Loose skin recovery
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^ that works gr8 for mild facial acne scarring too (which i have) in the hands of a reputable surgeonAsher_Ethan wrote: »I'm getting co2 laser resurfacing done to my stomach to get of some stretch marks and the doctor told me it will also tighten some of my loose skin.
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Yes, because somewhere in my response, I'm totally wrong. I DID mention it moisturized skin. I also mentioned that it's NOT going to reduce loose skin.ikeATtheGYM wrote: »I love seeing certified trainers, throw around their credentials, as if they know as much as a dermatologist(a Medical Doctor) or a scientist that makes lotion, and the DR or scientists have a longer list of even more impressive titles and educational accomplishments.
Lotion and cream works to moisturize skin!!!! That's why it's used so widely and even in many prescribed medical lotions that treat diseases.
It doesn't take a MD in dermatology to know that topical lotions and creams work on the surface.
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Hate to tell you this, but if someone's waist line was 42" and now is 33" or less and there's 9 inches around the waist line of loose skin still there after a couple of years, NO AMOUNT of "training" is going to fill that void or reduce it. Apparently, your understanding "transforming" your skin has more to do with texture, suppleness and possibly tanning, but all the lotion, training, protein, "clean diet", vitamin E, etc. doesn't do jack to reduce the amount of excess skin.ikeATtheGYM wrote: »Ok, people, some of you are missing my point.
First, skin is not a static organism!
You are constantly shedding layers of skin. And producing more skin cells, until you die!
Just like you can train your muscles, your heart, lungs, brain to the point that they are transformed...so to can your skin.
Lotion by itself will not do it...exactly like protein powder by itself does nothing! BUT, when you combine protein powder with good weight training and dieting, you will get some noticeable benefits....same is to be said for moisturizing. It helps the skin(a living transformable organism) to do its transformation smoother faster healthier.
But without proper diet and exercise it is going to be much less effective, if not all...
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At 31, your loose skin should recover nicely. When I lost 80 lbs, gained back 40 and lost it again at age 42, my loose skin was too old to recover. I went for the tummy tuck, which while painful, was worth the pain and my very faint scar for the flat stomach. And when I get to my goal weight, hopefully by the time I turn 47 in September, and maintain it for a year, I will have the loose skin on my arms and legs removed too. It's a personal preference how we deal with these things.
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My surgeon recommended massaging with vitamin e oil to help surgical scars heal. I bought a couple of very inexpensive bottles at the drugstore, then remembered my nurse mom once told me to buy vitamin e capsules, poke one end with a pin or needle and squeeze the contents out. I haven't tried vitamin e for anything other than scars, but it might help with dry skin. I've also seen some folks here recommend coconut oil.
I've lost almost 30 lbs so far - no loose skin on my tummy or legs, but my arms look like I could glide through the trees like a flying squirrel. I'm 67, so it must be genetics. We'll see how things are after the last 27 lbs.0 -
You might want to consider incorporating more gelatin in your diet. NOT Jello necessarily, but gelatin. They sell it as a flavorless powder. Add it to hot cereal or hot drinks. They also sell it in capsules. There are other foods too that have been shown to increase skin elasticity (cucumber and celery come to mind). Google it and get a list going and try to incorporate more of them into diet. Juicing is awesome for this kind of thing. Cram as many into a drink as possible and slug it back once a day. Call it your "skin juice".
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earth_echo wrote: »You might want to consider incorporating more gelatin in your diet. NOT Jello necessarily, but gelatin. They sell it as a flavorless powder. Add it to hot cereal or hot drinks. They also sell it in capsules. There are other foods too that have been shown to increase skin elasticity (cucumber and celery come to mind). Google it and get a list going and try to incorporate more of them into diet. Juicing is awesome for this kind of thing. Cram as many into a drink as possible and slug it back once a day. Call it your "skin juice".
Brb, off to drink some skin juice.
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Ok you guys.... I surrender!
I can't help but think of a movie quote...
"It puts the lotion on its skin."
But seriously, you guys are great, I love the passion!
As for my critics and opposition on this lotion fiasco...
One said "...but isn't an effective strategy the point?" So we humans have enough genetic variance to not know who will tighten up their skin or not, BUT not enough genetic variance for my suggestions to possibly be effective? Seems a bit hypocritical to claim genetics in one case but not the other and to do it with such definitive tone.....also, you fail recognize the psychological effects of actually have something positive to do, instead of doing nothing because it's just a genetic lottery anyway.bEither way it's a genetic crap shoot, but my way he's at least doing what are the known techniques for helping your genes do their thing.
Another said..."you can't go from 42 waist to 32 and not have loose skin" actually yes you can and there are tons of pictures all over this site and bodybuilding.com of people who have washboard abs with very little noticeable loose skin and they lost 100+...Yes, I know there are many that have loose skin, but, why assume that will be the group the OP is in.
Another said "I wasn't smug to the OP"...you are right, you were smug towards me and were soooo happy to flex your knowledge and discount what I had said, even though you totally missed the spirit and intent of my suggestions. Not everybody has the same way of dealing with things, For some people it has a huge psychological benefit to do something positive for a problem they are dealing with and for other they prefer to do only what is proven science, in their mind. The end result is more than the skin around his waist, it's how he thinks about it and deals with it that matters.
A final thought: We are all humans, imperfect humans. Very smart people can be wrong too, doctors make misdiagnosis, and scientists great hypothesis are disproven. The only constant is that everybody is imperfect and everybody can make mistakes and that the smartest people know they can learn more because they know enough to know that they don't know it all.
But apparently the above critics and posters are right and under no circumstances should anybody ever expect weight training, time and lotion(but, especially not lotion) to have any impact on any humans loose skin even if the same the genetic diversity that they claim is the major factor in their argument is actually the same basis for the opposing view.
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ikeATtheGYM wrote: »Ok, people, some of you are missing my point.
First, skin is not a static organism!
You are constantly shedding layers of skin. And producing more skin cells, until you die!
Just like you can train your muscles, your heart, lungs, brain to the point that they are transformed...so to can your skin.
Lotion by itself will not do it...exactly like protein powder by itself does nothing! BUT, when you combine protein powder with good weight training and dieting, you will get some noticeable benefits....same is to be said for moisturizing. It helps the skin(a living transformable organism) to do its transformation smoother faster healthier.
But without proper diet and exercise it is going to be much less effective, if not all...
Did you happen to maybe notice that the OP said he's dieted, been training hard, using lotion and STILL has loose skin?0 -
ikeATtheGYM wrote: »Ok you guys.... I surrender!
I can't help but think of a movie quote...
"It puts the lotion on its skin."
But seriously, you guys are great, I love the passion!
As for my critics and opposition on this lotion fiasco...
One said "...but isn't an effective strategy the point?" So we humans have enough genetic variance to not know who will tighten up their skin or not, BUT not enough genetic variance for my suggestions to possibly be effective? Seems a bit hypocritical to claim genetics in one case but not the other and to do it with such definitive tone.....also, you fail recognize the psychological effects of actually have something positive to do, instead of doing nothing because it's just a genetic lottery anyway.bEither way it's a genetic crap shoot, but my way he's at least doing what are the known techniques for helping your genes do their thing.
Another said..."you can't go from 42 waist to 32 and not have loose skin" actually yes you can and there are tons of pictures all over this site and bodybuilding.com of people who have washboard abs with very little noticeable loose skin and they lost 100+...Yes, I know there are many that have loose skin, but, why assume that will be the group the OP is in.
Another said "I wasn't smug to the OP"...you are right, you were smug towards me and were soooo happy to flex your knowledge and discount what I had said, even though you totally missed the spirit and intent of my suggestions. Not everybody has the same way of dealing with things, For some people it has a huge psychological benefit to do something positive for a problem they are dealing with and for other they prefer to do only what is proven science, in their mind. The end result is more than the skin around his waist, it's how he thinks about it and deals with it that matters.
A final thought: We are all humans, imperfect humans. Very smart people can be wrong too, doctors make misdiagnosis, and scientists great hypothesis are disproven. The only constant is that everybody is imperfect and everybody can make mistakes and that the smartest people know they can learn more because they know enough to know that they don't know it all.
But apparently the above critics and posters are right and under no circumstances should anybody ever expect weight training, time and lotion(but, especially not lotion) to have any impact on any humans loose skin even if the same the genetic diversity that they claim is the major factor in their argument is actually the same basis for the opposing view.
Speaking of bodybuilding.com
#1-Not everyone that loses a ton of weight has a lot of lose skin.
#2-to an extent, the skin will tighten up over time.
#3- sometimes the problem is big enough that surgery IS the only way to fix it.
#4- Age/genetics probably play a role. Younger people will likely have less problem.
#5- The rate of weight loss seems to have something to do with it.
#6- Lfiting can help reduce and in some cases eliminate it, but isn't a sure fix.
#7- Nutrition may play a role in it as well.
There are just too many moving parts in this issue to give you a yay or nay on it.
To say one or the other aggrivates or helps the loose skin issue more is broscience since we have no real science on it. What I posted above is just a summation of experiences of people I've seen on here and may or may not prove to be correct.0 -
What clinical research is there to support that this will "snap" loose skin back?earth_echo wrote: »You might want to consider incorporating more gelatin in your diet. NOT Jello necessarily, but gelatin. They sell it as a flavorless powder. Add it to hot cereal or hot drinks. They also sell it in capsules. There are other foods too that have been shown to increase skin elasticity (cucumber and celery come to mind). Google it and get a list going and try to incorporate more of them into diet. Juicing is awesome for this kind of thing. Cram as many into a drink as possible and slug it back once a day. Call it your "skin juice".
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What clinical research is there to support that this will "snap" loose skin back?earth_echo wrote: »You might want to consider incorporating more gelatin in your diet. NOT Jello necessarily, but gelatin. They sell it as a flavorless powder. Add it to hot cereal or hot drinks. They also sell it in capsules. There are other foods too that have been shown to increase skin elasticity (cucumber and celery come to mind). Google it and get a list going and try to incorporate more of them into diet. Juicing is awesome for this kind of thing. Cram as many into a drink as possible and slug it back once a day. Call it your "skin juice".
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Did you happen to maybe notice that the OP said he's dieted, been training hard, using lotion and STILL has loose skin?
Yes, I did, why do you ask?
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At 5'7" because of my genetics, I could drink milk, get stretched on a "rack" and even add heel lifts. All positive things to do, yet does nothing to change my height that was genetically bestowed upon me. My chances of dunking a basketball are limited.ikeATtheGYM wrote: »Ok you guys.... I surrender!
I can't help but think of a movie quote...
"It puts the lotion on its skin."
But seriously, you guys are great, I love the passion!
As for my critics and opposition on this lotion fiasco...
One said "...but isn't an effective strategy the point?" So we humans have enough genetic variance to not know who will tighten up their skin or not, BUT not enough genetic variance for my suggestions to possibly be effective? Seems a bit hypocritical to claim genetics in one case but not the other and to do it with such definitive tone.....also, you fail recognize the psychological effects of actually have something positive to do, instead of doing nothing because it's just a genetic lottery anyway.bEither way it's a genetic crap shoot, but my way he's at least doing what are the known techniques for helping your genes do their thing.
Reread the response. IF someone has 9 inches of loose skin from weight loss after 2 years, no training, protein, etc. is going to remedy that.Another said..."you can't go from 42 waist to 32 and not have loose skin" actually yes you can and there are tons of pictures all over this site and bodybuilding.com of people who have washboard abs with very little noticeable loose skin and they lost 100+...Yes, I know there are many that have loose skin, but, why assume that will be the group the OP is in.
Wait, you did refer to me being smug in your first post right? Sure there are ways to positively help people with how they feel about an issue, but giving them correct information isn't being negative. Of course unless you're just here to be just a cheerleader.Another said "I wasn't smug to the OP"...you are right, you were smug towards me and were soooo happy to flex your knowledge and discount what I had said, even though you totally missed the spirit and intent of my suggestions. Not everybody has the same way of dealing with things, For some people it has a huge psychological benefit to do something positive for a problem they are dealing with and for other they prefer to do only what is proven science, in their mind. The end result is more than the skin around his waist, it's how he thinks about it and deals with it that matters.
There's anecdotes and then there's evidence. Most people would like to know actual evidence.A final thought: We are all humans, imperfect humans. Very smart people can be wrong too, doctors make misdiagnosis, and scientists great hypothesis are disproven. The only constant is that everybody is imperfect and everybody can make mistakes and that the smartest people know they can learn more because they know enough to know that they don't know it all.
You're talking in circles. If 2 people of the same age, same ethnicity, same amount of loose skin, same time frame, same diet, same workout, etc. get different results in loose skin retraction, it's because one has better genetics than the other.But apparently the above critics and posters are right and under no circumstances should anybody ever expect weight training, time and lotion(but, especially not lotion) to have any impact on any humans loose skin even if the same the genetic diversity that they claim is the major factor in their argument is actually the same basis for the opposing view.
Point is the only thing one can do is wait it out. If it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, then you get to blame your parents since it's their genes you're carrying.
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ikeATtheGYM, the molecules in moisturizing lotions are too big to get into the dermis. And the dermis and deeper layer are where the action happens.
The molecules can sort of, temporarily, make the top of the epidermis look a little more lubricated. That's a cosmetic effect that goes away when you wash off the product. It is not a bad thing to do if your skin bothers you, and it might distract you from a loose look, but it doesn't help the skin actually change in a meaningful or lasting way.
That's why marketers of beauty products are legally obliged to hedge their promises. For face creams, they can say a product "improves the look of fine lines and wrinkles", but they can't say it fixes them. Because it actually can't. It can't get in there deep enough.0 -
I also had loose skin , after a mere 60 pound weight loss... My GP said id need surgery . I got surgery on my chest (loose skin + gynecomastia ) . The stomach slowly tightened but never got fully tight after 3 years of cutting and bulking0
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I also had loose skin , after a mere 60 pound weight loss... My GP said id need surgery . I got surgery on my chest (loose skin + gynecomastia ) . The stomach slowly tightened but never got fully tight after 3 years of cutting and bulking
Yes. This is what the "vets" are trying to say. People that have been there know how it is. Thanks for letting us know.0 -
Though I did not expect things to get so heated in regards to this questions I really appreciate all the input and will take the information given, research it and apply it if it is relevant. Thank you all!0
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It's not heated, it's just good information for those who actually want to know about loose skin issues from people who have experience and knowledge in the field.tacticalcraptical wrote: »Though I did not expect things to get so heated in regards to this questions I really appreciate all the input and will take the information given, research it and apply it if it is relevant. Thank you all!
Sometimes some take "truth" as negative context towards an issue. It's not incorrect or mean to give correct information for those who are actually seeking it.
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What clinical research is there to support that this will "snap" loose skin back?earth_echo wrote: »You might want to consider incorporating more gelatin in your diet. NOT Jello necessarily, but gelatin. They sell it as a flavorless powder. Add it to hot cereal or hot drinks. They also sell it in capsules. There are other foods too that have been shown to increase skin elasticity (cucumber and celery come to mind). Google it and get a list going and try to incorporate more of them into diet. Juicing is awesome for this kind of thing. Cram as many into a drink as possible and slug it back once a day. Call it your "skin juice".
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Hey, cucumber will even cure hangovers! http://www.stylecraze.com/articles/benefits-of-cucumber-for-skin-hair-and-health/
Oh, you were asking about RESEARCH. Well, then...0 -
Cucumbers scare cats. Truth.kshama2001 wrote: »
What clinical research is there to support that this will "snap" loose skin back?earth_echo wrote: »You might want to consider incorporating more gelatin in your diet. NOT Jello necessarily, but gelatin. They sell it as a flavorless powder. Add it to hot cereal or hot drinks. They also sell it in capsules. There are other foods too that have been shown to increase skin elasticity (cucumber and celery come to mind). Google it and get a list going and try to incorporate more of them into diet. Juicing is awesome for this kind of thing. Cram as many into a drink as possible and slug it back once a day. Call it your "skin juice".
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Hey, cucumber will even cure hangovers! http://www.stylecraze.com/articles/benefits-of-cucumber-for-skin-hair-and-health/
Oh, you were asking about RESEARCH. Well, then...
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