My take on "starvation" diets
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macgurlnet wrote: »barrelroll1 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »Enjoy your lack of muscle mass.
Actually my face and waist are visibly slimmer so obviously I am losing fat. I can gain whatever muscle I lose with the fat after June. No problemo.
I literally just spat out my tea.
"No Problemo" my *kitten*...
~Lyssa
Sorry for making you spit out your tea.0 -
barrelroll1 wrote: »barrelroll1 wrote: »pollypocket1021 wrote: »Starvation in moderation.
Can someone link that "3 days of Medifast f***ed up my head" post?
I would never take processed garbage like medifast
No you're just starving yourself for 2 months. SMH
You can shake your head all you want but it doesn't change the fact that it works...
So when you have no energy to work out and your hair starts falling out from lack of nutrients, then what happens?0 -
barrelroll1 wrote: »
It's amazing how against some people are towards educating themselves and stopping the lazy approach through life.
Its not as absurd as the mainstream would have you believe it is...0 -
barrelroll1 wrote: »AllOutof_Bubblegum wrote: »barrelroll1 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »Enjoy your lack of muscle mass.
Actually my face and waist are visibly slimmer so obviously I am losing fat. I can gain whatever muscle I lose with the fat after June. No problemo.
That's....not how it works. At all.
Well thats whats happening babe
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barrelroll1 wrote: »barrelroll1 wrote: »
It's amazing how against some people are towards educating themselves and stopping the lazy approach through life.
Its not as absurd as the mainstream would have you believe it is...
lol what "mainstream" are you even talking about0 -
barrelroll1 wrote: »First let me say I am in no way promoting starvation diets. And though this post may be deleted anyways, I want to state my opinion on the weight loss method.
My diet consists of 500-600 calories a day. I am Paleo so foods I eat almost exclusively consist of vegetables, fruits, nuts, sardines, and eggs. In doing this I have lost 20 pounds in 20 days. Before you bash this diet you should know this is only a temporary diet, which I will only do until I reach my ideal weight of 150 pounds. This goal is only 34 pounds away and will be attained by the end of June. And yes I know how you all feel about starvation diets. And I do agree they are unhealthy. But realize the fact that being obese or overweight is equally unhealthy. Also realize the real negative affects from starvation happens from long term and on going abuse of the diet, i.e. anorexia that carries on for years. Doing this diet for a mere 2 months will cause more good than harm as it will get me out of being overweight and will end as soon as I reach my healthy target weight.
The statement bolded above is in fact untrue. Depending on your level of extra weight, being overweight may in fact be - actually almost certainly is in your case (28 year old male who started at 205 lbs, but we don't know your height) - more healthy than starving yourself. The extra weight at your age will not cause that much harm unless you have other underlying health conditions. Starving yourself though means that you are losing muscle mass, and your body's functions - including metabolism, the heart and other critical functions may be severely affected and if you aren't lucky, irreparably damaged. Have you, at the least, discussed this with your physician?
Of course, no one is saying don't lose the weight. But lose it gradually, over time. THAT'S the healthy thing to do.
One does wonder what you plan to do once you "reach your goal." Go back to your old diet? You'll gain the weight back. Get on a better, higher-calorie, healthy diet? You'll have a far harder time getting used to it suddenly than you would gradually.0 -
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barrelroll1 wrote: »barrelroll1 wrote: »pollypocket1021 wrote: »Starvation in moderation.
Can someone link that "3 days of Medifast f***ed up my head" post?
I would never take processed garbage like medifast
No you're just starving yourself for 2 months. SMH
You can shake your head all you want but it doesn't change the fact that it works...
So when you have no energy to work out and your hair starts falling out from lack of nutrients, then what happens?
Actually I'm never hungry. The organic vegetables, fruits, nuts, and eggs are perfectly sustaining me nutritionally and energy wise. Havn't noticed any hair loss or other negative affects. Again this is a short term 2 month diet. If it carried on for a year or two then yes I would expect negative affects. But this is short term. Eliminating being over weight will cause more good than bad during this process.0 -
AllOutof_Bubblegum wrote: »barrelroll1 wrote: »AllOutof_Bubblegum wrote: »barrelroll1 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »Enjoy your lack of muscle mass.
Actually my face and waist are visibly slimmer so obviously I am losing fat. I can gain whatever muscle I lose with the fat after June. No problemo.
That's....not how it works. At all.
Well thats whats happening babe
Okay sheep.0 -
barrelroll1 wrote: »barrelroll1 wrote: »barrelroll1 wrote: »pollypocket1021 wrote: »Starvation in moderation.
Can someone link that "3 days of Medifast f***ed up my head" post?
I would never take processed garbage like medifast
No you're just starving yourself for 2 months. SMH
You can shake your head all you want but it doesn't change the fact that it works...
So when you have no energy to work out and your hair starts falling out from lack of nutrients, then what happens?
Actually I'm never hungry. The organic vegetables, fruits, nuts, and eggs are perfectly sustaining me nutritionally and energy wise. Havn't noticed any hair loss or other negative affects. Again this is a short term 2 month diet. If it carried on for a year or two then yes I would expect negative affects. But this is short term. Eliminating being over weight will cause more good than bad during this process.
the hair loss won't happen for another couple months...along with brittle nails and possibly bones and heart damage.0 -
Seems dangerous.
Like giving up heroine by doing cocaine0 -
barrelroll1 wrote: »barrelroll1 wrote: »barrelroll1 wrote: »pollypocket1021 wrote: »Starvation in moderation.
Can someone link that "3 days of Medifast f***ed up my head" post?
I would never take processed garbage like medifast
No you're just starving yourself for 2 months. SMH
You can shake your head all you want but it doesn't change the fact that it works...
So when you have no energy to work out and your hair starts falling out from lack of nutrients, then what happens?
Actually I'm never hungry. The organic vegetables, fruits, nuts, and eggs are perfectly sustaining me nutritionally and energy wise. Havn't noticed any hair loss or other negative affects. Again this is a short term 2 month diet. If it carried on for a year or two then yes I would expect negative affects. But this is short term. Eliminating being over weight will cause more good than bad during this process.
oh shiiiiiiiit
strong troll is strong0 -
Also, saying a completely disingenuous statement at the beginning of a thread saying you don't support starvation diets and then spending the whole next paragraph talking about how great it is, followed up by post after post about how much it is awesome and how it is working for you....is not really in line with the rules and guidelines of this forum.
I didn't say i don't support them I said I'm not trying to promote them....0 -
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You sound hangry, bro.0
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barrelroll1 wrote: »barrelroll1 wrote: »barrelroll1 wrote: »pollypocket1021 wrote: »Starvation in moderation.
Can someone link that "3 days of Medifast f***ed up my head" post?
I would never take processed garbage like medifast
No you're just starving yourself for 2 months. SMH
You can shake your head all you want but it doesn't change the fact that it works...
So when you have no energy to work out and your hair starts falling out from lack of nutrients, then what happens?
Actually I'm never hungry. The organic vegetables, fruits, nuts, and eggs are perfectly sustaining me nutritionally and energy wise. Havn't noticed any hair loss or other negative affects. Again this is a short term 2 month diet. If it carried on for a year or two then yes I would expect negative affects. But this is short term. Eliminating being over weight will cause more good than bad during this process.
I'm sure you'll succeed because no one has ever said what you said above. It's revolutionary. You must teach everyone how to succeed since you figured it all out.
Thanks for your sarcasm0 -
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barrelroll1 wrote: »
and then what do you plan on doing?0 -
barrelroll1 wrote: »barrelroll1 wrote: »barrelroll1 wrote: »pollypocket1021 wrote: »Starvation in moderation.
Can someone link that "3 days of Medifast f***ed up my head" post?
I would never take processed garbage like medifast
No you're just starving yourself for 2 months. SMH
You can shake your head all you want but it doesn't change the fact that it works...
So when you have no energy to work out and your hair starts falling out from lack of nutrients, then what happens?
Actually I'm never hungry. The organic vegetables, fruits, nuts, and eggs are perfectly sustaining me nutritionally and energy wise. Havn't noticed any hair loss or other negative affects. Again this is a short term 2 month diet. If it carried on for a year or two then yes I would expect negative affects. But this is short term. Eliminating being over weight will cause more good than bad during this process.
oh shiiiiiiiit
strong troll is strong
Oh okay. I'm glad the guy who accuses everyone of being a troll because he has no intelligent thoughts showed up!0 -
barrelroll1 wrote: »Also, saying a completely disingenuous statement at the beginning of a thread saying you don't support starvation diets and then spending the whole next paragraph talking about how great it is, followed up by post after post about how much it is awesome and how it is working for you....is not really in line with the rules and guidelines of this forum.
I didn't say i don't support them I said I'm not trying to promote them....
Go back and read all your posts. Sounds like promotion to me.
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barrelroll1 wrote: »
Its because you are suggesting something unhealthy, which even you acknowledge is extreme. Thats also against the terms of the sites usage so you deserve to be deleted. Do what you like for your own body, but my concern is for other impressionable people who may follow your poor example. The only time to do a VLCD diet is under medical supervision. You seem to have it all worked out for yourself, so go you. If you really understiid what you were doing then you wouldnt do it. Go you.
Ah I see now you really are trolling.0 -
barrelroll1 wrote: »barrelroll1 wrote: »barrelroll1 wrote: »pollypocket1021 wrote: »Starvation in moderation.
Can someone link that "3 days of Medifast f***ed up my head" post?
I would never take processed garbage like medifast
No you're just starving yourself for 2 months. SMH
You can shake your head all you want but it doesn't change the fact that it works...
So when you have no energy to work out and your hair starts falling out from lack of nutrients, then what happens?
Actually I'm never hungry. The organic vegetables, fruits, nuts, and eggs are perfectly sustaining me nutritionally and energy wise. Havn't noticed any hair loss or other negative affects. Again this is a short term 2 month diet. If it carried on for a year or two then yes I would expect negative affects. But this is short term. Eliminating being over weight will cause more good than bad during this process.
Oh, well in that case, it sounds like a great idea. Organic produce is so chemically different from all other produce it will create a magic force field around your muscles and bones and you should be good. Have fun.0 -
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barrelroll1 wrote: »Also, saying a completely disingenuous statement at the beginning of a thread saying you don't support starvation diets and then spending the whole next paragraph talking about how great it is, followed up by post after post about how much it is awesome and how it is working for you....is not really in line with the rules and guidelines of this forum.
I didn't say i don't support them I said I'm not trying to promote them....
But you are trying to promote them, by saying how great it is for you, and how it's allegedly working so well. That's what "promote" means.0 -
Um, you could eat a reasonable deficit on paleo and still lose weight......just sayin. I don't think you're approaching your goal in a reasonable nor logical way.0
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Okay OP you obviously posted to get a reaction, not permission to do what you've decided to do. Your reasons for needing to do that are yours and I'm sure they are real to you. May you get well.0
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The first problem with promoting a diet plan like this (indeed, all Very Low Calorie diets) is that a certain percentage of the population is now proven to be genetically susceptible to developing a restrictive eating disorder. You know what the #1 trigger for activating it is? Going into very low calorie mode / starvation periods. It only takes one experience with severe restriction of calories for the susceptible individual to have anorexia/bulimia activated. While you and 90+% of the population may be able to endure such a plan for the short-term and then go right back to eating normally, the other 5-10% could very well be activated into anorexia/bulimia or other eating disorder, and from there, there is no turning back for them.
And besides this, I concur with the large number of people on here who are advising against this due to the loss of a great deal of muscle mass. Your body (all bodies), quite simply, MUST get a certain minimum amount of complete protein (the full range of amino acids) and other macronutrients in order to repair and replace damaged muscle cells. If your body does not get a minimum amount of them to compensate for the degradation in not just muscle wear but also cell destruction and cell repair at all levels in the body, you body will be FORCED to catabolize muscle. This means muscle loss. The list of foods you are eating are very nutritious to be sure, you just need to be eating double or more of them at a minimum, even if trying to achieve weight loss. Please do not be fooled by arguments that purport to be superior to the "mainstream" - whether mainstream or not, is irrelevant. The science, the physiology of this, is not debatable. Please consult a nutrition book and read up on the science behind this, and do not be so quick to dismiss the advice of a medical professional.
But most of all, if you are going to go on a diet like this, then fine. But please, for the reason discussed in the first paragraph, do not promote it publicly. Lives depend on it.0
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