Best time to stop eating on an evening?
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Coincidentally, I've just received my weekly health report that shows that my sleep pattern is being disturbed. The comment in the email says "Avoid eating large meals before going to sleep as they can increase brain activity thus disrupting your sleep quality". I've no idea if this is true, as although I'll have a snack before bed I don't have a large meal.0
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hookahbinx wrote: »I don't eat 3 hours before bed.
Am I hungry? Sure.
I just make sure I eat plenty during the day.
Works for me
I also have to be careful not to eat within 2hrs of bed time. I get the most horrible indigestion now that lasts the whole next day. I'm definitely hungry at bed time but it's been about a week now and I'm getting used to it. I had been a breakfast skipper but now that I go to bed hungry I also wake up pretty hungry. I may have to adjust further.
My point is: you just find what works for you. I had to adjust due to the new indigestion issues I have experienced and may have to adjust again to deal with morning hanger. This is all one big learning process!0 -
It can be. But many people who have disturbed sleep don't know that they may have sleep apnea too.CurlyCockney wrote: »Coincidentally, I've just received my weekly health report that shows that my sleep pattern is being disturbed. The comment in the email says "Avoid eating large meals before going to sleep as they can increase brain activity thus disrupting your sleep quality". I've no idea if this is true, as although I'll have a snack before bed I don't have a large meal.
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Thanks @ninerbuff. I don't have sleep apnea but I do know the cause of the disruption and it's not food-related. I just thought it was semi-interesting in light of this topic :-)0
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I don't agree with most of you. Timing really matters. You shouldn't eat at lest 2 hours before you go to bed. Also, you cannot only calculate calorie deficit. 1 kcal from trans fats, or from simple carbs is less healthy than 1kcal from proteins or unsaturated fat.
I suppose your goal is not only to lose weight, but also to make your cardio system helthier. Besides that, timing of meals affects your pace of losing weight. I'm not big fan of chrono diet, but it has some very useful rules.0 -
lionkingbg wrote: »I don't agree with most of you. Timing really matters. You shouldn't eat at lest 2 hours before you go to bed. Also, you cannot only calculate calorie deficit. 1 kcal from trans fats, or from simple carbs is less healthy than 1kcal from proteins or unsaturated fat.
I suppose your goal is not only to lose weight, but also to make your cardio system helthier. Besides that, timing of meals affects your pace of losing weight. I'm not big fan of chrono diet, but it has some very useful rules.
So much no.
But one post in. You'll learn.
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lionkingbg wrote: »You shouldn't eat at lest 2 hours before you go to bed.
Assuming no digestive/sleep issues, why not?Also, you cannot only calculate calorie deficit. 1 kcal from trans fats, or from simple carbs is less healthy than 1kcal from proteins or unsaturated fat.
You are mixing up units of measurement and nutrition. FOODS are (of course) not identical. Whereas individual foods aren't important (although I'd agree about avoiding trans fats) the diet as a whole is, and of course a diet made up mostly of highly processed carbs and trans fats or even saturated fat with inadequate protein and vegetables and fiber would be less healthy than many other diets (like the kinds of diets followed in blue zones or recommended by nutrition experts), this does not mean the calories within them are different. A calorie is simply a unit of measurement -- there is no such thing as "a calorie of chicken" that your body can distinguish from "a calorie of bacon." Are chicken and bacon different? Sure.
To make an analogy, once you put them in the bank, you can't distinguish between a dollar from capital gains and a dollar from income -- cash is fungible. Yet of course it matters in another sense how you got the money -- just ask the IRS.timing of meals affects your pace of losing weight. I'm not big fan of chrono diet, but it has some very useful rules.
The studies are inconclusive and even as to those that suggest there may be some effect, it will be not much of one, less significant than compliance factors. If you hate eating in the morning and not eating in the evening, doing that will be counterproductive and not worth it even if you lose a little bit faster. (Personally I get home late so eat dinner late most evenings, and yet I lost consistently faster than MFP predicted. Might I have lost faster if I'd eaten earlier? I see no reason to think so, but even if it was theoretically possible, the fact I couldn't have sustained if I couldn't eat dinner or would have had to skip evening workouts to eat dinner (thereby burning fewer calories and taking longer to get fit) wouldn't have been worth the tradeoff.)0 -
@lemurcat12
Thanks for very helpful suggestions.
However, I have noticed you totally ignore the fact that early breakfast can speed up your metabolism. Another important thing: if you skip breakfast, your body will start storing fat in order to create long term "stocks".
PS: I hope you all guys understand me well. English is not my native language, so I suppose my sentences sometimes seem to be little akward. 0 -
lionkingbg wrote: »However, I have noticed you totally ignore the fact that early breakfast can speed up your metabolism. Another important thing: if you skip breakfast, your body will start storing fat in order to create long term "stocks".
How can I be ignoring it when you didn't make that argument before? Before you were talking about it being bad to eat too late (which I'm interested in because I eat late), and now you seem to have changed the argument to it being bad NOT to eat in the morning (which is of less interest to me in that I'm a breakfast eater, but which I also think is inaccurate).
So anyway, what's your evidence? I have seen nothing credible supporting that idea, and it's not likely that your body will start storing fat/drop metabolism due to one missed meal, let along that it will do that because of a missed meal at one time of day and not a missed lunch or dinner.
Do you have a source?
(You seem perfectly clear, btw -- much better than I could communicate in an language not my own.)0 -
doesn't matter eat whenever you want , i always eat late at night0
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lionkingbg wrote: »@lemurcat12
Thanks for very helpful suggestions.
However, I have noticed you totally ignore the fact that early breakfast can speed up your metabolism. Another important thing: if you skip breakfast, your body will start storing fat in order to create long term "stocks".
I'd love to see the links to some peer-reviewed studies proving both of the above bolded points, because you're way off base on both counts. Your body doesn't store fat in the face of a chronic caloric deficit, and your metabolism runs 24 hours a day. It rises to the occasion when you take food in, but it doesn't matter what time of the day or night that happens.0 -
lionkingbg wrote: »@lemurcat12
Thanks for very helpful suggestions.
However, I have noticed you totally ignore the fact that early breakfast can speed up your metabolism. Another important thing: if you skip breakfast, your body will start storing fat in order to create long term "stocks".
I'd love to see the links to some peer-reviewed studies proving both of the above bolded points, because you're way off base on both counts. Your body doesn't store fat in the face of a chronic caloric deficit, and your metabolism runs 24 hours a day. It rises to the occasion when you take food in, but it doesn't matter what time of the day or night that happens.
I couldn't find relevant study right now, but I can mention well-known Crono nutrition theory created by French Doctor Delabos that supports my words. Besides Crono, there are many theories that are based on similar principles.
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I always eat a snack before going to bed. Eating or not eating after a certain time has nothing to do with metabolism. A good rule that I follow is simply to eat whenever I'm hungry.0
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I sleep better, when I have a small snack right before sleeping. I am more likely to over eat if I try to go to sleep hungry. When I fail to sleep, I will get up and eat way more than I would have snacked on earlier. When I am over tired, I have less will power.0
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lionkingbg wrote: »However, I have noticed you totally ignore the fact that early breakfast can speed up your metabolism. Another important thing: if you skip breakfast, your body will start storing fat in order to create long term "stocks".
This is false. Eating a early breakfast does not speed your metabolism up. Also, skipping breakfast does not cause your body to store fat.0 -
lionkingbg wrote: »@lemurcat12
Thanks for very helpful suggestions.
However, I have noticed you totally ignore the fact that early breakfast can speed up your metabolism. Another important thing: if you skip breakfast, your body will start storing fat in order to create long term "stocks".
PS: I hope you all guys understand me well. English is not my native language, so I suppose my sentences sometimes seem to be little akward.
You English is nothing wrong with
But i hate to disappoint you
I eat the majority of my calories before going to sleep
And on top of that i eat breakfast late so i dont speed up my metabolism
And lost weight perfectly in the last year
Time is not relevant at all. What about when i live 10 miles out of a time zone???? how do you deal with that? How does my body know that i live there. And what about night workers? etc etc They all lose weight just fne as long as they create a deficit.
What you eat, when or were doesn't matter at all ( as long you dont have a medical issue of course)
Keep things simple, really it isnt that hard at all. It is Calories in versus calories out. And your body dont give a ^*^%&*^ when you eat....it just counts the energy/calories it gets.
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I agree that final calorie deficit is the most important thing. But you cannot simply sum calories of everyhing that you ate today. Timing and type of food affects differently your metabolism, which make you spend more or less calories. You couldn't convince me that it is the same if you eat all callories few mins before you go to bed or divide it into several parts during all day.
One more thing, when it comes to timing, I don't think time zone is relevant. It matters what time it is regarding your schedule, so for night workers "morning" is part of the day when they wake up and their "evening" is time when they are about to go to bed.0 -
lionkingbg wrote: »I agree that final calorie deficit is the most important thing. But you cannot simply sum calories of everyhing that you ate today. Timing and type of food affects differently your metabolism, which make you spend more or less calories. You couldn't convince me that it is the same if you eat all callories few mins before you go to bed or divide it into several parts during all day.
One more thing, when it comes to timing, I don't think time zone is relevant. It matters what time it is regarding your schedule, so for night workers "morning" is part of the day when they wake up and their "evening" is time when they are about to go to bed.
I dont have to convince you at all.
Science is simple plain and clear in this whole matter.
You do it your way i do mine.
I just dont have to watch my watch and worry that i eat in a time zone ...just eat what i want when i want and were i want.
People can make it difficult and hard. While it dont have to be that way at all.
OP just keep it simple and plain eat in calorie deficit and you will be fine and lose weight. Just like the majority of people.
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lionkingbg wrote: »I agree that final calorie deficit is the most important thing. But you cannot simply sum calories of everyhing that you ate today. Timing and type of food affects differently your metabolism, which make you spend more or less calories. You couldn't convince me that it is the same if you eat all callories few mins before you go to bed or divide it into several parts during all day.
One more thing, when it comes to timing, I don't think time zone is relevant. It matters what time it is regarding your schedule, so for night workers "morning" is part of the day when they wake up and their "evening" is time when they are about to go to bed.
If I eat my 1500 calorie allowance and go right to sleep every day, I'll spend the entire next day burning those calories and not eating until it's time for tomorrow's 1500 calorie meal. If I didn't, I'd die.
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lionkingbg wrote: »I agree that final calorie deficit is the most important thing. But you cannot simply sum calories of everyhing that you ate today. Timing and type of food affects differently your metabolism, which make you spend more or less calories. You couldn't convince me that it is the same if you eat all callories few mins before you go to bed or divide it into several parts during all day.
One more thing, when it comes to timing, I don't think time zone is relevant. It matters what time it is regarding your schedule, so for night workers "morning" is part of the day when they wake up and their "evening" is time when they are about to go to bed.
I hate breakfast. I'm almost never hungry in the mornings. I almost never eat until after lunch time. I usually only eat two meals, one of which is near bedtime. According to you, my diet should be a hideous failure, yet I've lost 48 pounds in 19 weeks. Your "facts" are not facts. Your "facts" are what you believe to be the case, but they are actually just opinions you've formulated based on whatever non-scientific, non-peer reviewed web pages you're read. Sorry, but timing does NOT matter. My 48 pounds say otherwise.
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That's because there are no relevant studies that show eating breakfast speed up metabolism. Nor does skipping it start storing fat.lionkingbg wrote: »lionkingbg wrote: »@lemurcat12
Thanks for very helpful suggestions.
However, I have noticed you totally ignore the fact that early breakfast can speed up your metabolism. Another important thing: if you skip breakfast, your body will start storing fat in order to create long term "stocks".
I'd love to see the links to some peer-reviewed studies proving both of the above bolded points, because you're way off base on both counts. Your body doesn't store fat in the face of a chronic caloric deficit, and your metabolism runs 24 hours a day. It rises to the occasion when you take food in, but it doesn't matter what time of the day or night that happens.
I couldn't find relevant study right now, but I can mention well-known Crono nutrition theory created by French Doctor Delabos that supports my words. Besides Crono, there are many theories that are based on similar principles.
And a "theory" is supported by actual facts. Not anecdotal or pseudoscience ones.
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lionkingbg wrote: »I agree that final calorie deficit is the most important thing. But you cannot simply sum calories of everyhing that you ate today. Timing and type of food affects differently your metabolism, which make you spend more or less calories. You couldn't convince me that it is the same if you eat all callories few mins before you go to bed or divide it into several parts during all day.
One more thing, when it comes to timing, I don't think time zone is relevant. It matters what time it is regarding your schedule, so for night workers "morning" is part of the day when they wake up and their "evening" is time when they are about to go to bed.
Please provide a source for these claims.0 -
Ok, I surrender. You all are unanimous and I am pretty shocked about that. As I understood between the lines you also beleive that macro nutritients ratio doesn't matter at all? A certain amount of calories from garbage food and from proteins and unsaturated fats make no difference?0
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lionkingbg wrote: »Ok, I surrender. You all are unanimous and I am pretty shocked about that. As I understood between the lines you also beleive that macro nutritients ratio doesn't matter at all? A certain amount of calories from garbage food and from proteins and unsaturated fats make no difference?
Nice try, but no-one's saying that.0 -
Those ratios make a difference health-wise or nutritionally, but we're not talking about that. A calorie is a calorie when it comes to weight loss, whether it's Twinkies or kale.0
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lionkingbg wrote: »Ok, I surrender. You all are unanimous and I am pretty shocked about that. As I understood between the lines you also beleive that macro nutritients ratio doesn't matter at all? A certain amount of calories from garbage food and from proteins and unsaturated fats make no difference?
Speaking purely in terms of weight loss, macronutrient ratios do not matter at all. Google "Twinkie Diet" and read the story about the nutrition professor who lost 27 pounds in two months eating a diet mostly comprised of pure junk food.
Speaking in terms of overall health, fitness, body composition and sports performance, macronutrient ratios matter considerably. It doesn't mean you have to eat 100% "clean" (whatever that definition means to each individual person), but you should have adequate protein and fat intake via a well-balanced diet. That doesn't mean you can never eat sugar, saturated fat, junk/fast food, etc. - but it certainly shouldn't comprise the majority of your diet.0 -
lionkingbg wrote: »lionkingbg wrote: »@lemurcat12
Thanks for very helpful suggestions.
However, I have noticed you totally ignore the fact that early breakfast can speed up your metabolism. Another important thing: if you skip breakfast, your body will start storing fat in order to create long term "stocks".
I'd love to see the links to some peer-reviewed studies proving both of the above bolded points, because you're way off base on both counts. Your body doesn't store fat in the face of a chronic caloric deficit, and your metabolism runs 24 hours a day. It rises to the occasion when you take food in, but it doesn't matter what time of the day or night that happens.
I couldn't find relevant study right now, but I can mention well-known Crono nutrition theory created by French Doctor Delabos that supports my words. Besides Crono, there are many theories that are based on similar principles.
There are plenty of "health and wellness" bloggers out there who put bits and pieces of ideas that some doctors had into what sound like perfectly sound conclusions about meal timing and metabolism. They are why I had on my pile of excuses for not losing weight that it wouldn't happen because I hate eating first thing in the morning. The only way I was able to go from a size 24 to a size 16 was by wiping the slate clean of all that and focus mainly on calories per day.
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lionkingbg wrote: »Ok, I surrender. You all are unanimous and I am pretty shocked about that. As I understood between the lines you also beleive that macro nutritients ratio doesn't matter at all? A certain amount of calories from garbage food and from proteins and unsaturated fats make no difference?
That's kind of a non sequitur -- I don't think anyone was talking about macros or any of that.
However, here's a recent thread where it is discussed, and I give my view in it: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10295341/does-it-really-matter#latest
Quick answer: food choice matters for health, and at the extremes can make a difference between losing/gaining fat or muscle, although other factors play an important role too, like size of deficit and exercise.0 -
SherryTeach wrote: »I eat until I run out of calories. And I always save some for a before bed snack.
THIS!0 -
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Have you ever heard of inner body process such as conversion the fats into energy? e.g. When you don't eat carbs all day, your body starts spending fat stocks instead of glucose. You would say: the same thing is if you spend carbs. But, "losing weight" is not only to have less kilograms/pounds! In my opinion key fact is get the rid of fats, (and build muscles if you want)!
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