Treadmill with incline burns more calories?
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I found this calculator to be fairly helpful. It even gives references for the formulas it uses. Incline can significantly increase the calorie burn, but only if you don't hold on! This calculator agrees almost exactly with the treadmill I use, so much so that I think the treadmill may use the same equations.
http://www.shapesense.com/fitness-exercise/calculators/walking-calorie-burn-calculator.aspx0 -
I found this calculator to be fairly helpful. It even gives references for the formulas it uses. Incline can significantly increase the calorie burn, but only if you don't hold on! This calculator agrees almost exactly with the treadmill I use, so much so that I think the treadmill may use the same equations.
http://www.shapesense.com/fitness-exercise/calculators/walking-calorie-burn-calculator.aspx
That's the calculator I used
but a lot of people on said it's inaccurate =/ 0 -
mrsaniamanning wrote: »I found this calculator to be fairly helpful. It even gives references for the formulas it uses. Incline can significantly increase the calorie burn, but only if you don't hold on! This calculator agrees almost exactly with the treadmill I use, so much so that I think the treadmill may use the same equations.
http://www.shapesense.com/fitness-exercise/calculators/walking-calorie-burn-calculator.aspx
That's the calculator I used but a lot of people on said it's inaccurate =/
It explains:
"Note: This calculator provides gross calorie burn estimates. If you want to convert the estimate to net calorie burn, memorize the number and click here. If you want to learn more about net and gross calorie burn, read the Net Versus Gross Calorie Burn article."
Net is what most people will want.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »mrsaniamanning wrote: »I found this calculator to be fairly helpful. It even gives references for the formulas it uses. Incline can significantly increase the calorie burn, but only if you don't hold on! This calculator agrees almost exactly with the treadmill I use, so much so that I think the treadmill may use the same equations.
http://www.shapesense.com/fitness-exercise/calculators/walking-calorie-burn-calculator.aspx
That's the calculator I used but a lot of people on said it's inaccurate =/
It explains:
"Note: This calculator provides gross calorie burn estimates. If you want to convert the estimate to net calorie burn, memorize the number and click here. If you want to learn more about net and gross calorie burn, read the Net Versus Gross Calorie Burn article."
Net is what most people will want.
My net is about 470 according to that, is that accurate? Should I use 400 or 200?0 -
mrsaniamanning wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »mrsaniamanning wrote: »I found this calculator to be fairly helpful. It even gives references for the formulas it uses. Incline can significantly increase the calorie burn, but only if you don't hold on! This calculator agrees almost exactly with the treadmill I use, so much so that I think the treadmill may use the same equations.
http://www.shapesense.com/fitness-exercise/calculators/walking-calorie-burn-calculator.aspx
That's the calculator I used but a lot of people on said it's inaccurate =/
It explains:
"Note: This calculator provides gross calorie burn estimates. If you want to convert the estimate to net calorie burn, memorize the number and click here. If you want to learn more about net and gross calorie burn, read the Net Versus Gross Calorie Burn article."
Net is what most people will want.
My net is about 470 according to that, is that accurate? Should I use 400 or 200?
I got 445 with your numbers, but either way 400 makes sense, because of the incline. It sounds high to me because it's more than I would burn running, but that doesn't mean it's wrong (and 10% is a good incline!). Like segacs said, the best thing to do is be consistent and then check results and adjust if necessary.0 -
I hold the rail. I don't hold myself up or put any of my weight into holding on but I tend to get dizzy if I don't. Hasn't made a difference at all but I underestimate what online calculators tell me I burn by about 50 calories for each mile I walk, which is less than half of what my treadmill tells me. I use 60 cals for a 3mph 3% incline and 100 cals for a 3.7mph on an 8% incline. Seems to be working well for me. I'm moving my legs and breathing hard, regardless of holding the rails so it's burning something.
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daniwilford wrote: »As an old lady with balance issues, I sometimes hold on. If I need to take a drink, mop my brow, or turn my head to check the clock, I hold on. I try not to make a habit of it, but holding on is better than falling off.
This! I am also an old lady with balance issues and nerve damage in my left leg. I have to rest one hand on the rail to keep from falling off. Even at 0 incline and a slow speed I need to keep one hand on the rail.
I fell off once and it wasn't pretty. Ouch!0 -
I found this calculator to be fairly helpful. It even gives references for the formulas it uses. Incline can significantly increase the calorie burn, but only if you don't hold on! This calculator agrees almost exactly with the treadmill I use, so much so that I think the treadmill may use the same equations.
http://www.shapesense.com/fitness-exercise/calculators/walking-calorie-burn-calculator.aspx
That calculator is not far off with my numbers.
But OP it are all estimates.
If you take my numbers which are a bit higher is because of my heart condition. It works harder than normal
So i burn a bit more.
for others maybe slower etc etc
It is all about picking an average and work with it. Compare the data you get over months.
That is how i worked it out.
when you have a device that gives you high estimates and a calculator online a very low go towards the lower end.
Best is btw for steady cardio to work with a HRM ( that is what i do) Still an estimate but the most accurate you can get.
When you walk on a treadmill that have the options of putting in your data ( age, weight, gender) use it!
It all helps but keep in mind all estimates...all of it.
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daniwilford wrote: »As an old lady with balance issues, I sometimes hold on. If I need to take a drink, mop my brow, or turn my head to check the clock, I hold on. I try not to make a habit of it, but holding on is better than falling off.
These are all very valid reasons to hold on. My main issue is with the people who crank up the incline then hold on and lean back. It seems entirely counterproductive. I also hold on to take a drink or mop my brow.0 -
Yeah I don't like holdin on lol0
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I found this calculator to be fairly helpful. It even gives references for the formulas it uses. Incline can significantly increase the calorie burn, but only if you don't hold on! This calculator agrees almost exactly with the treadmill I use, so much so that I think the treadmill may use the same equations.
http://www.shapesense.com/fitness-exercise/calculators/walking-calorie-burn-calculator.aspx
I tried out the calculator on this shapesense site as well, and checked out the net calories one for my stats, but it has left me somewhat even more confused as the net calorie burn is higher (on shapesense) than the net calorie burn I get when I use the .30 x lbs x miles formula.
I guess like others have mentioned in this thread, these things are trial and error, and to just judge things on our progress throughout the weeks and months, and make adjustments if needed.
I was/am losing weight, so the overestimated burn I was giving myself didn't hinder things, but I'm glad I am coming across these formulas now rather than being stuck down the road not knowing why!0 -
I found this calculator to be fairly helpful. It even gives references for the formulas it uses. Incline can significantly increase the calorie burn, but only if you don't hold on! This calculator agrees almost exactly with the treadmill I use, so much so that I think the treadmill may use the same equations.
http://www.shapesense.com/fitness-exercise/calculators/walking-calorie-burn-calculator.aspx
I tried out the calculator on this shapesense site as well, and checked out the net calories one for my stats, but it has left me somewhat even more confused as the net calorie burn is higher (on shapesense) than the net calorie burn I get when I use the .30 x lbs x miles formula.
I guess like others have mentioned in this thread, these things are trial and error, and to just judge things on our progress throughout the weeks and months, and make adjustments if needed.
I was/am losing weight, so the overestimated burn I was giving myself didn't hinder things, but I'm glad I am coming across these formulas now rather than being stuck down the road not knowing why!
Where'd you get the .3xweightxmiles formula?0 -
mrsaniamanning wrote: »I found this calculator to be fairly helpful. It even gives references for the formulas it uses. Incline can significantly increase the calorie burn, but only if you don't hold on! This calculator agrees almost exactly with the treadmill I use, so much so that I think the treadmill may use the same equations.
http://www.shapesense.com/fitness-exercise/calculators/walking-calorie-burn-calculator.aspx
I tried out the calculator on this shapesense site as well, and checked out the net calories one for my stats, but it has left me somewhat even more confused as the net calorie burn is higher (on shapesense) than the net calorie burn I get when I use the .30 x lbs x miles formula.
I guess like others have mentioned in this thread, these things are trial and error, and to just judge things on our progress throughout the weeks and months, and make adjustments if needed.
I was/am losing weight, so the overestimated burn I was giving myself didn't hinder things, but I'm glad I am coming across these formulas now rather than being stuck down the road not knowing why!
Where'd you get the .3xweightxmiles formula?
The formula is from the Runners World site. They give the gross and net calories burned for both running and walking. A few people on MFP kindly shared the link, which I'm thankful for
Running Gross calorie burn: .75 x weight in lbs x distance in miles
Running Net calorie burn: .63 x weight in lbs x distance in miles
Walking Gross calorie burn: .53 x weight in lbs x distance in miles
Walking Net calorie burn: .30 x weight in lbs x distance in miles
http://www.runnersworld.com/weight-loss/how-many-calories-are-you-really-burning0 -
mrsaniamanning wrote: »I found this calculator to be fairly helpful. It even gives references for the formulas it uses. Incline can significantly increase the calorie burn, but only if you don't hold on! This calculator agrees almost exactly with the treadmill I use, so much so that I think the treadmill may use the same equations.
http://www.shapesense.com/fitness-exercise/calculators/walking-calorie-burn-calculator.aspx
I tried out the calculator on this shapesense site as well, and checked out the net calories one for my stats, but it has left me somewhat even more confused as the net calorie burn is higher (on shapesense) than the net calorie burn I get when I use the .30 x lbs x miles formula.
I guess like others have mentioned in this thread, these things are trial and error, and to just judge things on our progress throughout the weeks and months, and make adjustments if needed.
I was/am losing weight, so the overestimated burn I was giving myself didn't hinder things, but I'm glad I am coming across these formulas now rather than being stuck down the road not knowing why!
Where'd you get the .3xweightxmiles formula?
The formula is from the Runners World site. They give the gross and net calories burned for both running and walking. A few people on MFP kindly shared the link, which I'm thankful for
Running Gross calorie burn: .75 x weight in lbs x distance in miles
Running Net calorie burn: .63 x weight in lbs x distance in miles
Walking Gross calorie burn: .53 x weight in lbs x distance in miles
Walking Net calorie burn: .30 x weight in lbs x distance in miles
http://www.runnersworld.com/weight-loss/how-many-calories-are-you-really-burning
Ohhh nice what about incline? 0 -
daniwilford wrote: »I have been told that walking at some incline is actually easier on the body, than walking without. The burn is higher and if it gives less chance of injury it is a win, win for me. I burn about 90 calories per 20 minute mile at an incline of 3.
I keep my treadmill on a slight incline. It seems easier on me. Think it has helped me build endurance.
I sometimes hold on too because I need to get balanced when switching the settings. Grace is not middle name.
I wear a Fitbit Zip. Other exercise I enter 1 calorie for the burn. The estimated burn makes me nervous to eat any of the calories. The treadmill calorie burn number is almost double what Fitbit says. I completely ignore it other than to say I wish!0 -
mrsaniamanning wrote: »I found this calculator to be fairly helpful. It even gives references for the formulas it uses. Incline can significantly increase the calorie burn, but only if you don't hold on! This calculator agrees almost exactly with the treadmill I use, so much so that I think the treadmill may use the same equations.
http://www.shapesense.com/fitness-exercise/calculators/walking-calorie-burn-calculator.aspx
I tried out the calculator on this shapesense site as well, and checked out the net calories one for my stats, but it has left me somewhat even more confused as the net calorie burn is higher (on shapesense) than the net calorie burn I get when I use the .30 x lbs x miles formula.
I guess like others have mentioned in this thread, these things are trial and error, and to just judge things on our progress throughout the weeks and months, and make adjustments if needed.
I was/am losing weight, so the overestimated burn I was giving myself didn't hinder things, but I'm glad I am coming across these formulas now rather than being stuck down the road not knowing why!
Where'd you get the .3xweightxmiles formula?
The formula is from the Runners World site. They give the gross and net calories burned for both running and walking. A few people on MFP kindly shared the link, which I'm thankful for
Running Gross calorie burn: .75 x weight in lbs x distance in miles
Running Net calorie burn: .63 x weight in lbs x distance in miles
Walking Gross calorie burn: .53 x weight in lbs x distance in miles
Walking Net calorie burn: .30 x weight in lbs x distance in miles
http://www.runnersworld.com/weight-loss/how-many-calories-are-you-really-burning
I don't find that Runner's World formula to be accurate with my Fitbit, which I've found really reliable.
It's WAAAAAAAY under what Fitbit would give me.0 -
The Runner's World formula is actually pretty close to what my Fitbit gives me for running, I think. YMMV.0
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PeachyCarol wrote: »mrsaniamanning wrote: »I found this calculator to be fairly helpful. It even gives references for the formulas it uses. Incline can significantly increase the calorie burn, but only if you don't hold on! This calculator agrees almost exactly with the treadmill I use, so much so that I think the treadmill may use the same equations.
http://www.shapesense.com/fitness-exercise/calculators/walking-calorie-burn-calculator.aspx
I tried out the calculator on this shapesense site as well, and checked out the net calories one for my stats, but it has left me somewhat even more confused as the net calorie burn is higher (on shapesense) than the net calorie burn I get when I use the .30 x lbs x miles formula.
I guess like others have mentioned in this thread, these things are trial and error, and to just judge things on our progress throughout the weeks and months, and make adjustments if needed.
I was/am losing weight, so the overestimated burn I was giving myself didn't hinder things, but I'm glad I am coming across these formulas now rather than being stuck down the road not knowing why!
Where'd you get the .3xweightxmiles formula?
The formula is from the Runners World site. They give the gross and net calories burned for both running and walking. A few people on MFP kindly shared the link, which I'm thankful for
Running Gross calorie burn: .75 x weight in lbs x distance in miles
Running Net calorie burn: .63 x weight in lbs x distance in miles
Walking Gross calorie burn: .53 x weight in lbs x distance in miles
Walking Net calorie burn: .30 x weight in lbs x distance in miles
http://www.runnersworld.com/weight-loss/how-many-calories-are-you-really-burning
I don't find that Runner's World formula to be accurate with my Fitbit, which I've found really reliable.
It's WAAAAAAAY under what Fitbit would give me.
I suspect the shapesense one is better since it is based on actual height and weight and, especially, actual speed, which allows for a better calculation of BMR and ability to deduct that, and not just what seems to be a rough estimate.
The RW one is going to work better for shorter time periods with less variability, but that's where the adjustment is less necessary.0 -
mrsaniamanning wrote: »mrsaniamanning wrote: »I found this calculator to be fairly helpful. It even gives references for the formulas it uses. Incline can significantly increase the calorie burn, but only if you don't hold on! This calculator agrees almost exactly with the treadmill I use, so much so that I think the treadmill may use the same equations.
http://www.shapesense.com/fitness-exercise/calculators/walking-calorie-burn-calculator.aspx
I tried out the calculator on this shapesense site as well, and checked out the net calories one for my stats, but it has left me somewhat even more confused as the net calorie burn is higher (on shapesense) than the net calorie burn I get when I use the .30 x lbs x miles formula.
I guess like others have mentioned in this thread, these things are trial and error, and to just judge things on our progress throughout the weeks and months, and make adjustments if needed.
I was/am losing weight, so the overestimated burn I was giving myself didn't hinder things, but I'm glad I am coming across these formulas now rather than being stuck down the road not knowing why!
Where'd you get the .3xweightxmiles formula?
The formula is from the Runners World site. They give the gross and net calories burned for both running and walking. A few people on MFP kindly shared the link, which I'm thankful for
Running Gross calorie burn: .75 x weight in lbs x distance in miles
Running Net calorie burn: .63 x weight in lbs x distance in miles
Walking Gross calorie burn: .53 x weight in lbs x distance in miles
Walking Net calorie burn: .30 x weight in lbs x distance in miles
http://www.runnersworld.com/weight-loss/how-many-calories-are-you-really-burning
Ohhh nice what about incline?
Afraid not. I also walk at an incline. Perhaps there is a way to use shapesense's incline % calorie burn with the Runner's World formula, integrating them, lol
@PeachyCarol, The Runner's World formula is the lowest calorie burn I've came across, and I guess with all the overestimations that people are getting from wearable fitness devices and machines, it makes you gravitate to the lowest burn you can find, to "be safe"
If I use RW, I get 246 calories, net, for walking 6 miles
If I use SS, I get 364 calories, net, for walking 6 miles
118 calorie difference0 -
I think the RW one may be off, at least for some sizes of people, as when I calculate it out for walking it seems to overestimate what I'd burn in that hour anyway.
OP is pregnant, also, so she shouldn't be underestimating burn (this is something I discovered last night when I saw another thread).0 -
The best thing you can do is pick a method (let's say eat all of the calculated exercise calories back) and monitor your results over a meaningful time frame (eg 4 weeks). If its working towards your goal then great, if not then readjust.0
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lemurcat12 wrote: »I think the RW one may be off, at least for some sizes of people, as when I calculate it out for walking it seems to overestimate what I'd burn in that hour anyway.
OP is pregnant, also, so she shouldn't be underestimating burn (this is something I discovered last night when I saw another thread).
Ah. Yes, in this case, definitely don't want to underestimate.0 -
Yes you will burn more because it's like walking on a hill, I actually returned my treadmill though because I couldn't afford a decent model for my needs and find my elliptical burns a tad more because I don't run0
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gettinfabnfit wrote: »Yes you will burn more because it's like walking on a hill, I actually returned my treadmill though because I couldn't afford a decent model for my needs and find my elliptical burns a tad more because I don't run
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Calorie burn is based on workload intensity and weight. That's it. Height, gender, fitness level, etc., do not affect work rate enough to significantly alter the number.
Since walking at an incline increases the workload intensity, oxygen cost--and thus calorie burn--will increase. There is nothing exotic or mysterious about this effect. Any increase in the workload--increasing speed or increasing incline--will increase calorie burn.
Since many people cannot run for various reasons, incline walking is an excellent way to increase both fitness training and calorie burn. All things being equal, it is usually better to increase the incline rather than increasing speed: e.g. if one was walking 3.0/6%, it would be better to keep speed the same and increase incline to 8%-12%, rather than increase speed to 4.0 mph and keep incline the same.
If you do not hold on to the handrails, estimating calories is relatively straightforward and reasonably accurate. Most commercial treadmills will give you a reliable reading (if the TM number differs from an HRM, it is likely the HRM is the less accurate number).
In the case of the OPs workload, the exercise intensity is about 7.4 METs (gross). Multiply that by body wt in kgs (66kg) and you get about 480 kcal per hour, or roughly 415-420 net.
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mrsaniamanning wrote: »gettinfabnfit wrote: »Yes you will burn more because it's like walking on a hill, I actually returned my treadmill though because I couldn't afford a decent model for my needs and find my elliptical burns a tad more because I don't run
How do you calculate the elliptical?
You estimate. Since all elliptical movements are different, there is no standard equation that can estimate calories. The calculators on the machines accurately measure workload, but the equations they use to translate that effort into calories burned are not very accurate, so the number you get is not reliable.
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Wow thank you this is wonderfulCalorie burn is based on workload intensity and weight. That's it. Height, gender, fitness level, etc., do not affect work rate enough to significantly alter the number.
Since walking at an incline increases the workload intensity, oxygen cost--and thus calorie burn--will increase. There is nothing exotic or mysterious about this effect. Any increase in the workload--increasing speed or increasing incline--will increase calorie burn.
Since many people cannot run for various reasons, incline walking is an excellent way to increase both fitness training and calorie burn. All things being equal, it is usually better to increase the incline rather than increasing speed: e.g. if one was walking 3.0/6%, it would be better to keep speed the same and increase incline to 8%-12%, rather than increase speed to 4.0 mph and keep incline the same.
If you do not hold on to the handrails, estimating calories is relatively straightforward and reasonably accurate. Most commercial treadmills will give you a reliable reading (if the TM number differs from an HRM, it is likely the HRM is the less accurate number).
In the case of the OPs workload, the exercise intensity is about 7.4 METs (gross). Multiply that by body wt in kgs (66kg) and you get about 480 kcal per hour, or roughly 415-420 net.
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I found this calculator to be fairly helpful. It even gives references for the formulas it uses. Incline can significantly increase the calorie burn, but only if you don't hold on! This calculator agrees almost exactly with the treadmill I use, so much so that I think the treadmill may use the same equations.
http://www.shapesense.com/fitness-exercise/calculators/walking-calorie-burn-calculator.aspx
All walking/running estimators (including MFP) probably use the ASCM metabolic equations, as they are simple and reasonably accurate. So they should agree.0 -
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