do a little cocaine right?

Actually...

Thanks for posting. I'm glad you have found a way that works.

While I think the Paleo diet has an amazing effect on the body, I don't think it is sustainable long term, at least in the strict form that you're talking about. I did a Paleo challenge back in November and reduced my body fat 3%, however once I went off the strict variety and added back some things, I maintained the loss.

I do believe the key is moderation, but I also believe (as you said) that doesn't work for all people. I can have a small piece of [insert food here] and be done with it. Others leads to binges or falling off the wagon. My opinion is that if you're prone to binges, no "strict" diet (whatever it might be) will work for you.

What TRULY worked for me was learning to balance. It was a mindset and once I understood it, it was easy to maintain.