HIIT for someone whose BF is 21~22%
qkrzazzang
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I'm 5'8 at 175 pounds. I want to bring my body fat down to 15% with progressive exercise and health eating.
For my exercise other than weight training, I spend 60 minutes on the treadmill Mon, Wed, Fri and Sun, 5 minutes at 3.0~3.5mph followed by 5 minutes at 5.5mph, and repeat this process 6 times. My treadmill says about 600kal burned (with the input of my current weight and age if makes it accurate by all means). I was wondering what would actually burn more calories between my treadmill routine and HIIT cycling for about 20 minutes (5-7 repetitions).
For my exercise other than weight training, I spend 60 minutes on the treadmill Mon, Wed, Fri and Sun, 5 minutes at 3.0~3.5mph followed by 5 minutes at 5.5mph, and repeat this process 6 times. My treadmill says about 600kal burned (with the input of my current weight and age if makes it accurate by all means). I was wondering what would actually burn more calories between my treadmill routine and HIIT cycling for about 20 minutes (5-7 repetitions).
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I do a hit cycle usually a minute to minute ratio switching between 3 and 9 on the treadmill. It's usually 20 minutes with a 3 minute warmup cool down include. I weight 180 and it says I've burned usually aroind 200 calories. So simple answer your longer run probably burns more calories. But there are some studies that say doing hiit burns more calories over the long run and it's great for your heart. I would say try switching between both0
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Calories in Calories out. It's your calorie intake not your calorie burn.0
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queenliz99 wrote: »Calories in Calories out. It's your calorie intake not your calorie burn.
I'd say calorie intake as well as calorie burn
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Accurate calorie tracking is tantamount, in and out.0
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queenliz99 wrote: »Accurate calorie tracking is tantamount, in and out.
True, but the calorie counting & ingredient weighing and all that sort of things are already in check, and I wasn't asking about that..0 -
How "intense" are your 5.5mph segments? Ever done any sort of 5 or 10k race or run with a heart rate monitor?
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qkrzazzang wrote: »I'm 5'8 at 175 pounds. I want to bring my body fat down to 15% with progressive exercise and health eating.
For my exercise other than weight training, I spend 60 minutes on the treadmill Mon, Wed, Fri and Sun, 5 minutes at 3.0~3.5mph followed by 5 minutes at 5.5mph, and repeat this process 6 times. My treadmill says about 600kal burned (with the input of my current weight and age if makes it accurate by all means). I was wondering what would actually burn more calories between my treadmill routine and HIIT cycling for about 20 minutes (5-7 repetitions).
The vast majority of people will maximize calorie burn if you just find your speed/heart rate threshold for the total time you have to exercise, assuming your appropriate muscle groups (in this case mostly legs) are up to it. Intervals are great for helping you learn to breathe properly, work the muscles harder, and for general cardio building. But in terms of calorie burn, the elevated HR from HIIT type stuff will reach a point where your HR doesn't settle as quickly, and from there is is usually all downhill for performance.
As for accuracy, depends on the machine and the formulas and inputs they use. Quite a few of the various cardio machines also show calorie burn for a standard formula used to approximate resting metabolism, as well as the speed/distance involved. But if you really want to nail it down you can find a trusted running calculator to compare to.
We have an elliptical at home, and they are a different beast since the stride is set but they use ramp angle and/or resistance to calculate calorie burn. But I can easily burn more calories doing steady state vs HIIT type training. On lower intensity intervals I can make the calorie count closer, but to do that requires a shorter high intensity output, and ramp down the recovery period more.
I often use the calories per minute to set an output reasonable for the time I've got, then if I've got energy in the tank do some higher output intervals the last 5-10 minutes, to maximize what I can output on any given day.
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How do you determine your calorie burns? Machines are notoriously inaccurate and MFP is not much better.0
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How "intense" are your 5.5mph segments? Ever done any sort of 5 or 10k race or run with a heart rate monitor?
I do get pretty tired after 5 minutes of run at 5.5mph. Never done 5k or 10k. I've been slowly building up my endurance in the past 2 months. I remember I ran out of breath within 3 minutes or so at 4.5 mph run by then lol. I wouldn't say a fast progress but it is there. For my first 20 minutes or so, I can do my running segments at 6 mph for 5 mins but then I bring back down to 5.5 afterwards.0 -
It takes time to build speed or endurance. If you're making progress, that's all that really matters. You can go for a lower speed for a set time, then gradually as you build add speed for that same time. Of you can go for a higher speed, and gradually increase the amount of time/distance you can run at that speed.
If the machines have a heart rate monitor, that is a great tool. With that and the wattage readouts on my elliptical I can figure out where I can sustain for quite a while and where just a little more effort really starts lifting my heart rate and leads to burning out quicker.0 -
qkrzazzang wrote: »I'm 5'8 at 175 pounds. I want to bring my body fat down to 15% with progressive exercise and health eating.
For my exercise other than weight training, I spend 60 minutes on the treadmill Mon, Wed, Fri and Sun, 5 minutes at 3.0~3.5mph followed by 5 minutes at 5.5mph, and repeat this process 6 times. My treadmill says about 600kal burned (with the input of my current weight and age if makes it accurate by all means). I was wondering what would actually burn more calories between my treadmill routine and HIIT cycling for about 20 minutes (5-7 repetitions).
You're doing 4 x 60 mins HIIT plus 3 x progressive weights? When is rest day?0 -
Hiit burns more fat...but at 60 minutes your working into burning muscle. .. lift weights then 25 mins Cardio x 2 one morning one later in the day. Saves the muscle burns the fat0
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With running you can't really work on speed and endurance at the same time. You should try running more and walking less every week.0
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Hiit burns more fat...but at 60 minutes your working into burning muscle. .. lift weights then 25 mins Cardio x 2 one morning one later in the day. Saves the muscle burns the fat
Unless a person is severely lacking in nutrition, you aren't burning muscle at 60 minutes into a moderate paced run. For most people they could do that distance on glycogen stores and fat alone without bonking.
And the entire fat burning zone vs cardio zone has been proven wrong time and time again. The way to burn the most calories and potentially fat depending on intake, is to burn the most you can in a given amount of time. And few if anyone will do that doing HIIT training, as the time interval ends up being short.0 -
Hiit burns more fat...but at 60 minutes your working into burning muscle. .. lift weights then 25 mins Cardio x 2 one morning one later in the day. Saves the muscle burns the fat
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qkrzazzang wrote: ».... I spend 60 minutes on the treadmill Mon, Wed, Fri and Sun, 5 minutes at 3.0~3.5mph followed by 5 minutes at 5.5mph, and repeat this process 6 times. My treadmill says about 600kal burned (with the input of my current weight and age if makes it accurate by all means).
So the question I'd ask is, what are you trying to achieve from the time on the treadmill? Expending energy (calories), improving endurance and stamina etc?
As you're walking and then running reasonably slowly I'd be very surprised if you're covering the distance needed to expend 600 cals,but what I would say is that HIIT wouldn't expend more energy, if you're doing it properly. Despite the miracle cure claims of many the purpose of HIIT is somewhat different.
Essentially if you're wanting to burn more energy in that hour you need to concentrate on increasing the distance you cover in the time, as you highlight you can run for longr at a time now. What I'd suggest is using a structured running programme. As you're already doing an hour then you can probably drop into a Couch to 10K plan about 4 weeks in. For me that 600 calories is about 10K of running, although I'm a bit lighter than you.
fwiw I wouldn't swap out your resistance training sessions for cycling at the moment.0 -
qkrzazzang wrote: »I'm 5'8 at 175 pounds. I want to bring my body fat down to 15% with progressive exercise and health eating.
For my exercise other than weight training, I spend 60 minutes on the treadmill Mon, Wed, Fri and Sun, 5 minutes at 3.0~3.5mph followed by 5 minutes at 5.5mph, and repeat this process 6 times. My treadmill says about 600kal burned (with the input of my current weight and age if makes it accurate by all means). I was wondering what would actually burn more calories between my treadmill routine and HIIT cycling for about 20 minutes (5-7 repetitions).
You are not at 21% body fat with 80+ lbs to lose. Something is off either in your calculations or your goals when you set up your MFP account.
Other than this, if the goal is increased calorie burn, aim for distance. Either by increasing speed or duration. If you are alternating between 3 and 5.5 mph per hour, you have definitely room for improving speed and distance covered. Maybe look into a beginner running program to adapt your intervals. This 5 min slow 5 min faster plan leaves a lot of room for improvement.0 -
qkrzazzang wrote: »I'm 5'8 at 175 pounds. I want to bring my body fat down to 15% with progressive exercise and health eating.
For my exercise other than weight training, I spend 60 minutes on the treadmill Mon, Wed, Fri and Sun, 5 minutes at 3.0~3.5mph followed by 5 minutes at 5.5mph, and repeat this process 6 times. My treadmill says about 600kal burned (with the input of my current weight and age if makes it accurate by all means). I was wondering what would actually burn more calories between my treadmill routine and HIIT cycling for about 20 minutes (5-7 repetitions).
If HIIT is something you'd like to try I'd suggest a class. I'm not sure given your current stamina it would be ideal. Trying it and working to improve during the classes makes sense but I'm not sure of what type of HIIT is available to you and the intensity. Apologies for all the questions but we have a greater chance to help you with your goals if we can have answers to some of the questions posed.0 -
qkrzazzang wrote: »How "intense" are your 5.5mph segments? Ever done any sort of 5 or 10k race or run with a heart rate monitor?
I do get pretty tired after 5 minutes of run at 5.5mph. Never done 5k or 10k. I've been slowly building up my endurance in the past 2 months. I remember I ran out of breath within 3 minutes or so at 4.5 mph run by then lol. I wouldn't say a fast progress but it is there. For my first 20 minutes or so, I can do my running segments at 6 mph for 5 mins but then I bring back down to 5.5 afterwards.
Maybe try to make a goal to get 45-60 mins solid at 5.5-6mph. You are a young male and sub 180 so unless you have a foot/knee/leg injury it should not be very difficult once you get your mind around it. Give yourself a carrot and make it a distance goal (4 miles) rather than slogging for time. You go quicker, you get to end quicker. If you need a walk break, do it, but start running again within 30-60 seconds. Lots of people use 10 min run/1 min walk - I did for a year or two as well.
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OP - like other have stated, you are underestimating your intake, and as a consequence of your improved fitness your workout is less effective. See http://sportsscientists.com/2010/01/exercise-and-weight-loss/ for a better explanation of the adaptation that is happening.Hiit burns more fat...but at 60 minutes your working into burning muscle. .. lift weights then 25 mins Cardio x 2 one morning one later in the day. Saves the muscle burns the fat
There three sources of ATP, energy currency used in the conversion of chemical energy to mechanical work - ATP to ADP, for the working muscle: 1) Phosphagen system, Non-aeorbic glycolysis, and Aerobic system. The systems are not exclusive and you are using them concurrently (although it is unlikely that phosphagen system is used much during normal workouts). Intensity will dictate which is the primary system in use.
One of the major goal of HIIT training is to improve recovery when one is utilizing the phophagen system. We have a very limited supply of ATP - enough for less than 10 seconds of maximal effort – stored directly in the working muscles. Re-phosphorylation of ADP from phosphocreatine (PC) stores provides enough for about 25 seconds total. This system produces the highest power output levels, and thus is used most heavily during any rapid acceleration, such as in sprinting and in the initial “jump” of a hard attack. HIIT trains the body to be more efficient in the Re-phosphorylation of ADP. The other aspect of HIIT is to improve fatigue resistance by developing higher tolerance to increase acidity from electrons released by conversion of ATP to ADP (craps) and build high threshold levels (non-aeorbic glycolysis) (bonk).
For the duration, yes HIIT uses a lot of energy but one can only do 30-60 seconds of it before needing rest at a much lower intensity. If you are doing it right, one can only hit that for 5-8 reps before calling quits (because it hurts!). Depending on the regimen you are using, only four are generally recognized and they differs on how quickly one start using the phophagen system. Per workout, your are only at this top end for less about 10-15 minutes and when done correctly this is only repeatable for two or three times a week and sustainable for about 6-8 weeks in ELITE athletes. In the scheme of things, it doesn't burn as much calories as the warm up and cool down periods by themselves. So why do HIIT, it's a honing tool to win a competition not to burnt more calories. Don't let the crap marketing fool you.
The Non-aerobic glycolysis is the primary energy pathway used for efforts lasting 45-150 seconds. Type II, or fast-twitch muscle fibers, are the locus for glycolysis, with muscle glycogen (stored glucose, about 60-90 minutes worth and you cannot eat/drink fast enough to replace it within that time limit) the sole fuel source. The aerobic system (much more efficient than glycolysis by 19 times!), also known as the Krebs Cycle, provides most of the energy for efforts of 3 minutes or longer. Aerobic metabolism occurs primarily in Type I, or slow-twitch muscle fibers (although there is a continuum within Type II fibers some of which, Type IIa, display characteristics of the former). For fuel, aerobic system relies on fat (which contains more energy than CHO – 9 kcal/gram vs. 4.1 – but is less readily metabolized) at lower intensities, progressing to carbohydrate (CHO) as intensity increases.0 -
robertw486 wrote: »qkrzazzang wrote: »I'm 5'8 at 175 pounds. I want to bring my body fat down to 15% with progressive exercise and health eating.
For my exercise other than weight training, I spend 60 minutes on the treadmill Mon, Wed, Fri and Sun, 5 minutes at 3.0~3.5mph followed by 5 minutes at 5.5mph, and repeat this process 6 times. My treadmill says about 600kal burned (with the input of my current weight and age if makes it accurate by all means). I was wondering what would actually burn more calories between my treadmill routine and HIIT cycling for about 20 minutes (5-7 repetitions).
The vast majority of people will maximize calorie burn if you just find your speed/heart rate threshold for the total time you have to exercise, assuming your appropriate muscle groups (in this case mostly legs) are up to it. Intervals are great for helping you learn to breathe properly, work the muscles harder, and for general cardio building. But in terms of calorie burn, the elevated HR from HIIT type stuff will reach a point where your HR doesn't settle as quickly, and from there is is usually all downhill for performance.
As for accuracy, depends on the machine and the formulas and inputs they use. Quite a few of the various cardio machines also show calorie burn for a standard formula used to approximate resting metabolism, as well as the speed/distance involved. But if you really want to nail it down you can find a trusted running calculator to compare to.
We have an elliptical at home, and they are a different beast since the stride is set but they use ramp angle and/or resistance to calculate calorie burn. But I can easily burn more calories doing steady state vs HIIT type training. On lower intensity intervals I can make the calorie count closer, but to do that requires a shorter high intensity output, and ramp down the recovery period more.
I often use the calories per minute to set an output reasonable for the time I've got, then if I've got energy in the tank do some higher output intervals the last 5-10 minutes, to maximize what I can output on any given day.
Thanks four your input. The HR part from the HIIT was very interesting to know. I didn't really track my HR when I was doing a steady cardio at treadmill, but I do remember that mine is somewhere in the 80% range when I'm doing 5.5 mph run for 5 mins (80% is about towards the end, so about at last 20 seconds of remaining until back to walking).0 -
robertw486 wrote: »It takes time to build speed or endurance. If you're making progress, that's all that really matters. You can go for a lower speed for a set time, then gradually as you build add speed for that same time. Of you can go for a higher speed, and gradually increase the amount of time/distance you can run at that speed.
If the machines have a heart rate monitor, that is a great tool. With that and the wattage readouts on my elliptical I can figure out where I can sustain for quite a while and where just a little more effort really starts lifting my heart rate and leads to burning out quicker.
I did an experiment tool with the HR monitor built in to the treadmill machine. I recently did just an hour moderate walk on the treadmill at 3.5mph, and my average HR was at 130. When you do a relatively good intense running, what % of the max HR do you keep at if you do happen to constantly track?0 -
qkrzazzang wrote: »I'm 5'8 at 175 pounds. I want to bring my body fat down to 15% with progressive exercise and health eating.
For my exercise other than weight training, I spend 60 minutes on the treadmill Mon, Wed, Fri and Sun, 5 minutes at 3.0~3.5mph followed by 5 minutes at 5.5mph, and repeat this process 6 times. My treadmill says about 600kal burned (with the input of my current weight and age if makes it accurate by all means). I was wondering what would actually burn more calories between my treadmill routine and HIIT cycling for about 20 minutes (5-7 repetitions).
You're doing 4 x 60 mins HIIT plus 3 x progressive weights? When is rest day?
Sometimes I rest on Saturday, but mostly I work 7 days a week. M,W,F=Cardio and Tues,Thurs weight training& muscles. I know I don't over-train as I've never experience injuries. And I did HIIT sometimes ago but that was mainly to experiment my weekly progress vs. my regular treadmill routine, but as you may know even with the strict diet, the result always varies..0 -
qkrzazzang wrote: »robertw486 wrote: »It takes time to build speed or endurance. If you're making progress, that's all that really matters. You can go for a lower speed for a set time, then gradually as you build add speed for that same time. Of you can go for a higher speed, and gradually increase the amount of time/distance you can run at that speed.
If the machines have a heart rate monitor, that is a great tool. With that and the wattage readouts on my elliptical I can figure out where I can sustain for quite a while and where just a little more effort really starts lifting my heart rate and leads to burning out quicker.
I did an experiment tool with the HR monitor built in to the treadmill machine. I recently did just an hour moderate walk on the treadmill at 3.5mph, and my average HR was at 130. When you do a relatively good intense running, what % of the max HR do you keep at if you do happen to constantly track?
I'm doing my cardio on the bike or elliptical, but can readily get my heart rate up in the 140-150 zone for an hour at a time. But it takes time to build to where you are comfortable working out at a steady heart rate that is higher, and it varies somewhat with what type of exercise you are doing and where/conditions/etc.
On the bike or elliptical, I'm setting pace, so if my HR starts climbing I can easily back off the pace a little bit to recover. On a treadmill, you have to keep up with the machine, so it's not quite as simple at times.
I didn't see where you made any mention of age, which would give you a general guideline for max HR. But keep that and any issues you've had, the time you've been working out, any any general risk factors in mind for choosing your workout HR zones. I had a full heart test done just a couple years back, so I know I'm good to up above the norm for my age group.
As for the workout conditions, keep in mind that unless you like being a dripping bag of sweat, something as simple as fans can make all the difference in where you get uncomfortable, even if it's not the work effort and HR causing it. I've noticed that when on my bike I'm much more likely to get my HR up farther, probably due to all the cooling air.0 -
qkrzazzang wrote: »I'm 5'8 at 175 pounds. I want to bring my body fat down to 15% with progressive exercise and health eating.
For my exercise other than weight training, I spend 60 minutes on the treadmill Mon, Wed, Fri and Sun, 5 minutes at 3.0~3.5mph followed by 5 minutes at 5.5mph, and repeat this process 6 times. My treadmill says about 600kal burned (with the input of my current weight and age if makes it accurate by all means). I was wondering what would actually burn more calories between my treadmill routine and HIIT cycling for about 20 minutes (5-7 repetitions).
You're doing 4 x 60 mins HIIT plus 3 x progressive weights? When is rest day?
This is not HIIT:
"I spend 60 minutes on the treadmill Mon, Wed, Fri and Sun, 5 minutes at 3.0~3.5mph followed by 5 minutes at 5.5mph, and repeat this process 6 times."
He's doing a low to moderate intensity exercise routine, varying his movements, not significantly overweight. No need for a scheduled rest day in this situation.0 -
I find the hr monitor on treadmills very inaccurate. I don't usually use it because holding on when running isn't good form but I was curious. It said80 after running for 20 minutes and when I checked a minute later it said 220... Um OK...... My usual running heart rate with a chest band is 150-1800
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Packerjohn wrote: »qkrzazzang wrote: »I'm 5'8 at 175 pounds. I want to bring my body fat down to 15% with progressive exercise and health eating.
For my exercise other than weight training, I spend 60 minutes on the treadmill Mon, Wed, Fri and Sun, 5 minutes at 3.0~3.5mph followed by 5 minutes at 5.5mph, and repeat this process 6 times. My treadmill says about 600kal burned (with the input of my current weight and age if makes it accurate by all means). I was wondering what would actually burn more calories between my treadmill routine and HIIT cycling for about 20 minutes (5-7 repetitions).
You're doing 4 x 60 mins HIIT plus 3 x progressive weights? When is rest day?
This is not HIIT:
"I spend 60 minutes on the treadmill Mon, Wed, Fri and Sun, 5 minutes at 3.0~3.5mph followed by 5 minutes at 5.5mph, and repeat this process 6 times."
He's doing a low to moderate intensity exercise routine, varying his movements, not significantly overweight. No need for a scheduled rest day in this situation.
Yup definitely not HIIT0 -
MeanderingMammal wrote: »qkrzazzang wrote: ».... I spend 60 minutes on the treadmill Mon, Wed, Fri and Sun, 5 minutes at 3.0~3.5mph followed by 5 minutes at 5.5mph, and repeat this process 6 times. My treadmill says about 600kal burned (with the input of my current weight and age if makes it accurate by all means).
So the question I'd ask is, what are you trying to achieve from the time on the treadmill? Expending energy (calories), improving endurance and stamina etc?
As you're walking and then running reasonably slowly I'd be very surprised if you're covering the distance needed to expend 600 cals,but what I would say is that HIIT wouldn't expend more energy, if you're doing it properly. Despite the miracle cure claims of many the purpose of HIIT is somewhat different.
Essentially if you're wanting to burn more energy in that hour you need to concentrate on increasing the distance you cover in the time, as you highlight you can run for longr at a time now. What I'd suggest is using a structured running programme. As you're already doing an hour then you can probably drop into a Couch to 10K plan about 4 weeks in. For me that 600 calories is about 10K of running, although I'm a bit lighter than you.
fwiw I wouldn't swap out your resistance training sessions for cycling at the moment.
Thanks for the suggestion. My main purpose was originally burning the most calorie as possible, although I did begin to like the idea of improving on my athletic aspect in running, because not only does it set a goal for my progression but also it just happens to make running fun at least.0 -
qkrzazzang wrote: »I'm 5'8 at 175 pounds. I want to bring my body fat down to 15% with progressive exercise and health eating.
For my exercise other than weight training, I spend 60 minutes on the treadmill Mon, Wed, Fri and Sun, 5 minutes at 3.0~3.5mph followed by 5 minutes at 5.5mph, and repeat this process 6 times. My treadmill says about 600kal burned (with the input of my current weight and age if makes it accurate by all means). I was wondering what would actually burn more calories between my treadmill routine and HIIT cycling for about 20 minutes (5-7 repetitions).
You are not at 21% body fat with 80+ lbs to lose. Something is off either in your calculations or your goals when you set up your MFP account.
Other than this, if the goal is increased calorie burn, aim for distance. Either by increasing speed or duration. If you are alternating between 3 and 5.5 mph per hour, you have definitely room for improving speed and distance covered. Maybe look into a beginner running program to adapt your intervals. This 5 min slow 5 min faster plan leaves a lot of room for improvement.
Yes my profile hasn't been updated, but now I'm at 174 pound with 21% BF, most accurate and recent by far0 -
_Terrapin_ wrote: »qkrzazzang wrote: »I'm 5'8 at 175 pounds. I want to bring my body fat down to 15% with progressive exercise and health eating.
For my exercise other than weight training, I spend 60 minutes on the treadmill Mon, Wed, Fri and Sun, 5 minutes at 3.0~3.5mph followed by 5 minutes at 5.5mph, and repeat this process 6 times. My treadmill says about 600kal burned (with the input of my current weight and age if makes it accurate by all means). I was wondering what would actually burn more calories between my treadmill routine and HIIT cycling for about 20 minutes (5-7 repetitions).
If HIIT is something you'd like to try I'd suggest a class. I'm not sure given your current stamina it would be ideal. Trying it and working to improve during the classes makes sense but I'm not sure of what type of HIIT is available to you and the intensity. Apologies for all the questions but we have a greater chance to help you with your goals if we can have answers to some of the questions posed.
Sorry, didn't update my profile, but 174lb with 21%BF is the most accurate at this point. I do consider good amount of efficiency. I really don't think I can spend more than an hour on a treadmill, that's why I set my cardio session to 1 hour, thus the most calorie burn within that given time would be what I'm looking for. And the main purpose of the thread was to see what other people think about HIIT as an overall calorie burn vs. the steady cardio.
On my lifting days, I do back/rear squats (120lb), 15/5 reps, biceps/triceps training 15/5 reps (25lb), and leg exercise (not sure what it's actually called, but it's a machine which I place my feet by the board and I push it with my legs against it) 20/5 reps, 200lb.0
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